Ship of fools...

[Soriak]

Maybe it should have gone to the fundie thread (since the people ARE religious nutjobs), but I wouldn't want to turn that one into a political thread.

A british reporter went on a cruise with the National Review to hear what some hardcore conservatives talked about during those trips.

Ship of fools: Johann Hari sets sail with America's swashbuckling neocons - Independent Online Edition > Americas

I am standing waist-deep in the Pacific Ocean, both chilling and burning, indulging in the polite chit-chat beloved by vacationing Americans. A sweet elderly lady from Los Angeles is sitting on the rocks nearby, telling me dreamily about her son. "Is he your only child?" I ask. "Yes," she says. "Do you have a child back in England?" she asks. No, I say. Her face darkens. "You'd better start," she says. "The Muslims are breeding. Soon, they'll have the whole of Europe."

I adjust and stiffly greet the first man I see. He is a judge, with the craggy self-important charm that slowly consumes any judge. He is from Canada, he declares (a little more apologetically), and is the founding president of "Canadians Against Suicide Bombing". Would there be many members of "Canadians for Suicide Bombing?" I ask. Dismayed, he suggests that yes, there would.
[...]
As I turn my back on the ship for the last time, the Judge I met on my first night places his arm affectionately on my shoulder. "We have written off Britain to the Muslims," he says. "Come to America."

Some of the comments are pretty crazy, especially their debates.

No, not all conservatives are like that - but let's be shocked over those who are.

[Kugbok_Fennin]

The media, and government officials are doing an excellent job of getting everyone to be afraid of Muslims.

Hell, I often find myself checking in trash dumpsters and around corners for the ever present suicide Muslim looking to jump out and blow me up! (sarcasm)

"Terrorism is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death."
- Adolf Hitler

"The easiest way to gain control of a population is to carry out acts of terror. [The public] will clamor for such laws if their personal security is threatened".
- Josef Stalin

"Our government has kept us in a perpetual state of fear kept us in a continuous stampede of patriotic fervor with the cry of grave national emergency. Always there has been some terrible evil at home or some monstrous foreign power that was going to gobble us up if we did not blindly rally behind it."
- General Douglas Macarthur, 1957

[dak]

I know it is my duty as a good citizen to keep tabs on the religiously fervored fundamentalist insanity plaguing this planet but I just can't do it anymore. It kills my soul.

Time to start behaving like a fundamentalist and just ignore reality. Let them smash the world under their bullshit and call it the rapture.

[Haradek Shadowstalker]

Kugbok_Fennin wrote
"The media, and government officials are doing an excellent job of getting everyone to be afraid of Muslims"

Since virtually all suicide bombings are Muslim...since according to there laws its okay to mutilate women's genitalia...its ok to riot and commit murder if someone draws a cartoon about a holy figure...since muslims believe that it is perfectly ok to murder non-believers...

Please tell me why we shouldnt be afraid of muslims?

[Vatoreus]

Oh Christ...here they come.

[dak]

Since virtually all suicide bombings are Muslim...since according to there laws its okay to mutilate women's genitalia...its ok to riot and commit murder if someone draws a cartoon about a holy figure...since muslims believe that it is perfectly ok to murder non-believers...

Please tell me why we shouldnt be afraid of muslims?

Because neocons both fundie and phony-fundie are the reason why the Muslims feel the need to defend themselves, don't allow women to chose what she wants to do with her body (petty but seeing how you appear to be a fundie probably you care) and think it's ok to fabricate wars and send the sons/daughters of good, common Americans to fight and die so a handful of people can turn the whole planet into one big pyramid scheme.

If you ask me you shouldn't be afraid of Muslims for two reasons...
1. The "Muslims" you are referring to are a tiny small sect of localized former Zionist/Soviet Union fighters in a religion with a population of over 1.4 billion people.

2. Even the radical ones are doing you a favor in the long run because the true ancient evil are the ones drumming up the "epic battle between light and dark".

[Kugbok_Fennin]

Originally Posted by Haradek Shadowstalker

Kugbok_Fennin wrote
"The media, and government officials are doing an excellent job of getting everyone to be afraid of Muslims"

Since virtually all suicide bombings are Muslim...since according to there laws its okay to mutilate women's genitalia...its ok to riot and commit murder if someone draws a cartoon about a holy figure...since muslims believe that it is perfectly ok to murder non-believers...

Please tell me why we shouldnt be afraid of muslims?

