Ship of fools...

[Soriak]

Originally Posted by Juum

There's nothing quite like being a victim of racial abuse in your own country.

I'm sure that's a story blacks, muslims and other ethnicities are very familiar with... though I absolutely agree seeing some foreigners (ie people without Swiss citizenship - about 20% of the population) literally chanting "Fuck Switzerland" (all while their parents live off social services and many never bother to learn any one of our 4 national languages - or English) pisses me off as well.

[Soriak]

Originally Posted by Aldarion_Shard

Newsflash. When Humanitarian organization X in Darfur gets a check from its donors, puts it in the bank, and then spends it, is it spending DOLLARS or "percentage of GDP points"?

I imagine the humanitarian organization is going to spend Sudanese Pounds, but I get your point. Nonetheless, when the argument is about the "generosity" of a country's foreign aid budget, then percentage of GDP is the only valid comparison.

[Eomer]

Originally Posted by Juum

I honestly don't care about the 3% of whites worldwide stat, its just when your own country goes from white to non-white in the space of 60 years (whites are already a minority in London and other cities) I tend to get pissed off. There's nothing quite like being a victim of racial abuse in your own country.

Oh, so the demographic reversal automatically means that the new majority brownies are going to treat the whites like shit? How exactly does that follow? Do you have any statistical evidence (hell, even anecdotal) that suddenly whites in England are being discriminated against?

You want whites as a minority? Try Vancouver or Toronto, statistically amongst the most multicultural cities on the planet. And repeatedly listed as amongst the best to live in. It isn't automatically a bad thing.

Unless of course you hold negative prejudices and stereotypes about those damn monkeys. But in that case, you're the one who's the problem, not them.

[Ailu]

Originally Posted by Eomer

Oh, so the demographic reversal automatically means that the new majority brownies are going to treat the whites like shit? How exactly does that follow? Do you have any statistical evidence (hell, even anecdotal) that suddenly whites in England are being discriminated against?

You want whites as a minority? Try Vancouver or Toronto, statistically amongst the most multicultural cities on the planet. And repeatedly listed as amongst the best to live in. It isn't automatically a bad thing.

Unless of course you hold negative prejudices and stereotypes about those damn monkeys. But in that case, you're the one who's the problem, not them.

I currently live in a city where close to 40% are immigrants from Muslim countries. 25 years ago there were no Muslims pretty much. I wish I could say it's a nice city, but it's not. Murder, rape and unprovoked violence have reached heights far above normal European crime rates. In the last 25 years rapes have increased by 500%, assault with several hundred percent and robberies also with several hundred percent. A survey carried out among 15-17 y/o in a predominantly Muslim suburb showed that in the last year 17% of the boys had forced someone to have sex, 31% had hurt someone so badly that the victim required medical care, and 24% had committed burglary or broken into a car.

I've never been to Vancouver or Toronto, but I don't doubt they are great cities to live in. As far as our situation goes, the more immigrants we allow into the country the faster crimes go up. The popular thing among the political correct majority is to say it's we who have failed to integrate these immigrants. After all, they are committing crimes in our country which by no stretch of the imagination should mean that there is something wrong with our society.

And this is probably correct to some degree, but so what? Admitting it doesn't make the problems disappear, does it?

Personally I think there is more to it and very much believe a big part of the problems can be explained by religion, in this case Islam and Muslim culture. You don't go out and rape women because your new country doesn't take enough good care of you. You simply don't. There is something deeper and has to do with your views on women. It's just naive to think differently.

[Juum]

Originally Posted by Eomer

Oh, so the demographic reversal automatically means that the new majority brownies are going to treat the whites like shit? How exactly does that follow? Do you have any statistical evidence (hell, even anecdotal) that suddenly whites in England are being discriminated against?

You want whites as a minority? Try Vancouver or Toronto, statistically amongst the most multicultural cities on the planet. And repeatedly listed as amongst the best to live in. It isn't automatically a bad thing.

Unless of course you hold negative prejudices and stereotypes about those damn monkeys. But in that case, you're the one who's the problem, not them.

Here's an extreme example of the Asian population's attitude towards white people: BBC NEWS | Scotland | Glasgow and West | Trio jailed for Kriss race murder . Thankfully there aren't that many racist murders in the UK, but believe me, there's plenty of Muslims in the UK who regard white people as "dirty kuffars", and that attitude is obvious if you ever spend any amount of time in a Muslim city like Bradford, Luton or parts of London.

Here's an example of the state discriminating against white people: BBC NEWS | UK | Ethnic recruits get helping hand . I doubt there are many countries in the world that are effectively letting foreigners join the police ahead of its own citizens.

I've been to Vancouver, you're right its a nice place, though I only really visited the centre. I challenge you to visit a Muslim city in the UK and say the same thing.

