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Samus Aran · 08-16-2004, 06:14 PM

The problem with this situation is that there is no easy answer to any of it. I know that I probably don’t have any better ideas to make things better then most people who are knowledgeable about this situation. But to do nothing would be a mistake; no situation was ever made better by neglect.

One thins is sure though, the older I get the less certain I become about everything heh.

Mippo · 08-17-2004, 11:23 AM

All's fair in love and war. We were at war with the Native Americans, we wanted the land. We used very effective strategies to disarm our opponent and we took what we wanted, the land.

Strategy #1) Effective use of Time
Strategy #2) Selective generosity to disarm the opponent.

Mehmed the Conqueror used the timing strategy quite a bit in his conquests. The Turks were fighting with Hungary, and Mehmed wanted to conquer Uzun to his east. He knew that fighting a war on two fronts would be hard, so he dangled a lure of peace in front of them, while he could conquer Uzun. Hungary came, and he kept lavishing them with gifts, while avoiding them. Everywhere they went, they were told he had just left. He did this for months, and when they finally caught up with him, his demands for peace were so outrageous, there was no way Hungary would ever agree. He simply did that to create time for himself, so he wouldn't have to fight a war on two fronts. He kept the Hungarians pre-occupied with peace, while he conquered Uzun to the east. After Uzun was conquered, they went back to war against Hungary. It's a timing strategy, he was able to stall the Hungarians with a lure of peace, while he conquered the Uzun, knowing he would not have been able to fight the war on both fronts.

One sincere and honest move will cover over dozens of dishonest ones. A perfect example of this is the Trojan horse. Selective honesty disarms your opponent and then you can deceive and manipulate them at will.

The essence of deception is distraction. Distracting the people you want to deceive gives you the time to do something they won't notice. A genuine act of kindness, or generosity, removes that cloud of suspicion and allows you to deceive.

As such, throughout history, it has been well recorded that when you want to take, you should give.

This tactic has been around for quite some time. In third century B.C. grand chariots were presented to Ch'ou-yu before they were raided. When Chin raided Yu, they were first presented with a jade and a team of horses. The roman general Camillus used this tactic when taking the city of Faliscan. Even con artists use the same technique quite a bit. Read up on Count Victor Lustig, one of the most successful con artists in history.

With selective generosity we disarmed the Native Americans, and we controlled the timing as well. We kept the battles on our terms, and kept the opponent weak with selective generosity. Two of the most effective war strategies throughout history.

They were strategies of war, and the Native Americans lost the war. That's the reality of the situation. It wasn't the first time those strategies have been used, nor will it be the last. The Native Americans are also not the only ones who lost their culture because of it, nor will they be the last.

In war, people lose. That's reality. The Native Americans lost the war, get over it. Despite what some people think, you don't need to compensate the losers of the war. It's the winners who dictate the course of events.

Right and Wrong are simply used to support our own arguments, and perceptions. Someone can state our treatment of the Native Americans was wrong, and that is solely based on their opinion of events. If you look at it morally, I can understand that point of view. Lying is wrong, therefore lying to the Native Americans was wrong. At any point, can lying be justified? That depends on the person.

What if the Native Americans were lied to, so we didn't have to kill them all while gaining our objective, the land. Also, by lying, we were able to avoid casualties of war, and avoided using our resources. We won the war, without even fighting. Justifiable?

If the objective was gaining the land, and we could not trick the Native Americans out of the land, the next step becomes taking it by force. The Native Americans were lied to, so we didn't have to kill them all in order to gain the land. If you don't condone the deceit, then you need to accept the reality that there would no Native Americans now, if they weren't lied to. We would have killed them, and taken the land anyway. If you think the deceit was wrong, you are inadvertantly advocating the slaughter of Native Americans, because that is what would have happened.

If you are opposed to the war we had with the Native Americans entirely, then no outcome would have been acceptable for you. If we hadn't mistreated the Native Americans, we wouldn't be here either. Do you even know why we moved here... For such a self-proclaimed genius on the subject, you seem to be the ignorant one.

