McCain vs. Obama

[Vinen]

Originally Posted by Khorum

HIS NAME is forced propaganda? Not me calling him everything from a muslim manchurian candidate to some cock-addled porch-babboon? LOL? I mean, I'm sure you're right and all but uh...I've called him a lot worse things than HUSSEIN but doesn't it strike you as the height of absurdity that these folks get hung up on the man's NAME? Fucking LOL.

It's his name. I didn't make it up and in fact he gave it BACK to himself after living as "Barry Soetoro" for ten years. Barack Hussein Obama has no problem with his name. I don't have a problem with his name. Why do YOU have a problem with Barack Hussein Obama's name?

Khorum, if people don't want his middle named used then he can just be BO-

[Kolle]

There's a fair portion of ignorant americans who hear his middle name and automatically associate it with muslim/terrorist. Which is stupid by itself seeing as how the man who made that name well known was not a serious muslim and was an enemy to terrorist organizations in his country.

Republicans know this block of dumbass, ignorant americans exist. Some of them make it a point to repeat his middle name far and above what they would do for any other person...ever. They make an effort in remembering to recite his full name for the expressed purpose of propagandizing those ignorant americans. Meanwhile they'll throw their hands up and pretend there's nothing to it, all the while claiming they are just saying his name with no ill intent. Or they may claim they are just trying to annoy obama supporters. A perfect example is in this very thread as you can see.

There's plenty of stupid voters to go around, but I think most of them have sense enough to see past it. That and some of the other underhanded practices we currently see by republicans.

[Dokomo]

I have to say the rescue of 4 hostages in Colombia seems a little timed with McCain's visit there. Just like the end of the Iranian Hostage Crisis as well. If it is true, it is a smart move by McCain since he is already using it to show that world leaders trust him and want him involved. (Never mind that the President of Colombia recently altered his constitution to stay in power and is in general a scum-bag, but hey, he's OUR scumbag!)

[Sunder]

Originally Posted by Dokomo

(Never mind that the President of Colombia recently altered his constitution to stay in power and is in general a scum-bag, but hey, he's OUR scumbag!)

So was Saddam. Not agreeing/disagreeing with you, just saying.

[I'm Rich Bitch]

Originally Posted by Khorum

HIS NAME is forced propaganda? Not me calling him everything from a muslim manchurian candidate to some cock-addled porch-babboon? LOL? I mean, I'm sure you're right and all but uh...I've called him a lot worse things than HUSSEIN but doesn't it strike you as the height of absurdity that these folks get hung up on the man's NAME? Fucking LOL.

It's his name. I didn't make it up and in fact he gave it BACK to himself after living as "Barry Soetoro" for ten years. Barack Hussein Obama has no problem with his name. I don't have a problem with his name. Why do YOU have a problem with Barack Hussein Obama's name?

Obviously you are using his middle name as a way to imply to the dumbass Republican and Reagan Democrats that he is different and un-American. You do not say John Sidney McCain when you refer to the old geezer.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

Originally Posted by I'm Rich Bitch

Obviously you are using his middle name as a way to imply to the dumbass Republican and Reagan Democrats that he is different and un-American. You do not say John Sidney McCain when you refer to the old geezer.

Obviously he's using his middle name to get your goat you fucking retard. He's TROLLING you with that middle name. I know this because of the hundreds of relevant points he's made that you haven't bothered to counter because you're stuck on his use of Obama's middle name. Fucking dumbass liberals

[I'm Rich Bitch]

Originally Posted by Dr. Funkenstein

Obviously he's using his middle name to get your goat you fucking retard. He's TROLLING you with that middle name. I know this because of the hundreds of relevant points he's made that you haven't bothered to counter because you're stuck on his use of Obama's middle name. Fucking dumbass liberals

Name 1 relevant point that Khorum has made out of the "hundreds".

[Dr. Funkenstein]

Originally Posted by Khorum

Do YOU have any evidence that Obama will behave in any way like he has presented himself to be? Do you have ANY evidence that Barack Hussein Obama's SUBSTANCE (as per your insistence) consists of ANYTHING other than his decade-long dalliance with multi-billionaire arab power-brokers, avowed anti-american terrorists and palestinian hate supporters like Rashid Khalidi? Do YOU have any evidence that his behavior will veer substantially from the last two decades of association and cooperation with folks like the Woods Fund, the Farrakhan-sidekick Jeremiah Wright, Nadhmi Auchi, and Ali Ata?

Do you? Why can't ANY OF YOU ever just show us what it is about Obama's political and personal career has soooooo enthralled you into the conviction that he is anything like the man he has deluded you and the flock of syphilitic cunts who think like you into believing he is?

Why don't you just tell us how we're supposed to INTERPRET Obama's career of having the one of the worst attendance records in both the state and the US senate is supposed to inform this notion that we have an effective representative of the People's interests in him?

Don't change the subject just answer the focking question.

[I'm Rich Bitch]

Originally Posted by Dr. Funkenstein

Don't change the subject just answer the focking question.

