McCain vs. Obama

[Kolle]

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** UPDATE BELOW **

Newsweek is set to publish a highly embarrassing report on Sen. John McCain, revealing that the McCains have failed to pay taxes on their beach-front condo in La Jolla, California, for the last four years and are currently in default, The Huffington Post has learned.

Under California law, once a residential property is in default for five years, it can be sold at a tax sale to recover the unpaid taxes for the taxpayers.

The McCains own at least seven homes through a variety of trusts and corporations controlled by Cindy McCain.

UPDATE: Newsweek's story is now online. The report notes that the McCains paid the bulk of their back taxes yesterday, but continue to owe additional taxes:

When you're poor, it can be hard to pay the bills. When you're rich, it's hard to keep track of all the bills that need paying. It's a lesson Cindy McCain learned the hard way when NEWSWEEK raised questions about an overdue property-tax bill on a La Jolla, Calif., property owned by a trust that she oversees. Mrs. McCain is a beer heiress with an estimated $100 million fortune and, along with her husband, she owns at least seven properties, including condos in California and Arizona. [...]


Shortly after NEWSWEEK inquired about the matter, the McCain aide e-mailed a receipt dated Friday, June 27, confirming payment by the trust to San Diego County in the amount of $6,744.42. County officials say the trust still owes an additional $1,742 for this year, an amount that is overdue and will go into default July 1. Told of the outstanding $1,742, the aide said: "The trust has paid all bills shown owing as of today and will pay all other bills due."

McCains Defaulted On Home Taxes For Last Four Years, Newsweek Reports - Politics on The Huffington Post

[spronk]

forgetting to pay his bills will possibly win him some black votes

[Malakriss]

Originally Posted by spronk

forgetting to pay his bills will possibly win him some black votes

Except that he paid the bills and never experienced foreclosure. So now he'll lose even more.

[Erumaron]

Here's a gem. My buddy sent it to me with the phrase "october suprise?" attached.

Report: U.S. 'preparing the battlefield' in Iran - CNN.com

[Requiem]

Iran's parliament speaker, Ali Larijani, warned other countries against moves that would "cost them heavily." In comments that appeared in the semi-official Mehr news agency Sunday, an Iranian general said his troops were digging more than 320,000 graves to bury troops from any invading force with "the respect they deserve."

"Under the law of war and armed conflict, necessary preparations must be made for the burial of soldiers of aggressor nations," said Maj. Gen. Mirfaisal Baqerzadeh, an Iranian officer in charge of identifying soldiers missing in action.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... *breathe*.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You go with your dilapidated 70s F-14 airframes that you can't even properly arm or keep in the air and your shitty soviet mechanized infantry.

Do they think that anybody cares enough about Iran to actually invade it? This isn't going to be an Iraqi Freedom, it's going to be a Desert Storm. They should focus on manufacturing and distributing white flags for their own troops instead. Hopefully if our government is stupid enough to commit to this they actually kill the leadership this time though.

[Arbitrary]

He's not leaving office without taking at least making a strike against Iran.

My personal prediction is that Israel will begin a major attack and be unwilliningly drug into another large scale conflict because we must defend our allies or some shit.

[renaissance]

The GOP already expects to lose six seats in the Senate this cycle. If the Bush administration openly attacks Iran before November, they can bank on losing a lot more than that.

[GrobbeeTrull2.0]

Originally Posted by Requiem

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... *breathe*.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You go with your dilapidated 70s F-14 airframes that you can't even properly arm or keep in the air and your shitty soviet mechanized infantry.

Do they think that anybody cares enough about Iran to actually invade it? This isn't going to be an Iraqi Freedom, it's going to be a Desert Storm. They should focus on manufacturing and distributing white flags for their own troops instead. Hopefully if our government is stupid enough to commit to this they actually kill the leadership this time though.

Why do they need to kill the leadership? Because they say things we don't like?

[Requiem]

No, because it goes part and parcel with removing the entire country's teeth. We failed in that respect during Desert Storm, which was a strategic mistake.

Are you seriously trying to act like that would be some horrendous offense given blowing the shit out of the entire country becoming a reality? At that point it's no longer a question of right or wrong, it's a strategic matter.

[Soriak]

Originally Posted by Requiem

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.... *breathe*.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You go with your dilapidated 70s F-14 airframes that you can't even properly arm or keep in the air and your shitty soviet mechanized infantry.

Do they think that anybody cares enough about Iran to actually invade it? This isn't going to be an Iraqi Freedom, it's going to be a Desert Storm. They should focus on manufacturing and distributing white flags for their own troops instead. Hopefully if our government is stupid enough to commit to this they actually kill the leadership this time though.

