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Burkex · 10-29-2009, 12:17 AM

I have all of these Full Tilt points earned up that I have never used. I just played a FTP tourney for the hell of it tonight and won pretty easy. Are there any good tourneys to save FTP's up for or anything else to use them on? It looks like they are used mainly for satellite's.

BTW anyone else going to be in this tourney on Sunday?:

Burkex · 10-30-2009, 12:30 AM

we need a poker thread or something.

But last night, early on in a tourney I am dealt KK, mid position, about 4 people in front of me raise 2x the BB, so I raised 6x the BB. I got 2 callers. The flop comes 7Q3 Rainbow. So I continuation bet 1/3 of the pot one guy folds and the other pushed all in. Preflop he limped in then called my huge raise. Now I am worried he has pocket 33 or 77 but I think about it and put him on a hand like KQ. Turns out he had 73 off suit. Yes I called and the turn was a Q and I won the hand but still. How does a guy with 73 call a huge preflop raise like that? He was not short stacked it was maybe the 2nd hand in a SNG. Way too many donkeys online in the lower stakes games. Are the $10+ games that bad?

Heavens_Myst · 10-30-2009, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Burkex

we need a poker thread or something.

But last night, early on in a tourney I am dealt KK, mid position, about 4 people in front of me raise 2x the BB, so I raised 6x the BB. I got 2 callers. The flop comes 7Q3 Rainbow. So I continuation bet 1/3 of the pot one guy folds and the other pushed all in. Preflop he limped in then called my huge raise. Now I am worried he has pocket 33 or 77 but I think about it and put him on a hand like KQ. Turns out he had 73 off suit. Yes I called and the turn was a Q and I won the hand but still. How does a guy with 73 call a huge preflop raise like that? He was not short stacked it was maybe the 2nd hand in a SNG. Way too many donkeys online in the lower stakes games. Are the $10+ games that bad?

I tried to fight the urge, but uh.

First - if you're going to describe a donkament hand, you need to give stacksizes and blind levels

Second - say blinds are 50/100, UTG raises to 200 you said, then three callers behind, and you raise on the button or whatever to 600. The pot is now 200(x4)+200+100+600=1800, UTG has to call 400 to win a 2200 pot, UTG+1 will have to call 400 to win a 2600 pot, etc etc - you're giving players delicious odds to setmine, call with their SC for implied odds, etc. So not only do we not know what player(s) called you, but we have no idea if it was the original raiser (UTG) or something like CO (4th caller) that stayed in the hand. If you haven't figured it out yet, your raise is horribly too small. You invited 4 callers and now AA/KK/QQ loses a ton of equity against multiple opponents. You want to isolate the fish and hope to induce a bluff-shove. Again this is all theory since you gave absolutely terrible details of the hand you were in.

Third, yes people are bad. You are probably awful too (no offense). You win money from players who are bad, players you have an edge against. Being results oriented about daily badbeats/coolers is stupid. It's all variance. The only way to deal with it is by playing tons of sng/tournies/hands, otherwise you will never come close to understand what your ROI/ptbb/etc are.

Fourth, wait... 1 bet and 3 calls before you, you 3bet in MP. Flop comes, and you are first to act? You meant to say he check/r all in right? Your recap of this hand sounds more like a drunken frat brother telling me about his badbeat in the penny game downstairs. And it's a tourney or a SNG? 9man sng? 18? 45? 90? 180? wat.

Fifth, I'm 100% certain you're the donkey (villain probably is one too, but thats not worth arguing). Normally it's a dont educate the fish mentality, but you should really start posting hands/learning poker/signing up to a SNG vid site, twoplustwo dot com sir.

And the last thing this forum needs is a poker subforum so we can avoid awful threads like this one.

/end strategy

Al Capwn · 10-30-2009, 04:35 AM

Lumie · 10-30-2009, 05:10 AM

lol myst i was thinking almost entirely what you were thinking while reading burkes post but damn you come down hard lol

Picasso · 10-30-2009, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Lumie

lol myst i was thinking almost entirely what you were

ouch.

Foler · 10-30-2009, 04:05 PM

Ugh I've been constipated all day.

Zinke · 10-30-2009, 09:16 PM

I'm mostly gonna echo what myst said, Burke. It's hard to tell by your description, but even if you meant the action was 2xBB raise, 4 folds, then you re-raise to 6xBB, which is the only way your bet is close to being a good raise, then the blinds can call with a semi-decent hand and get pot odds still.

If it went down more like how myst interpreted it, then the guy wasnt making that bad of a preflop call. I wouldn't have done it, but even if he specifically puts you on KK and the initial raiser on AA, then he knows he'll get paid off if he hits his 2 pair, cause neither of you will likely get away from the hand.