My answer would be subjective and his retort is subjective therefore no need to answer. No past experience is applicable to being President. Plus no one knows what the President is going to encounter therefore you pick the smartest person. Obama is a hell of a lot smarter than a 71 year old "C" student whose claim to fame is being shot down.

[Dr. Funkenstein]

What the fuck is that? Personally, I want to hear one person give me a reason to vote for Obama. I'd love to want to vote for Obama. The closest I've ever heard to an answer is "He's different", "He's not Bush", "He'll bring change", "He'll unite the world"...which aren't answers at all.

So answer the fucking question. Why? Obama sounds like the guy running for Middle School President calling for longer recesses and soda machines in the hallways. His history doesn't show him to be a viable candidate, much less someone I'd vote for. Give me a reason. I'd love change, I'd just like to know what that change is going to be before I vote for it.

[Scientologist]

The only reason to vote for someone is if you agree with their policies. If you don't agree with Obama's policies, don't vote for him. If you do agree with him, then vote for him.

Good enough?

[Dokomo]

He will offer a national health care plan that does not force people into it, but allow a competitive alternative for some people who do not qualify for care currently.

[I'm Rich Bitch]

Originally Posted by Dr. Funkenstein

What the fuck is that? Personally, I want to hear one person give me a reason to vote for Obama. I'd love to want to vote for Obama. The closest I've ever heard to an answer is "He's different", "He's not Bush", "He'll bring change", "He'll unite the world"...which aren't answers at all.

So answer the fucking question. Why? Obama sounds like the guy running for Middle School President calling for longer recesses and soda machines in the hallways. His history doesn't show him to be a viable candidate, much less someone I'd vote for. Give me a reason. I'd love change, I'd just like to know what that change is going to be before I vote for it.

I could give a shit if you vote for Obama or not. He does not need your vote. Obama will be President without it. Why the fuck would you vote for a 71 year old "C" student? Each person has to answer that questions for themselves. You have answered it for the old koot. So be it.

Fuck you. Fuck McCain and fuck the Republican party. I will enjoy watching your disintegration. Swift boat that mother fucker.

[Soriak]

Also consider the upside of having a change in the guard every once in a while. Doesn't matter if it's labor or business, but neither side should get prime access to government all the time. (heck, neither should, but that's not realistic)

Merchants and master manufacturers are ... the two classes of people who commonly employ the largest capitals, and who by their wealth draw to themselves the greatest share of the public consideration. As during their whole lives they are engaged in plans and projects, they have frequently more acuteness of understanding than the greater part of country gentlemen. As their thoughts, however, are commonly exercised rather about the interest of their own particular branch of business, than about that of the society, their judgment, even when given with the greatest candour (which it has not been upon every occasion) is much more to be depended upon with regard to the former of those two objects than with regard to the latter. Their superiority over the country gentleman is not so much in their knowledge of the public interest, as in their having a better knowledge of their own interest than he has of his. It is by this superior knowledge of their own interest that they have frequently imposed upon his generosity, and persuaded him to give up both his own interest and that of the public, from a very simple but honest conviction that their interest, and not his, was the interest of the public. The interest of the dealers, however, in any particular branch of trade or manufactures, is always in some respects different from, and even opposite to, that of the public. To widen the market and to narrow the competition, is always the interest of the dealers. To widen the market may frequently be agreeable enough to the interest of the public; but to narrow the competition must always be against it, and can serve only to enable the dealers, by raising their profits above what they naturally would be, to levy, for their own benefit, an absurd tax upon the rest of their fellow-citizens. The proposal of any new law or regulation of commerce which comes from this order ought always to be listened to with great precaution, and ought never to be adopted till after having been long and carefully examined, not only with the most scrupulous, but with the most suspicious attention. It comes from an order of men whose interest is never exactly the same with that of the public, who have generally an interest to deceive and even to oppress the public, and who accordingly have, upon many occasions, both deceived and oppressed it.

Bet you don't guess the source

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Wealth of Nations, Adam Smith

[Kolle]

Originally Posted by Dr. Funkenstein

Personally, I want to hear one person give me a reason to vote for Obama.

There are many. I could give you a single word: judges. That's hardly all it's about, though. If you paid attention to anything so far then you know where obama stands on many issues. Compare those to mccain's stances.

I don't trust mccain with our firepower. He lost all credibility with me on that front when he decided to sing "bomb bomb iran" as if killing tons of people was a fucking joke. Somehow it's cool to murder lots of innocent people because they're muslim. So for issues like war and diplomacy with other countries, i trust obama far more than i do mccain. Obama is a great deal more intelligent and the extra years didn't deliver extra wisdom to mccain apparently. I can overlook gaffs. This particular one bothers me more than the rest. In the crowd you have this bigot, ignorant american that thinks we can solve our problems by just bombing someone. He obviously thinks it's ok to just bomb the fuck outa Iran because they're all muslims and therefore terrorist scumbags. Mccain goes along with this assholes sentiment quite happily.