PC strikes back against the Mac?

[Taranatar]

Personally, I've always preferred windows over OSX.

And no, the first computer I used was osX, from what I remember, there was always some ordeal involved with opening and closing certain programs and it being extremely fucking difficult to close some of the panes.

Windows? Huge. Fucking. X.

I figured that out the first time I used '95 back in mid '96.

I've given osX several tries since then, but the desktop always seems to end up cluttered, or even with everything minimized or whatever the equivalent is; offering too much information.

Also, what's the difference between the Vista Enterprise's and Ultimate's desktop interface? I'm thinking about getting Ultimate through the school since it was just released but if the difference isn't worth it, I'll just put it on my newer comp.

[Ennya Dragonslayer]

Originally Posted by Araysar

I think your computer using license expired some time ago.

You might have to retake the test.

I've worked with computer components from the inside of a class 100 clean room on a wet bench to marketing products I helped to architect. I have probably been writing programs for computers, DOSs, OSs, and interperters longer then many people who use these forums have been alive. I wrote that test and never have to take it again. (Even if I can't type anymore.)

I might fail it, but I get grandfathered in anyhow.

Millie:
The problem is for most of the life of the macintosh (1984 to MacOS X) you can't talk about the MacOS alone. You have to connect OS and Machine, while the exact opposite is true for PCs. Apple controls everything including your experience using the machine. MS only controls windows and not even how well it works with one set of hardware. Used to be a PC was a CPU (Intel or AMD, or Via, or ..) and a Motherboard (Intel, AMD, VIA, NVidia, ATI, ...) chipsets, RAM (what speed was that again? Error correction? what slot type? how many bits? ... ) and then it could be ISA, EISA, PCI, AGP, MicroPC, ... cards or various combinations of those, Now you need the cards, Was that SCSI1,2,3 or IDE or ATA, or SATA, or... Wait, do you want your HD right on a card in an EISA slot, or was that PCI? this has gotten much better as the industry has gone to more unified formats PCIe (8 or 16?), USB, CPUs all fit the same sockets... and ram all just works... wait, nevermind... but it really is better! So the solution for those who dont want to fuck with all that is to buy a DELL, or a compaq or other company, but when it's time to upgrade you're back in that what works with what mode.

Apple makes a computer solution, the closest to that is a Dell and as I type this on the 4th PC I've 'needed' while my wife's macintosh keeps running strong I'm going to say the apple solution is substantially better. The whole point is that Apple has retained 100% control of all aspects of their computers, pheripheral licensing, and the OS. As a result shit just works. In fact often times shit w/o apples logo just works too.

True story: I had a macintosh (OS7) and windows laptop at the same time in college each with its own set of tasks. On problem with the wondows machine was a lack of an Ethernet port so I went out and bought an integrated Ethernet & MODEM card for the PCMCIA slot on the PC. It came with drivers which I installed then went online and got the newest ones (using the mac of course), dumped it to a 3.5 (remember those?) on the mac and installed them on the windows machine. rebooted, and put in the card. Nothing. Wokred for a few hours trying to get it to work. (Had to use the mac for online support of course.) I'm sure you already know where this is going but indulge me, I'm old. Gave up, put the card in the mac to make sure the damn thing was recognized. Guess what, not only did it read the data from it so I knew it got pwer, etc... but the modem worked and the network interface worked without a hitch.

If you compare who is better by what is the most used & owned I will refer you to the American car companies vs. Japanese and decide if that's a fair comparison.

[Dabamf]

Lets quit talking about mac vs PC and talk about why Ipods self destruct after 2 years

[Millie]

Originally Posted by Dabamf

Lets quit talking about mac vs PC and talk about why Ipods self destruct after 2 years

Most electronics (especially portable electronics) are designed to fail after 2-3 years. That (and constant upgrades) is how they get you to buy new ones.

[Thorpe]

Originally Posted by Millie

Most electronics (especially portable electronics) are designed to fail after 2-3 years. That (and constant upgrades) is how they get you to buy new ones.

Damn you Steve Jobs! DAMN YOU!

[Zuuljin]

I have had nothing but problems with my mom's OSX, and think windows is VASTLY superior.

She was trying to update her browser, but apparently the internet didnt think she had OSX, it thought she had OS9. She tells me about this "compatability" mode where you can switch them. So she shows me where it is, we switch (i guess) from 9 to X, and retry. Nope doesnt work. We'll we look for an older browser, and I come across opera. We download some file, and when its done, we run it. It says its installing....then it just disapears. Huh? ctrl alt del... oh wait you cant do that to see whats running. We look around for the files it installed, and find the little icon that I guess you run it with. Double click, nothing. Ok maybe we have to restart? Restart, go back to the icon... its gone. wtf? Find the installer, reinstall, find the icon, double click, nothing. At no point could I get down to the nitty gritty and find out wtf was going on. No file extensions, no task manager, nothing.

The single mouse thing is absolutly horrible, and I cant understand how you would defend it. The scroll wheel is a fucking godsend for browsing webpages. And simple commands like copy/paste are easily accessible with one hand. With that shit on a mac you have to either go to the top of the screen (yes screen, apparently each "window" changes the toolbar at the top of the screen. Confusing much?) and manually copy/past, or hold the apple button or whatever it is which requires 2 hands.

