PC strikes back against the Mac?

[Hal2005]

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pretty funny.

[Zeste]

Originally Posted by Lenas

... people that are amazing in illustrator or photoshop, but don't know shit about how to run anything else on the computer

Very true. But you're saying this on a computer-geek fanboy EverQuest forum.

Why in the world would a professional *artist/audio engineer/video editor* care about the inner workings of a machine? They are concerned with producing graphics, sound, or video. They don't care about the guts of a computer like most of us here do. I know a professional studio tech that uses protools to do all of his recording of local bands and such, and he's been using mac all along. He doesn't care about video cards, the latest games, all the software a PC has over a mac, nothing.

He just needs protools to work, nonstop, and without error. And mac has been doing that for him. PC's are still more complex and harder to setup for people who ARENT COMPUTER GEEKS. I know a great many people who are experts in photoshop, protools, final cut, who couldn't defrag a PC or install a hard drive to save their lives. They don't GIVE A SHIT. They use a computer, in this case a mac, to do a specific job. Then they go home and don't worry about it, where us, we sit and post on forums and change IRQ's and install video cards and fuck with hardware and software all day.

We're all a buch of greasemonkey mechanics talking about cars and motors. To us, yeah, the inner workings matter.

But to most everyone else in the world... they just want it to work and do what it should. And mac's do that.

This whole thread, this whole FORUM is way biased because most of us have a HOBBY that is COMPUTERS. If your hobby is digital artwork, or music production, get a mac and never look under the hood.

I don't care how my car works. I don't care about the sweet Flowmasters or the K&N filter you have. It fucking drives me to work, where I can sit and use my windows PC and have all the fun in the world messing with it and using the computer itself as a hobby.

[Taranatar]

Originally Posted by Zeste

Very true. But you're saying this on a computer-geek fanboy EverQuest forum.

Why in the world would a professional *artist/audio engineer/video editor* care about the inner workings of a machine? They are concerned with producing graphics, sound, or video. They don't care about the guts of a computer like most of us here do. I know a professional studio tech that uses protools to do all of his recording of local bands and such, and he's been using mac all along. He doesn't care about video cards, the latest games, all the software a PC has over a mac, nothing.

He just needs protools to work, nonstop, and without error. And mac has been doing that for him. PC's are still more complex and harder to setup for people who ARENT COMPUTER GEEKS. I know a great many people who are experts in photoshop, protools, final cut, who couldn't defrag a PC or install a hard drive to save their lives. They don't GIVE A SHIT. They use a computer, in this case a mac, to do a specific job. Then they go home and don't worry about it, where us, we sit and post on forums and change IRQ's and install video cards and fuck with hardware and software all day.

We're all a buch of greasemonkey mechanics talking about cars and motors. To us, yeah, the inner workings matter.

But to most everyone else in the world... they just want it to work and do what it should. And mac's do that.

This whole thread, this whole FORUM is way biased because most of us have a HOBBY that is COMPUTERS. If your hobby is digital artwork, or music production, get a mac and never look under the hood.

I don't care how my car works. I don't care about the sweet Flowmasters or the K&N filter you have. It fucking drives me to work, where I can sit and use my windows PC and have all the fun in the world messing with it and using the computer itself as a hobby.

This hasn't been an eqfanboy forum since before the current forum version was even implemented sometime in '02.

Hell, go to the news section on the front page and go back to the earliest post and you'll find that.

What I find that aggravates the living fuck out of me is people with macs thinking they're suddenly some advanced civilization with a cure to cancer. In all honesty, try to name one thing a mac can do that a PC can't, not much right? If anything. Now try vice versa, sure, mac's can boot up windows now, but then why even bother buying one?

[James]

??? This was most definitely an EQ site right up until like open beta WoW in September/October 2004.

[Taranatar]

Originally Posted by James

??? This was most definitely an EQ site right up until like open beta WoW in September/October 2004.

I think it was J. Edgar Hoover who put it best, "This bitch is straight up BROKE!"

Net result: This loot? Verant, what in the name of Haysus are you THINKING?

Oh it most certainly was an eq site, but as you can see from the above quotes, it most definitely wasn't a fanboy site.

In fact, with the exception of some of the things in Vex Thal I don't think Furor or many of the people in FoH had much positive stuff to say about EQ, up to and including the infamous "fix it or we quit it" news item around the time FOH got to the circle of dudes in PoE.

Regardless, there are so many people on these boards anymore, while probably unlikely, I wouldn't be too suprised if almost half haven't even played EQ.

[James]

Dude, I don't want to argue fucking semantics here, but suffice it to say, you're wrong. Leave it at that. Except for the fuck macs part, because seriously. Fuck macs.

[Tuco]

This forum was never a EQ or WoW site.

It was created solely so we could discuss 300.

[Vorph]

Originally Posted by Zeste

Why in the world would a professional *artist/audio engineer/video editor* care about the inner workings of a machine?

The scary thing is that I've met as many programmers with that same attitude. Guys writing C++ all day long that couldn't build a machine from newegg parts or even set up a network any more complex than two pc's hanging off a linksys router...

[Tuco]

A big issue with that, Vorph, is that those guys (me) spend their entire workday learning about technology and working through debugging systems.

I know at the job anytime I have an IT problem I usually don't want to bother with it, and instead just let the IT people handle it. Another thing is a lot of the older programmers weren't raised in a computing environment, they just adapted to a programming position from a more hardware type background.

Then again, the computer I use now I built myself.

[Vorph]

I'm an old programmer too, though I prefer networks and hardware these days. I definitely get the not liking to adapt part; hell, the transition from C to C++ is what annoyed me to the point where I didn't want to be a programmer anymore. Maybe it was just because I liked to work in ASM so much in college but I've always felt that you're a much better programmer if you know the hardware inside and out too.

I used to hate it when I worked at places like GE where the programmers weren't even allowed to open a case or move a computer 15 feet to a new cubicle/office. Sitting around all day waiting for IT to get around to doing something was beyond irritating, especially since I'm an arrogant bastard who assumes that they don't know anywhere near as much as I do about the computers in the first place. ^^

[Tuco]

What did you not like about the transition from C to C++?

[Kazgrim]

This forum was never a EQ or WoW site.

It was created solely so we could discuss 300.

Truth.

[Vorph]

Originally Posted by Tuco

What did you not like about the transition from C to C++?

Spending over half my day in meetings talking about OO design and methodologies, Rational Rose, and all the other baggage that goes along with it instead of just writing code. Important or not, I hated it.

[Taranatar]

Originally Posted by Vorph

Spending over half my day in meetings talking about OO design and methodologies, Rational Rose, and all the other baggage that goes along with it instead of just writing code. Important or not, I hated it.

Bjorn Strostruppe(sp?) is a fucking crazy too, trust me, I've met him.

He acts exactly like the caffine dude on Mad Tv or whatever the hell it is.

Dude, I don't want to argue fucking semantics here, but suffice it to say, you're wrong. Leave it at that.

In all honesty, the subject matter doesn't concern me that much, I just HAVE to prove I'm right, even if I'm wrong.

[Tuco]

Haha, rational rose.