Ship of fools...

[dak]

Since the offer of the virgins is right in there freakin' holy book...find me the spot in any other holy book or bible that says if you die while killing an unbeliever you get 72 virgins, then I will agree that muslims are not a threat to peace and security around the world. Ask someone from the Philipines...they have been fighting muslim terrorists since 1920's.

Find me where it explicitly says that in the Quran. You can't.

Even if it was in the Quran there is plenty of sicker shit in the bible.

If all Christians were fundamentalist, rapture squatters you would be very well acquainted with how much horrible shit the bible says. A Christian fundamentalist world analogs of everything you are told to hate about the Muslim world. If the idea of fundamentalist Muslims taking over this country and controlling everything scares the living shit out of you then you wouldn't not enjoy fundamentalist Christian overlords either. The variance between the two would be subtle at best.

Good thing the majority of Christians, much like the majority of Muslims are not fundamentalists and view their religious texts are moral guidence and not explicit instruction.

Maybe pull your head out of your ass and get to know some Muslims instead of basing your reality off what you read on Fox news.

[Gahid]

Originally Posted by Haradek Shadowstalker

I don't worry about my apartment being a target...my country ? yes very much so..since we have been attacked already. It will happen again. As for my education of the matter? I think I am as up on the subject as just about anyone (anyone who has spent time over there)

Can you honestly say that there is no threat from the muslim world? The majority of bombings going on around the world for the last 40 years can be layed at the feet of radical muslims. Ask the Isralies about "muslim love",they have been fighting off invasions since they became a country in 1947.

The majority of bombings going on around the world for the last 40 years can be "layed at the feet" of your country.

Oh. Wait. Those were "justified" bombs. MY MISTAKE CONTINUE SIR!!!1

To quote the great Walt Kelly, "I have seen the enemy and he is me"

[Kugbok_Fennin]

Originally Posted by Haradek Shadowstalker

As someone who lives in socal, do you wander around in compton? if not does that make you afraid of gangbangers? the rest makes no sence...

I don't worry about my apartment being a target...my country ? yes very much so..since we have been attacked already. It will happen again. As for my education of the matter? I think I am as up on the subject as just about anyone (anyone who has spent time over there)

Can you honestly say that there is no threat from the muslim world? The majority of bombings going on around the world for the last 40 years can be layed at the feet of radical muslims. Ask the Isralies about "muslim love",they have been fighting off invasions since they became a country in 1947.

you just sound like such a conservative hater, that anyone a conservative fights against must be a good thing. Thats the only way you cannot see a threat.

~H

First off, I do not fear any man. Especially Gang Bangers. In my experience they are mostly pussies with guns. Funny you ask, my father has owned a company based in South Central LA for the last 16 years now. I would work for him on breaks and during the summer. One of those times was during the LA riots. I regularly went on food runs during my time there, and could probably take up a whole thread just sharing stories. Neither here nor there.

As for Muslims being responsible for most of the bombings over the last 40 years. Well I think you need to brush up on your history with CIA and FBI involvement with Radical Muslims over the last 40 years. Hell last 60 years.

Mossadeq in 55, Osama in the 80's, the first WTC bombings. The list goes on and on.

Is there a threat from the Muslim world? At best a fabricated one. In which one side believes they are being attacked and the other side believing they are only retaliating. Again, I go back to CIA involvement in Radical Islam since the overthrow of Mossadeq and subsequent dealings with the Mujahadeen during the 80's.

As for my political affiliation. Not that it matters but I am a true conservative. Against big government, against government interfering in private affairs, against un-checked spending, I adhere to a non-interventionist foreign policy, pretty much the opposite of today's "conservative" A.K.A the "Neocons".

[Vatoreus]

I like to call them Imperialists.

[Ronne]

This thread may be going places.

[Soriak]

Haradek: The problem in your argument is that you equate "muslims" with "radical muslims" - despite the fact that the latter is a tiny minority of over 1 billion people. They're as representative of Islam as the people on "Bible Camp" are of Christianity.