Most people feel that killing is wrong. Can it ever be justified? If someone attacked you, and the only way for you to survive, was to kill the attacker, would you do it? Some people won't and guess what, they die. Most of us adapt. We feel killing, or lying is wrong, but on occasion it can be justified. You can take an isolated incident, and say he killed that man, that's wrong, or you can look at the whole picture and take note that he killed him in defense of his own life.

Given the circumstances, the treatment of Native Americans is justifiable. Thus the famous quote, All's fair in love and war.

Jabberwhacky · 08-17-2004, 11:35 AM

Who let Sun Tzu in here?

PS Was that like your thesis in college or something? It's a very well written essay and I refuse to believe that there is anyone who reads the FOH boards that has both A) the intelligence and 2) the motivation to write something that in depth.

PPS Why is it that the screenshots forum is either a bunch of you guys talking about fecal matter and Blaezen's penis or a bunch of you guys discussing politics and world events? What's with this dichotomy we got goin here?

sukaraka · 08-17-2004, 03:58 PM

What dichotomy ? Its all the same ball of wax.

Samus Aran · 08-17-2004, 04:35 PM

I’ve read some wacked shit in my time Mippo but that takes the fucklin taco pal. LOL

Sweet Jesus man I hope that was one big joke because if it wasn’t then I’m sure it’s only a matter of time before this thread enters the rickshaw hall of fame.

Everything you say is so completely fucked in the head it’s impossible to find a place to start. I would actually take the time to tear down your argument here but I think you do such an efficient job of sounding like a crack addict here that all attempts to set you straight would be completely and utterly pointless.

Grats on creating the most retarded post this entire message board has EVER seen.

Lejina Bloodbath · 08-17-2004, 04:57 PM

Gee, we figured a long time ago on which side you were standing, but to dismiss for being stupid anyone who disagree with you can only get you so far.

Might as well just stop posting if all you're going to do is to repeat the same pointless drivel a few more times. Or just slap it in your sig and save yourself the trouble.

Grats on creating the most retarded post this entire message board has EVER seen.

Powerful.

We are all in awe. Give us a few minutes to breath before crushing us with another "you're stupid if you think the natives dont deserve more money/healthcares/all kind of advantages/hugs for losing the war". That kind of arguments are really shaking our bases and make us realise how wrong we are, i swear.

Hellbunny · 08-17-2004, 04:59 PM

Mippo

May Windego blow a hot load of beast juice in your face for posting such drivel.

I bet that post made even people that disagree with Brit's shake their heads in awe.

Sad times indeed.

Lejina Bloodbath · 08-17-2004, 05:04 PM

The more freebies you give to someone, the lazier the individual will get and the less likely he will be from being a grown citizen who can take care of himself.

If you want to help the natives, force them to go to school and get a degree. Anything else will just feed their misery to grow even more.

Samus Aran · 08-17-2004, 05:23 PM

Jesus, please Lejina don’t tell me that you actually find any thing in that post of Mippos to have any worth whatsoever lol.

I read his post and I fully understand what he was saying. But I also have enough intelligence to be able to spot complete bullshit when I see it. Though his argument is conveyed well his ideas and conclusions are completely void of any kind of intelligence or logic what so ever. Everything he says is based on a premise of complete ignorance and all from a standpoint of someone that is trying to communicate his thoughts in some sort of half hearted pseudo-intellectual manner. His argument is like a 2nd grader trying to explain to his teacher why it was ok for him to punch a girl in the eye and steal her milk. From his standpoint Rape would be ok because men have been doing it for thousands of years, and that if rape is committed in a well thought out manner and executed with a flawless battle tactic that it’s ok. The fact that you can’t see his post for what it was is completely mind boggling to me. I have not dismissed everyone’s posts and opinions on this thread and if you think I have then perhaps you should try going back and rereading my posts and responses to people.

If you can’t see why I just blew off Mippos post then you need to get to a physician ASAP and get a fuckin lobotomy.

Lejina Bloodbath · 08-17-2004, 05:41 PM

While most of his arguments are bullshit, they are still made in a somewhat logical and informed tone, mostly using the prejudices and emotions of the reader to give the impression that his argumentation has a leg to stand on. That's called demagogy.

Those who will not see trough it (Jabberwhacky for one) will just look at it and say "wow, that smart and well written". Do you really believe to say "hey, that's bullshit" without saying why will convince much of those who thought that was smart at first? I think not.