This is probably a response to Israel's current flexing. They're openly practicing for airstrikes against Iran.

Iran has a population of 70 million, with a military consisting of about 1m active members and probably just as many more who could quickly be mobilized. (Iran has a militia on top of its professional military) Their armed forces were called the most powerful in the Middle East by the US General of the region.

Hypothetical war scenarios always end up in dick waving, so let's not start it in this thread also. At the very least we can probably agree that it would be a costly war for the US - both in lives and economically - and that Iran could, if all else fails, still make a huge mess in Iraq. The economic damage, by the way, wouldn't come from an occupation - that's never going to happen, the country is too big and its citizen aren't going to surrender - but from a massive increase in the price of oil and gas, which Iran is a major supplier of. (behind Saudi Arabia the largest exporter of OPEC, 2nd largest natural gas reserves)

[Requiem]

Originally Posted by Soriak

This is probably a response to Israel's current flexing. They're openly practicing for airstrikes against Iran.

Iran has a population of 70 million, with a military consisting of about 1m active members and probably just as many more who could quickly be mobilized. (Iran has a militia on top of its professional military) Their armed forces were called the most powerful in the Middle East by the US General of the region.

Hypothetical war scenarios always end up in dick waving, so let's not start it in this thread also. At the very least we can probably agree that it would be a costly war for the US - both in lives and economically - and that Iran could, if all else fails, still make a huge mess in Iraq. The economic damage, by the way, wouldn't come from an occupation - that's never going to happen, the country is too big and its citizen aren't going to surrender - but from a massive increase in the price of oil and gas, which Iran is a major supplier of. (behind Saudi Arabia the largest exporter of OPEC, 2nd largest natural gas reserves)

I understand all of that, and I don't think it's a good plan, but if either Israel or USA (or both) decide to fly in there with F-22s, F-15s, B-2s, F-117As, AWACS, M1Ax, Apache Longbows, surveillance drones, etc there isn't going to be any sort of substantial death toll for the aggressors. It'll be Desert Storm all over again. In and out in a couple weeks, complete devastation of all of Iran's military assets and anything else that looks fun to blow up. Guess who had the most powerful military in the middle east circa 1992?

I'm not debating that it would be a bad idea economically or even from a moral perspective, but they are talking about digging 320,000 graves to bury aggressors in. Ridiculous.

[renaissance]

Originally Posted by Requiem

I understand all of that, and I don't think it's a good plan, but if either Israel or USA (or both) decide to fly in there with F-22s, F-15s, B-2s, F-117As, AWACS, M1Ax, Apache Longbows, surveillance drones, etc there isn't going to be any sort of substantial death toll for the aggressors. It'll be Desert Storm all over again. In and out in a couple weeks, complete devastation of all of Iran's military assets and anything else that looks fun to blow up. Guess who had the most powerful military in the middle east circa 1992?

I'm not debating that it would be a bad idea economically or even from a moral perspective, but they are talking about digging 320,000 graves to bury aggressors in. Ridiculous.

You're pretty naive to think Israel wouldn't suffer any casualties on its soil if there were an attack on Iran by the west.

Not to mention Russia's inevitable involvement, and China's probable displeasure with the disruption in oil exports.

[Soriak]

The number is of course way off - Israel and the US don't even have that many pilots.

Airstrikes wouldn't be without danger though, Iran has been investing heavily in its air defense systems for quite a few years now. They've got their hands on Russian and I believe French hardware - I'm sure not all of it outdated... the high oil and gas prices should have allowed them to purchase some state of the art stuff. If there's one thing that's certain, then it's that weapons always find their way to someone who's willing to pay good money.

[Requiem]

Originally Posted by renaissance

You're pretty naive to think Israel wouldn't suffer any casualties on its soil if there were an attack on Iran by the west.

Not to mention Russia's inevitable involvement, and China's probable displeasure with the disruption in oil exports.

I don't think that Israel wouldn't suffer any casualties on its own soil. The point is that Iran is talking about killing 320,000+ enemy troops on their soil. They wouldn't be burying people that died in Israel in graves in Iran.

[renaissance]

Originally Posted by Requiem

I don't think that Israel wouldn't suffer any casualties on its own soil. The point is that Iran is talking about killing 320,000+ enemy troops on their soil. They wouldn't be burying people that died in Israel in graves in Iran.

Bleh that's just posturing from an enemy that knows it is weaker.