As for the dislike of Israel: even Fox News should be reporting on the ongoing conduct of Israel's military. Even if you think what they're doing is justified defense, you can't honestly be surprised that people aren't overcome with joy when they come home to a bombed house. Maybe a missile missed the target, maybe someone mistakenly identified it as the home of a terrorist - doesn't matter to the person who lost his home. Not like he's going to get money to rebuild.

[Nakilos]

Just for Haradek

Houri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hey, anyone ever hear of scripture being misinterpreted in the Bible? I wonder if the same thing happens with the Qur'an.....

[Vader]

Hey, most of the suicide bombers were human!

We must live in terror of humans, for they can suicide bomb, unlike dogs and cats.

[Reggie]

Mmm mmm. I just love them fun loving Muslims. Those guys always telling jokes, cracking it up, and in general bringing life to any room they enter. You all know the stereotype... right?

Having said that, all organized religions are a joke. They wrote those fucking books when they thought the world was flat.

In the year 2007 I do not need to derive my moral compass and daily lifestyle from religion, which filled the gap that was there... when it was there.

I will use cooking pork as the basis for any further argument against the idiocy that is 1400 AD technology.

[softwillow]

Originally Posted by Haradek Shadowstalker

Since virtually all suicide bombings are Muslim...since according to there laws its okay to mutilate women's genitalia

Are you one of the 90%+ of the male population in Boston, MA that is circurmsized?

[Gahid]

What?! How dare you compare us to them!

[Wrathcaster]

To the person who referenced that a person must be crazy to be willing to strap a bomb on himself and push the button for his cause, I'd prefer to disagree. There's never been any real, substantial psychological profile that all terrorists fit and considering their acts to be mere psychotic reactions I think goes a bit far. I think most terrorists could be seen as a "rational-actor" in their motives and plans. There's a difference between the looney wandering the street and your average terrorist, and espousing extreme religious ideologies does not necessarily entail insanity as well. Perhaps ignorance, perhaps stubbornness, perhaps backwardness, but I'd rule total irrationality out of the picture.

As this thread may have shown, there are quite a few misconceptions about the nature of terrorism and its relationship to Islam and psychology. Stereotypes dominate discussion in the realm of terrorism and security, but a simple fact is there is no single profile of a terrorist, no common attribute shared by all. Anyone of any ideology may become one, and have numerous times in the past (especially in America). Regardless of the ideological similarities members of certain terrorist groups may share, terrorism is not tied to a belief system in particular but is rather a means to an ends. Blaming Islam, Christianity, or even insanity for its existence is simply foolish and distracting.

[CabbitCabbit]

I offer the hope that some day when some of us ascend out of the mud and filth we live in, feasting off each other like starving pigs, everyone of these illiterate, bozo fucks will be scratching their over-developed brows with their huge hairy hands, pounding their chests like the apes they are, wondering why all of them got invited to the same party on a deserted island with a giant target sign painted on the dirt.

[Nakilos]

Yea I won't disagree, they can't be narrowly defined. Maybe insane isn't the correct word, there are lots of reasons why you might strap a bomb to your chest, but I wouldn't consider it a rational decision. You can't even qualify the terrorists as just uneducated, poor people who are just that subject to manipulation of people trying to further their agenda. I mean recently the suspects in that potential London bombing were mostly all doctors, no real lack of education there.

However I don't think we accomplish anything by pigeon holing groups of people as being terrorists, and the odds that MOST people will die to a terrorist attack in the U.S. (let alone be injured by one) are probably astronomically low. Not that it isn't a threat worth concerning ourselves with, but the reality is the very fact we can sit around and argue about this on a video game forum shows we will *probably* be ok.

[fucker]

Originally Posted by Haradek Shadowstalker

Since the offer of the virgins is right in there freakin' holy book...find me the spot in any other holy book or bible that says if you die while killing an unbeliever you get 72 virgins, then I will agree that muslims are not a threat to peace and security around the world. Ask someone from the Philipines...they have been fighting muslim terrorists since 1920's.

actually, it says you are rewarded if you die defending the word of god

IE it means you die fighting an aggressive enemy, not blowing random ppl just because they dont believe in your religion. Thats an extremization of their own text, something lot of christians like to do too (check the fundie thread)