Beside, those like me who do not believe the natives deserve any kind of special treatment will just shrug off at Mippos and definitly wont be any more convinced of being wrong when seeing yours.

Btw, physicians have not been doing lobotomy for ages. You gotta do it yourself with a drill nowaday.

Samus Aran · 08-17-2004, 06:14 PM

"Those who will not see trough it (Jabberwhacky for one) will just look at it and say "wow, that smart and well written". Do you really believe to say "hey, that's bullshit" without saying why will convince much of those who thought that was smart at first? I think not."

--Yes, I really do believe that saying "hey, that’s bullshit" without giving a reason was enough because I figured anyone with any amount of intelligence could see the bullshit, sorry for giving you more credit then I thought you deserved.

"Beside, those like me who do not believe the natives deserve any kind of special treatment will just shrug off at Mippos and definitly wont be any more convinced of being wrong when seeing yours."

--Then argue your point instead of trying to defend a retard like Mippo.

"Btw, physicians have not been doing lobotomy for ages. You gotta do it yourself with a drill nowaday."

--No shit, it was a joke if you didn’t catch it.

Lejina Bloodbath · 08-17-2004, 06:25 PM

Nice, and you're the one calling others stupid.

Give me a holler once you catch on.

hint: those who cant see trough a demagogic speach wont be enlightened by simply being told it's bullshit, i didnt defend Mippo and the drill reference was a joke in itself and a clue that i got your oh so funney joke.

Samus Aran · 08-17-2004, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lejina Bloodbath
Nice, and you're the one calling others stupid.

Give me a holler once you catch on.

Oh shit I think I just got owned! Oh noz!

I’m gunna break down all your posts into 1 picture for you, a mixture of what the fuck, who gives a fuck and meaningless bilge.

Sampo · 08-17-2004, 07:12 PM

and since this got bumped, im posting the new bush \/1|]3[]

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Hellbunny Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 32 +0 Internets	good lord Mippo May Windego blow a hot load of beast juice in your face for posting such drivel. I bet that post made even people that disagree with Brit's shake their heads in awe. Sad times indeed. __________________ Xtacidia Evernight Priest of Fires of Heaven

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08-16-2004, 06:14 PM	#61 (permalink)
Samus Aran Sons of the Storm Heal Bitch Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 771 +1 Internets	The problem with this situation is that there is no easy answer to any of it. I know that I probably don’t have any better ideas to make things better then most people who are knowledgeable about this situation. But to do nothing would be a mistake; no situation was ever made better by neglect. One thins is sure though, the older I get the less certain I become about everything heh.