[Havelock]

Originally Posted by kasey

It kinda showed me why i should like the way it is in germany, money and politics and big phat red line to seperate them. Got alot of disadvantages that i dislike, but at least the country is under control of politicians and not manager.

Really?

[Khorum]

Originally Posted by Eomer

Oh, so the demographic reversal automatically means that the new majority brownies are going to treat the whites like shit? How exactly does that follow? Do you have any statistical evidence (hell, even anecdotal)

Are you actually looking for an example or was that just rhetorical? Cuz I've got examples.

[Cybsled]

Personally I think there is more to it and very much believe a big part of the problems can be explained by religion, in this case Islam and Muslim culture. You don't go out and rape women because your new country doesn't take enough good care of you. You simply don't. There is something deeper and has to do with your views on women. It's just naive to think differently.

I can almost guarantee it that it has to do more with how affluent they are and how educated they are than what religion they are. It can also help if they feel like they can succeed.

This is why "The American Dream" is such a powerful tool for immigrants. Even if they never reach it, for many just the dream can influence their behaviors.

[Havelock]

Originally Posted by Cybsled

I can almost guarantee it that it has to do more with how affluent they are and how educated they are than what religion they are. It can also help if they feel like they can succeed.

Doesn't affluence and education lose a lot of explanatory power in light of the recent terrorism attempts in the U.K.?

[Soriak]

Terrorism aside, the comparison of statistics about violent crimes between the US and Europe is interesting.

The main perpetrators of violent crimes in Switzerland are immigrants from the balkans (something like 70%), in the US the last murder statistic (true only murder and not all violent crimes) I saw had a similar number for one group - though it was blacks and not immigrants.

So, I don't think it has anything to do with religion or being new/unfamiliar with a country... the factor that the two groups have in common is that they're on average much poorer and less educated.

[Ailu]

Originally Posted by Cybsled

I can almost guarantee it that it has to do more with how affluent they are and how educated they are than what religion they are. It can also help if they feel like they can succeed.

I agree of course. I didn't bring it up because it's the obvious explanation to why immigrants or anyone else for that matter commit crimes. If you have an easy time to adapt you'll be less likely to get into problems and education will give you that. You'll not go out and commit crimes just because you are a Muslim. But when it comes to rape I do believe the Muslim views on western women plays a fairly big part of the problem.

Close to 75% of those in jail for rape are from Muslim countries. Rapes where the perpetrator is unknown to the victim or gang rape is basically unheard of where Muslims aren't involved (Muslim women are never victims). This simply can't be just a case of education, especially here where education is free and poor people are on generous welfare, in contrast to the US where poor people really are poor and a good education requires cash, brains or a talent for sports. They often consider our women whores who have themselves to blame for dressing the way they do.

But yeah, when it comes to general integration education is a big factor. Like Eomer mentioned above, Canada is doing pretty okay integrating immigrants, but they are way more restrictive and don't accept Iraqi goat famers or Somalian clansmen like we do. Somalians who have an 86% unemployment rate by the way, while non-Muslim Africans do awesome in comparison. In Canada the three major immigrant groups come from non-Islamic countries (Note: Not sure how many Indian Muslims come to Canada.)

At the end of the day though what matters is that these people from Muslim states commit crimes and we can speculate about the whys all day long. My cousin got brutally attacked, beaten and raped when she was 14 by one of these people who allegedly come here to enrich our culture. And as if that wasn't enough, she and her family had to move to another city because Mohammad's friends were threatening them for putting poor Mohammad in jail. Had he not been in this country she wouldn't have lost pretty much all of her teenage years. Should we really sacrifice ourselves and our kids like this just to show solidarity or maybe face the fact that integration of Muslims is a pipe dream if we accept too many in a short period of time?

Like Sam Harris asks, why aren't Tibetan Buddhists blowing themselves up trying to kill the Chinese? Islam is a violent religion and just because the majority of Muslims are good guys doesn't mean there is nothing wrong with Islam. The same thing could be said about Christianity.

[Lejina Bloodbath]

Yeah, that is definitly something working for us.

When you compare with the muslim invasion of the EU and the hispanics in the US, the average immigrant coming to Canada is significantly more educated. This directly translate in them having less odds to turn to crime to make a living.
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The whole muslim culture of the immigrants coming from the middle east shitholes may be for something, but look at the invasion in the south of the US. Those folks sure aren't muslims, but nonetheless the cities where they go steadily turn into shitholes. It's something heavily driven by poverty.

[Havelock]

Originally Posted by Lejina Bloodbath

The whole muslim culture of the immigrants coming from the middle east shitholes may be for something, but look at the invasion in the south of the US. Those folks sure aren't muslims, but nonetheless the cities where they go steadily turn into shitholes. It's something heavily driven by poverty.

Weren't those cities already shitholes?

[SavantusMaximus]

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