I would have reraised to 4-5x whatever the initial raise was, so 8-10xBB. You wanna isolate that initial raiser, and keep position in the hand. Or, possibly just take it down preflop. Never be upset at winning a small pot with a top 10 hand. Most people get greedy with big hands like that, and that's why they bitch and moan about AA never winning. I rarely want it to go past the flop with an overpair to the board, unless I hit top set with no flush/str8 draws out, then I'll likely slowplay a little.

Taloo · 10-30-2009, 10:51 PM

Shaw seems like a good place for this question.

Bought a Walmart faggot card to put some money in full tilt since I'm lazy and don't have a bank account. Your basic prepaid visa set up with all my info.

Attempts return "Declined Reason: PURCHASES NOT ALLOWED FROM THIS COUNTRY" read the fine print and says one of the card conditions is not use it in association with an online gambling site. Only $50 on it so don't give a shit if they nuke it anyways.

Full Tilt lists an "e-wallet" in their payment section which is currently not allowing new accounts according to their site.

Options other than paying $53 to buy $50 worth of gas?

12/27/85 btw

Zinke · 10-30-2009, 11:14 PM

Without a bank account, not totally sure, since some of the restrictions are more strict for the US.. that whole patriot act and whatnot.. See if one of the other payment options on full tilt accepts visa. i.e. a paypal type service, since paypal doesn't work for poker sites specifically I believe.
Just went and looked on the deposit options, seems they only have one service that matches what I'm talking about, click2pay. I think click2pay accepts credit cards to deposit money into a 3rd party account before transferring to full tilt, probably with a small fee too, of course.

Taloo · 10-30-2009, 11:19 PM

Yeah click2pay is the site that is not accepting new accounts for whatever reason.

Heavens_Myst · 10-31-2009, 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zinke

Without a bank account, not totally sure, since some of the restrictions are more strict for the US.. that whole patriot act and whatnot.. See if one of the other payment options on full tilt accepts visa. i.e. a paypal type service, since paypal doesn't work for poker sites specifically I believe.
Just went and looked on the deposit options, seems they only have one service that matches what I'm talking about, click2pay. I think click2pay accepts credit cards to deposit money into a 3rd party account before transferring to full tilt, probably with a small fee too, of course.

Please don't say patriot act and online poker in the same breath. You're referring to the UIGEA which limited deposit institutions for online gambling websites.

For depositing from giftcards, I believe the VISA ALL ACCESS giftcards work on both stars and FT still (quick googling shows theres some mark that distinguishes them on the back if you're unsure), or you can try this specific forum on 2p2 and do a search and find the answer Internet Poker - Online Poker Forum as they usually deal with questions like that weekly.

Taloo · 10-31-2009, 01:10 AM

Might see about finding one of those next time I make the trek to civilization. Walmart is the only place around here that sells prepaid which apparently won't work. Don't care enough to make a four hour round trip to Branson or wherever just for this. Unless someone has another option looks like I have a Christmas gift or a gas card.

Damn financial system. Amusing the only thing I can't seem to do without a bank account is gamble online. Used to stop by the kiosk at the mall once a month and grab a giftcard if I felt like paying bills online instead of via cash. Never really had a need for an account.

Heavens_Myst · 10-31-2009, 01:15 AM

shrug you can use this to find out if they're sold by you : https://www.allaccessgift.com/gift/

Otherwise umm.. maybe it's time to get a bank account and think about one of those things human people call credit cards, not even for poker - just thinking about life here.

Taloo · 10-31-2009, 01:41 AM

Mayhaps one of these days. No need or desire at the moment and moving again soon!

10-29-2009, 12:17 AM	#46 (permalink)
Burkex It's Lord of the Flies time. Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,475 -77 Internets	I have all of these Full Tilt points earned up that I have never used. I just played a FTP tourney for the hell of it tonight and won pretty easy. Are there any good tourneys to save FTP's up for or anything else to use them on? It looks like they are used mainly for satellite's. BTW anyone else going to be in this tourney on Sunday?: Attached Images __________________ "If you want the ultimate, you've got to be willing to pay the ultimate price. It's not tragic to die doing what you love." My favorite comment (-1): "Your posts make me want to gouge my own eyes out."