08-17-2004, 11:23 AM	#62 (permalink)
Mippo Has a 2 inch dysfunctional penis Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,012 -65 Internets	All's fair in love and war. We were at war with the Native Americans, we wanted the land. We used very effective strategies to disarm our opponent and we took what we wanted, the land. Strategy #1) Effective use of Time Strategy #2) Selective generosity to disarm the opponent. Mehmed the Conqueror used the timing strategy quite a bit in his conquests. The Turks were fighting with Hungary, and Mehmed wanted to conquer Uzun to his east. He knew that fighting a war on two fronts would be hard, so he dangled a lure of peace in front of them, while he could conquer Uzun. Hungary came, and he kept lavishing them with gifts, while avoiding them. Everywhere they went, they were told he had just left. He did this for months, and when they finally caught up with him, his demands for peace were so outrageous, there was no way Hungary would ever agree. He simply did that to create time for himself, so he wouldn't have to fight a war on two fronts. He kept the Hungarians pre-occupied with peace, while he conquered Uzun to the east. After Uzun was conquered, they went back to war against Hungary. It's a timing strategy, he was able to stall the Hungarians with a lure of peace, while he conquered the Uzun, knowing he would not have been able to fight the war on both fronts. One sincere and honest move will cover over dozens of dishonest ones. A perfect example of this is the Trojan horse. Selective honesty disarms your opponent and then you can deceive and manipulate them at will. The essence of deception is distraction. Distracting the people you want to deceive gives you the time to do something they won't notice. A genuine act of kindness, or generosity, removes that cloud of suspicion and allows you to deceive. As such, throughout history, it has been well recorded that when you want to take, you should give. This tactic has been around for quite some time. In third century B.C. grand chariots were presented to Ch'ou-yu before they were raided. When Chin raided Yu, they were first presented with a jade and a team of horses. The roman general Camillus used this tactic when taking the city of Faliscan. Even con artists use the same technique quite a bit. Read up on Count Victor Lustig, one of the most successful con artists in history. With selective generosity we disarmed the Native Americans, and we controlled the timing as well. We kept the battles on our terms, and kept the opponent weak with selective generosity. Two of the most effective war strategies throughout history. They were strategies of war, and the Native Americans lost the war. That's the reality of the situation. It wasn't the first time those strategies have been used, nor will it be the last. The Native Americans are also not the only ones who lost their culture because of it, nor will they be the last. In war, people lose. That's reality. The Native Americans lost the war, get over it. Despite what some people think, you don't need to compensate the losers of the war. It's the winners who dictate the course of events. Right and Wrong are simply used to support our own arguments, and perceptions. Someone can state our treatment of the Native Americans was wrong, and that is solely based on their opinion of events. If you look at it morally, I can understand that point of view. Lying is wrong, therefore lying to the Native Americans was wrong. At any point, can lying be justified? That depends on the person. What if the Native Americans were lied to, so we didn't have to kill them all while gaining our objective, the land. Also, by lying, we were able to avoid casualties of war, and avoided using our resources. We won the war, without even fighting. Justifiable? If the objective was gaining the land, and we could not trick the Native Americans out of the land, the next step becomes taking it by force. The Native Americans were lied to, so we didn't have to kill them all in order to gain the land. If you don't condone the deceit, then you need to accept the reality that there would no Native Americans now, if they weren't lied to. We would have killed them, and taken the land anyway. If you think the deceit was wrong, you are inadvertantly advocating the slaughter of Native Americans, because that is what would have happened. If you are opposed to the war we had with the Native Americans entirely, then no outcome would have been acceptable for you. If we hadn't mistreated the Native Americans, we wouldn't be here either. Do you even know why we moved here... For such a self-proclaimed genius on the subject, you seem to be the ignorant one. Most people feel that killing is wrong. Can it ever be justified? If someone attacked you, and the only way for you to survive, was to kill the attacker, would you do it? Some people won't and guess what, they die. Most of us adapt. We feel killing, or lying is wrong, but on occasion it can be justified. You can take an isolated incident, and say he killed that man, that's wrong, or you can look at the whole picture and take note that he killed him in defense of his own life. Given the circumstances, the treatment of Native Americans is justifiable. Thus the famous quote, All's fair in love and war.

08-17-2004, 11:35 AM	#63 (permalink)
Jabberwhacky Walker told me I have AIDS Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,915	Who let Sun Tzu in here? PS Was that like your thesis in college or something? It's a very well written essay and I refuse to believe that there is anyone who reads the FOH boards that has both A) the intelligence and 2) the motivation to write something that in depth. PPS Why is it that the screenshots forum is either a bunch of you guys talking about fecal matter and Blaezen's penis or a bunch of you guys discussing politics and world events? What's with this dichotomy we got goin here?

08-17-2004, 03:58 PM	#64 (permalink)
sukaraka Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 54 +0 Internets	What dichotomy ? Its all the same ball of wax.

08-17-2004, 04:35 PM	#65 (permalink)
Samus Aran Sons of the Storm Heal Bitch Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 771 +1 Internets	I’ve read some wacked shit in my time Mippo but that takes the fucklin taco pal. LOL Sweet Jesus man I hope that was one big joke because if it wasn’t then I’m sure it’s only a matter of time before this thread enters the rickshaw hall of fame. Everything you say is so completely fucked in the head it’s impossible to find a place to start. I would actually take the time to tear down your argument here but I think you do such an efficient job of sounding like a crack addict here that all attempts to set you straight would be completely and utterly pointless. Grats on creating the most retarded post this entire message board has EVER seen.

