question for Sean and the uber crew

[monkaddict]

I know this is your guild message board, and its about Everquest. But as a lurker who finally started posting, I have to ask you something.

EQ is a game, the biggest skill involved is the ability to dedicate massive hours of your life sitting in front of a PC. If you can pay attention, invest the time practicing, and work together you can beat most anything. It isn't astro-physics, nor is it even chess. The rewards are virtual (unless you are an EBayer or PlayerAuctions seller) and at the end of the day when EQ is over all that will remain are your memories of the thousands of hours you spent playing it.

So my question is this: why do you feel the need to belittle virtually anyone who doesn't fit the FOH uber mold, labeling them gimps, losers, homos, or whatever the flame of the day is? Whats wrong with a guild that takes more people to kill an encounter, or uses a different method, as long as they are having fun? How does what another guild or player does affect your own gaming experience? If anything the ubers negatively impact others gaming experiences more than anyone by monopolizing spawns and denying content (i.e. farming Emp on respawn to cockblock VT) Who fucking cares what someone else does and why the need to inflate your own ego belittling them?

(and for the reference, I used to be in the top guild of my server before I quit the game for a while, so I was at the top of the game)

[Aspheris]

I know Sean and I had some word’s about this in the other topic about pop and being left behind and I know that for me the only problem I have ever really had with anyone in a guild more uber then mine was the attitude.

I don’t see anything wrong with a little guild P.R to be nice, Like I said your #1 there is no need to belittle anyone. But I can see how after years of dealing with people flaming you and coming to your message board talking shit would piss some people off to the point they flame anyone.

[Sirensa]

It really goes both ways you know...

Ubers hate non-ubers, non-ubers hate ubers. There is just as much uber bashing as there is "gimp" bashing. And to pretend otherwise, is to wallow in your own personal prejudices.

In addition - 99% of the bashing takes place on message boards - as people and guilds, at least in my experience, really tend to mind their own business when they are playing. Unless of course there is a conflict of interests - which generally results in both parties flaming each other - which generally leads to more uber vs. non-uber flaming on message boards.

See how it works? It's not astro-physics.. not even chess.

[Theramor Laeroth]

I can say that I've seen first hand about uber guilds cockblocking zones or denying content (both end game and regular).

Its a pretty sad sight honestly.

Why someone from an uber guild would deny content just to PL an alt is beyond me.

There is no reason for anyone to block content from others or belittle their gaming experience. Who the fuck cares if it takes 20 people from an_uber_guild00 to drop a mob compared to 50 from a_not_so_uber_guild00. Both drop the mob, both experience the content, both are having fun.

Yes, the biggest component you can give EQ is time, and with enough of it (and using your brain), there isn't anything you can't do.

[Sylvos]

Hello Mr. I'm an anonymous poster.
You do realize by your post you have taken on a holier than thou attitude which makes you even more an ass than someone who would call you a "gimp,homo,fag,etc..". Also coming into someone's 'house" so to say and commenting on their behavior is also bad form. If you don't like it, go away. No one forces you to go to this website other than your own compelling need to make yourself look "adult or mature" in the eyes of the tens of thousands of people who browse this site weekly.
So in short..."Piss off", or if you prefer something a bit less crass or offensive "Please go away".
Have a wonderful day.

[monkaddict]

There is a not so subtle difference though Sirensa. Admittedly a lot of the uber guild bashing is jealousy and whining, but much of it is also legitimate gripes relating to in-game actions. Steamrolling of spawns, cockblocking of content, and so on are the usual complaints. Maybe not on Veeshan where FOH is so far ahead of the rest, but definitely on other servers where the gap between 1 and 2,3,4 is not as great.

When the ubers flame the "lessers" it is more often in the deriding condescending tone displayed here in phrases like "stfu gimps and go back to Karnors." Whereas the "lesser" to uber flames more often relate to attitudes or in game actions than simple name calling and derision.

[Castigator]

Well, doing the freudian trick you might like to know that most people who fling about Homosexual references while cursing are by and large people with homoerotic tendencies they repress and fear to admit.
Take into account that many of the people that play EQ on a tight schedule will likely have a problem regarding regular social contacts, the more time you spend fostering virtual contacts instead of meeting real people, the worse the problem likely is.
(Also notice the low number (compared to real life) of admiting Homosexuals that play this Game)

Considering this the amount of repressed homosexually in EQ, especially among the so called "Uber-guilds" is likely staggering.

So obviously this only leaves us with one possible diagnosis --> Uber-players, most notably FoH-Members and especially Furor are most defenitly Gay!

Q.E.D.

[monkaddict]

In plain english for you Sylvos I will restate the simple question.