10-30-2009, 12:30 AM	#47 (permalink)
Burkex It's Lord of the Flies time. Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,475 -77 Internets	we need a poker thread or something. But last night, early on in a tourney I am dealt KK, mid position, about 4 people in front of me raise 2x the BB, so I raised 6x the BB. I got 2 callers. The flop comes 7Q3 Rainbow. So I continuation bet 1/3 of the pot one guy folds and the other pushed all in. Preflop he limped in then called my huge raise. Now I am worried he has pocket 33 or 77 but I think about it and put him on a hand like KQ. Turns out he had 73 off suit. Yes I called and the turn was a Q and I won the hand but still. How does a guy with 73 call a huge preflop raise like that? He was not short stacked it was maybe the 2nd hand in a SNG. Way too many donkeys online in the lower stakes games. Are the $10+ games that bad? __________________ "If you want the ultimate, you've got to be willing to pay the ultimate price. It's not tragic to die doing what you love." My favorite comment (-1): "Your posts make me want to gouge my own eyes out."

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10-30-2009, 05:10 AM	#50 (permalink)
Lumie Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 638 -172 Internets	lol myst i was thinking almost entirely what you were thinking while reading burkes post but damn you come down hard lol

10-30-2009, 04:05 PM	#52 (permalink)
Foler Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florida Posts: 365 -123 Internets	Ugh I've been constipated all day.

10-30-2009, 09:16 PM	#53 (permalink)
Zinke Really iTunes? Free downloads while supplies last? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: pirate kansas Posts: 2,559 +0 Internets	I'm mostly gonna echo what myst said, Burke. It's hard to tell by your description, but even if you meant the action was 2xBB raise, 4 folds, then you re-raise to 6xBB, which is the only way your bet is close to being a good raise, then the blinds can call with a semi-decent hand and get pot odds still. If it went down more like how myst interpreted it, then the guy wasnt making that bad of a preflop call. I wouldn't have done it, but even if he specifically puts you on KK and the initial raiser on AA, then he knows he'll get paid off if he hits his 2 pair, cause neither of you will likely get away from the hand. I would have reraised to 4-5x whatever the initial raise was, so 8-10xBB. You wanna isolate that initial raiser, and keep position in the hand. Or, possibly just take it down preflop. Never be upset at winning a small pot with a top 10 hand. Most people get greedy with big hands like that, and that's why they bitch and moan about AA never winning. I rarely want it to go past the flop with an overpair to the board, unless I hit top set with no flush/str8 draws out, then I'll likely slowplay a little.

10-30-2009, 10:51 PM	#54 (permalink)
Taloo Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 709 -6 Internets	Shaw seems like a good place for this question. Bought a Walmart faggot card to put some money in full tilt since I'm lazy and don't have a bank account. Your basic prepaid visa set up with all my info. Attempts return "Declined Reason: PURCHASES NOT ALLOWED FROM THIS COUNTRY" read the fine print and says one of the card conditions is not use it in association with an online gambling site. Only $50 on it so don't give a shit if they nuke it anyways. Full Tilt lists an "e-wallet" in their payment section which is currently not allowing new accounts according to their site. Options other than paying $53 to buy $50 worth of gas? 12/27/85 btw

10-30-2009, 11:14 PM	#55 (permalink)
Zinke Really iTunes? Free downloads while supplies last? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: pirate kansas Posts: 2,559 +0 Internets	Without a bank account, not totally sure, since some of the restrictions are more strict for the US.. that whole patriot act and whatnot.. See if one of the other payment options on full tilt accepts visa. i.e. a paypal type service, since paypal doesn't work for poker sites specifically I believe. Just went and looked on the deposit options, seems they only have one service that matches what I'm talking about, click2pay. I think click2pay accepts credit cards to deposit money into a 3rd party account before transferring to full tilt, probably with a small fee too, of course.

10-30-2009, 11:19 PM	#56 (permalink)
Taloo Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 709 -6 Internets	Yeah click2pay is the site that is not accepting new accounts for whatever reason.

10-31-2009, 01:10 AM	#58 (permalink)
Taloo Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 709 -6 Internets	Might see about finding one of those next time I make the trek to civilization. Walmart is the only place around here that sells prepaid which apparently won't work. Don't care enough to make a four hour round trip to Branson or wherever just for this. Unless someone has another option looks like I have a Christmas gift or a gas card. Damn financial system. Amusing the only thing I can't seem to do without a bank account is gamble online. Used to stop by the kiosk at the mall once a month and grab a giftcard if I felt like paying bills online instead of via cash. Never really had a need for an account.

10-31-2009, 01:15 AM	#59 (permalink)
Heavens_Myst Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 1,479 -134 Internets	shrug you can use this to find out if they're sold by you : https://www.allaccessgift.com/gift/ Otherwise umm.. maybe it's time to get a bank account and think about one of those things human people call credit cards, not even for poker - just thinking about life here.

10-31-2009, 01:41 AM	#60 (permalink)
Taloo Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 709 -6 Internets	Mayhaps one of these days. No need or desire at the moment and moving again soon!