Perhaps a shitty analogy would be OSX is like driving an automatic through a race course, and windows is a manual. Sure the auto might be easier and do alot of shit for you, but when you want to push it and take control, your fucked.

[Benito Fireslinger]

She was trying to update her browser, but apparently the internet didnt think she had OSX, it thought she had OS9. She tells me about this "compatability" mode where you can switch them. So she shows me where it is, we switch (i guess) from 9 to X, and retry. Nope doesnt work. We'll we look for an older browser, and I come across opera. We download some file, and when its done, we run it. It says its installing....then it just disapears. Huh? ctrl alt del... oh wait you cant do that to see whats running. We look around for the files it installed, and find the little icon that I guess you run it with. Double click, nothing. Ok maybe we have to restart? Restart, go back to the icon... its gone. wtf? Find the installer, reinstall, find the icon, double click, nothing. At no point could I get down to the nitty gritty and find out wtf was going on. No file extensions, no task manager, nothing.

you sir are a moron. 99% of all apps that you download tell you how to install the program.

option+apple+esc = ctrl+alt+del

Windows has brainwashed you into thinking that your user experience is based on installed files, file extensions and all the other bullshit that they have to throw in to get the operating system to function on a half decent level.

To install a program on a mac: 1) download 2) run 3) drag the .app file to your applications folder or any other folder for taht matter 4) run it 5) remember to eject the dmg

wtf is hard about that? uninstalling is easier 1) locate the app 2) drag to trash can

I dont have to deal with a windows installer/uninstaller and all the other crap that you do with windows


OSX terminal > windows command line any day of the week. I have ls, grep, awk, yacc, lex, hell I have a full fucking linux terminal at my finger tips to do what i want. Not to mention being able to do shell scripting.

expose alone is superior to anything windows can come up with. And with leopard coming up expose + workspaces will make it that much better

osx is like driving a porshe gt2, windows is like having a ford mustang.

Sure the auto might be easier and do alot of shit for you, but when you want to push it and take control, your fucked.

i sure as hell can take control of my ibook and customize and do a hell of alot more with it than i can a windows box. What can you actually customize and do in windows? Please tell me?

[RiskyChris]

Originally Posted by Benito Fireslinger

i sure as hell can take control of my ibook and customize and do a hell of alot more with it than i can a windows box. What can you actually customize and do in windows? Please tell me?

./potshot

The hardware?

[Benito Fireslinger]

you dont upgrade a pc typically in pieces, you basically buy an entirely new computer. I would just do the same. But with a mac I am not forced to upgrade to the latest and greatest becuase my OS requires me to.

[Jaytee Bushwacker]

I used to be on the PC bandwagon. I used to be on a lot of bandwagons but as I get older I realize it just doesn't mean anything.

I've got a lot of respect for Steve Jobs and the product(s) he has helped create/bring to market. He really is quite an amazing personality, one of those people I have on my "Wouldn't it be cool to meet this person" list.

MAC's have good and bad points. I do not use one though. My neighbor has one and he had some printer problems and I went over to resolve the issue for him. I did fix the problem but simple things like finding files is so different I just know I couldn't use one unless I was forced to until the "retraining" period was over.

That's probably why all the guys in the studio business use MAC's...it works just like it always has and as I am fond of quoting "If it ain't broke don't fix it!".

That said I'm all about the PC style of doing things because it's what I am used to not because it's superior.

[RiskyChris]

Originally Posted by Benito Fireslinger

you dont upgrade a pc typically in pieces, you basically buy an entirely new computer. I would just do the same. But with a mac I am not forced to upgrade to the latest and greatest becuase my OS requires me to.

You didn't ask for upgradeability, you asked for customization. I can pick what I want in my Windows box.

[Benito Fireslinger]

eh what are you picking though

intel vs amd
ati vs nvidia

Buying a mac is no different than buying a PC from Dell as far as that goes. Yeah you may get to choose a different video card if you are building your own.

But thats a minute difference between the two

[RiskyChris]

Originally Posted by Benito Fireslinger

eh what are you picking though

intel vs amd
ati vs nvidia

Buying a mac is no different than buying a PC from Dell as far as that goes. Yeah you may get to choose a different video card if you are building your own.

But thats a minute difference between the two

Apple having a fucking iron grip on what hardware you need to run OSX is not a minute, trivial difference.

[Benito Fireslinger]

Apple having a fucking iron grip on what hardware you need to run OSX is not a minute, trivial difference.

what iron grip? You act like they are running some no name POS video card or something.

A iMac contains a intel proc, ati video card... wtf? You like to build your own pc good for you, so do I. But for 90% of the population of the world they could nto build a computer to save their life nor do they care whether they have a nvidia 8800 GTS or a ati x1900xt it does not matter to them.

Hardware means dick now days though. A pc does not suck because it has an intel proc or an amd proc. What sucks is the operating system.

[Taranatar]

[quote=Benito Fireslinger;666982]what iron grip? You act like they are running some no name POS video card or something.QUOTE]

Oh, I dunno, maybe the fact that pretty much anything you do to the innards of a mac permavoids the warranty and typically only they can fix it and are the sole source of most of the parts.