08-17-2004, 04:57 PM	#66 (permalink)
Lejina Bloodbath Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,094 +3 Internets	Gee, we figured a long time ago on which side you were standing, but to dismiss for being stupid anyone who disagree with you can only get you so far. Might as well just stop posting if all you're going to do is to repeat the same pointless drivel a few more times. Or just slap it in your sig and save yourself the trouble. Grats on creating the most retarded post this entire message board has EVER seen. Powerful. We are all in awe. Give us a few minutes to breath before crushing us with another "you're stupid if you think the natives dont deserve more money/healthcares/all kind of advantages/hugs for losing the war". That kind of arguments are really shaking our bases and make us realise how wrong we are, i swear.

08-17-2004, 05:04 PM	#68 (permalink)
Lejina Bloodbath Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,094 +3 Internets	The more freebies you give to someone, the lazier the individual will get and the less likely he will be from being a grown citizen who can take care of himself. If you want to help the natives, force them to go to school and get a degree. Anything else will just feed their misery to grow even more.

08-17-2004, 05:23 PM	#69 (permalink)
Samus Aran Sons of the Storm Heal Bitch Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 771 +1 Internets	Jesus, please Lejina don’t tell me that you actually find any thing in that post of Mippos to have any worth whatsoever lol. I read his post and I fully understand what he was saying. But I also have enough intelligence to be able to spot complete bullshit when I see it. Though his argument is conveyed well his ideas and conclusions are completely void of any kind of intelligence or logic what so ever. Everything he says is based on a premise of complete ignorance and all from a standpoint of someone that is trying to communicate his thoughts in some sort of half hearted pseudo-intellectual manner. His argument is like a 2nd grader trying to explain to his teacher why it was ok for him to punch a girl in the eye and steal her milk. From his standpoint Rape would be ok because men have been doing it for thousands of years, and that if rape is committed in a well thought out manner and executed with a flawless battle tactic that it’s ok. The fact that you can’t see his post for what it was is completely mind boggling to me. I have not dismissed everyone’s posts and opinions on this thread and if you think I have then perhaps you should try going back and rereading my posts and responses to people. If you can’t see why I just blew off Mippos post then you need to get to a physician ASAP and get a fuckin lobotomy.

08-17-2004, 05:41 PM	#70 (permalink)
Lejina Bloodbath Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,094 +3 Internets	While most of his arguments are bullshit, they are still made in a somewhat logical and informed tone, mostly using the prejudices and emotions of the reader to give the impression that his argumentation has a leg to stand on. That's called demagogy. Those who will not see trough it (Jabberwhacky for one) will just look at it and say "wow, that smart and well written". Do you really believe to say "hey, that's bullshit" without saying why will convince much of those who thought that was smart at first? I think not. Beside, those like me who do not believe the natives deserve any kind of special treatment will just shrug off at Mippos and definitly wont be any more convinced of being wrong when seeing yours. Btw, physicians have not been doing lobotomy for ages. You gotta do it yourself with a drill nowaday.

08-17-2004, 06:14 PM	#71 (permalink)
Samus Aran Sons of the Storm Heal Bitch Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 771 +1 Internets	"Those who will not see trough it (Jabberwhacky for one) will just look at it and say "wow, that smart and well written". Do you really believe to say "hey, that's bullshit" without saying why will convince much of those who thought that was smart at first? I think not." --Yes, I really do believe that saying "hey, that’s bullshit" without giving a reason was enough because I figured anyone with any amount of intelligence could see the bullshit, sorry for giving you more credit then I thought you deserved. "Beside, those like me who do not believe the natives deserve any kind of special treatment will just shrug off at Mippos and definitly wont be any more convinced of being wrong when seeing yours." --Then argue your point instead of trying to defend a retard like Mippo. "Btw, physicians have not been doing lobotomy for ages. You gotta do it yourself with a drill nowaday." --No shit, it was a joke if you didn’t catch it.

08-17-2004, 06:25 PM	#72 (permalink)
Lejina Bloodbath Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,094 +3 Internets	Nice, and you're the one calling others stupid. Give me a holler once you catch on. hint: those who cant see trough a demagogic speach wont be enlightened by simply being told it's bullshit, i didnt defend Mippo and the drill reference was a joke in itself and a clue that i got your oh so funney joke.

08-17-2004, 07:12 PM	#74 (permalink)
Sampo Banned Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 521 +1 Internets	and since this got bumped, im posting the new bush \/1\|]3[]