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Old 10-21-2007, 09:39 PM   #13876 (permalink)
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Can you post some of these standards so we can properly work them out?
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Old 10-21-2007, 10:59 PM   #13877 (permalink)
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Women are allowed to be MPs, they can be in the Chemical Brigade, Bridge Crew Operators, etc. Sure, they are not allowed to be infantry but so what? MPs got way more weapons training than I ever did.
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Old 10-21-2007, 11:39 PM   #13878 (permalink)
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Can you post some of these standards so we can properly work them out?
It's mostly just lowered standards. In the military, women need about half the physical requirements that men do to get in. Men have to do 50 pushups? Women have to do 25. Stuff like that.
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Old 10-21-2007, 11:40 PM   #13879 (permalink)
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Notice her right breast pocket.

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Old 10-21-2007, 11:45 PM   #13880 (permalink)
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Old 10-21-2007, 11:48 PM   #13881 (permalink)
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It's mostly just lowered standards. In the military, women need about half the physical requirements that men do to get in. Men have to do 50 pushups? Women have to do 25. Stuff like that.
For the Army it is less push ups, same sit ups, a bit more time on the 2 mile run.
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Old 10-22-2007, 12:07 AM   #13882 (permalink)
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I agree with everything you said except that part. Everything you listed have one thing in common: physical ability. Yes, I know there are some freaks out there, but by and large, women lack noticeably behind men in physical ability. If you hold women to the same standards, you risk very very low enrollment, almost to the point of "why bother?". It's also part of the reason why Title IX blows.
That's the entire point. If we truly want to move towards a society where everyone is judged as an individual and not by their plumbing, you can't still have shit where you have separate little divisions for women because they're "not as good."

That fucks over the smaller, weaker men for one, as they don't exactly get a "wussier guys" league for major sports. Conversely, it punishes physically adept women as they are forced to play with inferior athletes instead of competing against more challenging opponents. Why the fuck can't we just let people suck or kick ass on an individual basis? That part's self-evident, because we all know that it would result in very few women being able to make it into physically demanding jobs or major sports. What the fuck's wrong with that? They'd have the exact same chance as a man of the same physical ability. Looking at it from that perspective, our current system actively discriminates against men with sub-standard physical ability specifically because of their sex organs.

There is absolutely no way to tell a child that gender doesn't matter when they see a world that's going out of it's way to try and deny the fact that women tend to be genetically inferior to men in terms of physical performance.

I just don't like the hypocrisy. Either we're equal or we're not. Pick one and run with it. I just hate this halfway bullshit where what we do doesn't match what we say, especially when it involves hate-speech against either gender.

Think about this: what do you think of when you think of top women athletes? Now, picture any major sport or the Olympics or whatever and picture what it would be like if a woman broke the world record at something while competing against men, or scored the winning goal in the World Cup, or knocked out the reigning UFC champ? That would do more to empower women (and arguably anyone who feels like an underdog) than anything that someone's going to do while in the female version of the Special Fucking Olympics.
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Old 10-22-2007, 12:10 AM   #13883 (permalink)
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Old 10-22-2007, 01:06 AM   #13884 (permalink)
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Think about this: what do you think of when you think of top women athletes? Now, picture any major sport or the Olympics or whatever and picture what it would be like if a woman broke the world record at something while competing against men, or scored the winning goal in the World Cup, or knocked out the reigning UFC champ? That would do more to empower women (and arguably anyone who feels like an underdog) than anything that someone's going to do while in the female version of the Special Fucking Olympics.
Yeah, except it would never happen. That's the point. Woman are different, end of story.

Women don't get a "wussier guys" league either. They compete against the best their gender has to offer, not inferior athletes.

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Old 10-22-2007, 02:59 AM   #13885 (permalink)
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That's the entire point. If we truly want to move towards a society where everyone is judged as an individual and not by their plumbing, you can't still have shit where you have separate little divisions for women because they're "not as good."

That fucks over the smaller, weaker men for one, as they don't exactly get a "wussier guys" league for major sports. Conversely, it punishes physically adept women as they are forced to play with inferior athletes instead of competing against more challenging opponents. Why the fuck can't we just let people suck or kick ass on an individual basis? That part's self-evident, because we all know that it would result in very few women being able to make it into physically demanding jobs or major sports. What the fuck's wrong with that? They'd have the exact same chance as a man of the same physical ability. Looking at it from that perspective, our current system actively discriminates against men with sub-standard physical ability specifically because of their sex organs.

There is absolutely no way to tell a child that gender doesn't matter when they see a world that's going out of it's way to try and deny the fact that women tend to be genetically inferior to men in terms of physical performance.

I just don't like the hypocrisy. Either we're equal or we're not. Pick one and run with it. I just hate this halfway bullshit where what we do doesn't match what we say, especially when it involves hate-speech against either gender.

Think about this: what do you think of when you think of top women athletes? Now, picture any major sport or the Olympics or whatever and picture what it would be like if a woman broke the world record at something while competing against men, or scored the winning goal in the World Cup, or knocked out the reigning UFC champ? That would do more to empower women (and arguably anyone who feels like an underdog) than anything that someone's going to do while in the female version of the Special Fucking Olympics.
The likelyhood of a woman beating a man in a UFC? or hell, even any event, in anything at top levels of physical competition?

Not good.

The only people who call for this all men/women created equal are the idiotic extremist feminists, or the equally as ignorant mega-PC crowd.

Any woman I've ever spoken with, that had any type of intelligence realizes that the majority of women, are just weaker than the majority of males. Not weaker as in "men = superior race" simply weaker as in physically. Also, they don't whine and bitch about it! Amazing! it's just how it is!
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Old 10-22-2007, 03:20 AM   #13886 (permalink)
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Shouldn't that say "breast" because that's sure not where her head goes
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Old 10-22-2007, 03:37 AM   #13887 (permalink)
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The likelyhood of a woman beating a man in a UFC? or hell, even any event, in anything at top levels of physical competition?
heh, funny you say that. Earlier this year Regina Halmich (WIBF championsince 1995 years now) fought a boxing fight for fun against Stefan Raab (TV Moderator who does work out and is in good shape, but nowhere the level a professional sportsman would be) and she could not knock him out. That tells a lot imho.

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Really? That's where my head might go.
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Old 10-22-2007, 03:52 AM   #13888 (permalink)
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Have we not had people come forth, publically and say that men and women are not equal in all areas? President of Harvard? Nobel prize winners? Women are not dumb, clearly. But how many computer nerd women do you see? I don't understand the need to make EVERYBODY exactly the same. Don't degrade people but respect that some people have differences. Slow vs fast twitch muscles for example. Some people are just better at sprinting and some at running long distances.

Certain ethnic groups TEND to have certain differences and variance in their genetic makeup. Women TEND to enter science and math less than men. Does that mean that all women suck at it? No. But women also tend to have less muscle mass than men do. Which makes them, on the whole, less able to lift heavier weights. Does this mean they are weak or useless? Absolutely not.

But people should not be BLIND to reality either just so they can appear to be PC.

Myself, as a black, overweight jewish man who lives in the ghetto will never excel in lots of things. And I am perfectly ok with that.
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Old 10-22-2007, 03:53 AM   #13889 (permalink)
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Old 10-22-2007, 05:06 AM   #13890 (permalink)
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Pretty sure there is no woman league for chess or go.

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