Are you afraid of Gang members, are you afraid of spiders, are you afraid hillbillies? What about Communists?, because in the 50's, 60's and 70's thats who we were told to be afraid of. Its all relative.

Are you honestly worried that some suicide bomber is going to come to your apartment and blow himself up? I mean seriously! Let's be real for a moment and stop trying to act as if you are somehow more educated on the subject. If that is truly the case, it's an absolute amazement that you are able to even leave your residence each day.

[Deathwing]

We were told to be scared of hillbillies?

[dak]

We were told to be scared of hillbillies?

Texas chainsaw massacre type movies, racism and meth stories on the news usually.

They usually leave the hillbillies alone because they are partial to fundie in most cases.

[Haradek Shadowstalker]

Originally Posted by Kugbok_Fennin

Are you afraid of Gang members, are you afraid of spiders, are you afraid hillbillies? What about Communists?, because in the 50's, 60's and 70's thats who we were told to be afraid of. Its all relative.

Are you honestly worried that some suicide bomber is going to come to your apartment and blow himself up? I mean seriously! Let's be real for a moment and stop trying to act as if you are somehow more educated on the subject. If that is truly the case, it's an absolute amazement that you are able to even leave your residence each day.

As someone who lives in socal, do you wander around in compton? if not does that make you afraid of gangbangers? the rest makes no sence...

I don't worry about my apartment being a target...my country ? yes very much so..since we have been attacked already. It will happen again. As for my education of the matter? I think I am as up on the subject as just about anyone (anyone who has spent time over there)

Can you honestly say that there is no threat from the muslim world? The majority of bombings going on around the world for the last 40 years can be layed at the feet of radical muslims. Ask the Isralies about "muslim love",they have been fighting off invasions since they became a country in 1947.

you just sound like such a conservative hater, that anyone a conservative fights against must be a good thing. Thats the only way you cannot see a threat.

~H

[Haradek Shadowstalker]

Originally Posted by dak

Texas chainsaw massacre type movies, racism and meth stories on the news usually.

They usually leave the hillbillies alone because they are partial to fundie in most cases.

ok I give ...whats a fundie?

~H

[Nakilos]

Can you honestly say that there is no threat from the muslim world? The majority of bombings going on around the world for the last 40 years can be layed at the feet of radical muslims. Ask the Isralies about "muslim love",they have been fighting off invasions since they became a country in 1947.

Read your own post.

The problem is the fear mongering is what is lumping muslims in with the batshit insane fucks. I do realize reading the fundie thread, while its funny and a bit scary, those people don't represent EVERY Catholic out there - in fact, they embarrass most of them.

Much as the batshit insane muslims embarrass the run of the mill muslims who just want the freedom to believe as they believe. I know its probably hard to believe as a white american, but they have the same goals as you or I do. They just want to go to work, pay their taxes, raise their kids, you know, just live a normal fucking life.

You don't have to be a muslim to believe by strapping a bomb to your chest 72 virgins will fuck you when you die. You have to be an insane person to do that.

[Vatoreus]

Originally Posted by Haradek Shadowstalker

ok I give ...whats a fundie?

~H

You.

Fundamentalist.

Retard in a lot of cases.

Also, let's not get started on Israel and it's supposed "right" to exist. That's one HUGE political shit heap.

[Ahnkosis]

Originally Posted by Haradek Shadowstalker

ok I give ...whats a fundie?

~H

A Fanatic.

[Haradek Shadowstalker]

Originally Posted by Nakilos

Read your own post.

The problem is the fear mongering is what is lumping muslims in with the batshit insane fucks. I do realize reading the fundie thread, while its funny and a bit scary, those people don't represent EVERY Catholic out there - in fact, they embarrass most of them.

Much as the batshit insane muslims embarrass the run of the mill muslims who just want the freedom to believe as they believe. I know its probably hard to believe as a white american, but they have the same goals as you or I do. They just want to go to work, pay their taxes, raise their kids, you know, just live a normal fucking life.

You don't have to be a muslim to believe by strapping a bomb to your chest 72 virgins will fuck you when you die. You have to be an insane person to do that.

Since the offer of the virgins is right in there freakin' holy book...find me the spot in any other holy book or bible that says if you die while killing an unbeliever you get 72 virgins, then I will agree that muslims are not a threat to peace and security around the world. Ask someone from the Philipines...they have been fighting muslim terrorists since 1920's.