FOH is the most accomplished guild in Everquest. You guys rape new content before others even know it exists on a regular basis. You dominate your server and have the best and newest gear.

Knowing this, and being assured of your place in EQ, why would some of your members really care what other guilds do, or feel the need to belittle them and ridicule them as gimps? Why not be content to discuss high end content, problems with the game, and the like without descending to the flames?

All it serves to do is detract from a website that is the best source of information on the high end game.

[Sean]

I don't like most people. Most people annoy me in some way or another. You annoy me. Your views really annoy me, and I don't give a shit how you think I should act. Good enough? I see things differently than you, I act differently than you, don't expect every person to give everyone else any kind of "respect" and what not, not everyone is like that. This isn't about ego, I'm just a dick, and I don't like people. Do you know why I'm a dick? Because those gimp guilds ruined MY enjoyment time after time. They held up spawns dying over and over. They sat at places they had no business being. They zerged. They didn't go through progression, hell most of them leveled in gay ass out door areas that breed complete morons. I look down on them in contempt in this game because in this game they suck and have wasted MY time and I don't like them.

But what the fuck ever, it's ok for guilds who haven't properly geared up or learned the game to waste hours of my online time I guess. After all, uber people's time doesn't matter, does it? I guess not. I mean hell, we spent the time to gear up, to learn the game, to do things properly... but they shouldn't have to right? They should just sit there wasting time dying over and over again fucking up my day.

P.S. And please, tell me you wouldn't be bitter if you had to put up with bullshit from people for almost 4 years. I've had people waste my time constantly - not to mention the days when people constantly called us exploiters because we could do things they couldn't, but it was really they just totally sucked. Now those days, those days really pissed me off.

[Castigator]

I don't like most people. Most people annoy me in some way or another.

Now of course, once said generel reluctance to confront people and life in a sozial environment carry over into the virtual world of an online game where any interaction is already cloaked by impersonal, stylized Avatars, the patient might likely start to show symptoms of advanced behavioral problems.. violent outbursts including.

A most interesting case I admit...


/snicker

[Sirensa]

Maybe not on Veeshan where FOH is so far ahead of the rest, but definitely on other servers where the gap between 1 and 2,3,4 is not as great.

Well we don't really care about the heirarchy of guilds on other servers - yet those are the "gimps" that come and complain on our boards. If the ubers on your server are such a problem - complain to them, not to us. Or do you even play anymore?

Whereas the "lesser" to uber flames more often relate to attitudes or in game actions than simple name calling and derision.

You are displaying your innate prejudice against ubers again. We are the no-life pimply-faced ugly overweight non-high school grad virgins with no job, living in mom's basement, surviving on jolt cola and leftover pizza, or is that just our reputation based on in game actions?

[Sean]

Wtf, Jolt and Pizza suck. Sprite and A&W burgers!

[Aspheris]

Sean your posts are so nice on the rangers glade.
But i understand your point.

[Callon]

well, at least sean's honest about being a dick.

Who are you to complain about another guild attempting an encounter just because they find out that they're not strong enough yet? I guess you could go on and on about how they should have realized that ahead of time, but oh well. Some people have to try it and fail. If they get beat badly enough, they'll probably realize that they need to go level/gear up more before doing it again. If they instead come close to winning, then obviously no one should complain about them giving it a shot. They might win next time. It sucks that you feel the need to flame them for testing their abilities just because they fail a lot more than your guild. If it's some messed up thing where them failing somehow blows the spawn for the week or a few days or whatever, that's just crappy game design. I'd blame Verant for that one, not the guild who wiped.

The attitude that lesser guilds should leave your game content alone and stop wasting your time by dying to stuff you don't think they're good enough for yet is exactly why most of them probably don't like you. You obviously don't like them either, so I guess you're even.

[gn0me]

Originally posted by monkaddict
So my question is this: why do you feel the need to belittle virtually anyone who doesn't fit the FOH uber mold, labeling them gimps, losers, homos, or whatever the flame of the day is?

Ever stop to think that you just might actually be a gimp, loser, or homo? I'm sure that just maybe, during one of your hour long buff sessions preparing for Vindicator or one of your corpse runs in The Overthere, that that thought could have dawned upon you. If I were you, I would take Sean's comments as constructive criticism and try to improve upon them, because they obviously struck close to home.

Now my question for you: Why do you feel so oppressed by the comments of someone over a message board? Doesn't it strike you as funny that someone has that kind of control over you through a gaming forum? Seems to me you're just a weak willed little bitch if you allow a few meaningless flames to knock your self worth down so far you have to come here to cry about it.