McCain vs. Obama

[Kaio]

Originally Posted by Adam12

Yes wtf? FISA is a bullshit, how can he turn his back on his base now?

I agree that is fucking completely ass ><. I absolutely hate anything that gives the government more authority where it isn't critical. It starts to reduce our individual privacy and rights more and more. Short term this seems like barely anything but in the longterm shit like this adds up.

Not giving the telecoms immunity would have sent a strong signal to them. Don't openly give out information just because some government agent or even fucking private organizations asked without proper warrants.

[Simas]

Obama: I'll Fight To Strip Telecom Immunity From FISA - Horserace

About FISA and trying to remove the telecom immunity. It prob wont get removed but its politics, hell be able to say he fought to get it removed but the republicans wouldnt let it happen and then point out how he was willing to meet them in the middle, bi-partisan etc etc

Politics wont change if Obama is elected, just the face of politics will change.

To be clear I have no problems with that.

[Scientologist]

Originally Posted by Kaio

Like it or not there are a significant number of racists (or at least anti-black) sentiment in your state and your time would be better spent talking to people there. I'm sure tons of whites there aren't particularly racists...hopefully, but there still are tons that are.

You're in a better situation to affect change in your state then most of us. That is unless you live in a part of the state with very few racists and or very few blacks!

You mean to tell me that rural, ignorant, white people with little to no contact with black people their whole lives might still hold the bigoted views passed on to them from their parents, a great majority of which won't go onto college after graduating from their hole in a wall high school or even leave a 50 mile radius of their home?

Durr, no fucking shit sherlock. It's what they were born into and have very little chance of changing it. The fact remains that they are mostly good people and wouldn't think twice about helping someone who needed it whether they be black, white, yellow, red, or purple(Unless they're queer. Then their shit of luck).

Trust me, I know plenty about the racism and bigotry in this state and the effects it has and the avenues in which it expressed. I'll thank you not to assume you know a single fucking thing about my life in this state or whether or not I'm "affecting change" in these poor ignorant fucks.

[Kolle]

blacks are gonna vote for obama because he's half black. obama will lose states like wv because he's half black. well, that and quite a few people there are so fucking ignorant they think he's a muslim with an anti-white/american agenda.

[I'm Rich Bitch]

Originally Posted by Scientologist

Trust me, I know plenty about the racism and bigotry in this state and the effects it has and the avenues in which it expressed. I'll thank you not to assume you know a single fucking thing about my life in this state or whether or not I'm "affecting change" in these poor ignorant fucks.

Hey Scientologist. You may want to reconsider your vote for McCain. He is going to open the door to them foreigners.

She went to the meeting, a room full of 150-200 people. “Sure enough,” Pulido says, “his mantra at the meeting was comprehensive immigration reform.’ And there were cheers and applause whenever he mentioned comprehensive immigration reform.”

“Then he said, ‘I bet some of you don’t know this — did you know Spanish was spoken in Arizona before English?’ And the crowd roared. I was appalled,” Pulido said. “He was pandering to these people — that’s what they wanted to hear.”…

“He was telling one group of people one thing and the Hispanics another,” says Pulido. “I’m a conservative and I think he’s throwing conservatives under the bus.”…

What she saw of John McCain Wednesday night … makes her inclined right now to support Constitution Party candidate Chuck Baldwin.

McCain does not hold one of your traditional West Virginia values that has been passed down from your parents; Xenophobia. Might as well vote for the Nigger. What a predicament for y'all; a spic lover or a nigger. Which one will it be?

[Simas]

This has been around for a week or two but if ya havent seen it yet, Nas dropped an Obama track

[Tred]

Yah that fucking sucked not even remotely close to Yes We Can. Nas needs to just stop. Forever.

[FulorianC]

There needs to be an option to sacrifice your own internets to reduce others. IRB seriously should be in 4 digits by now.

Living in the south my entire life, I've never encountered anyone remotely as hateful or vitriolic of someone based on unchangable circumstances of life (such as region of birth or skin color).

You really should step outside your box sometime. Racism isn't nearly as prevalent in the south as you'd like to think. I dare say it will be gone within twenty years, as the generation coming up reaches maturity and everyone pre-Boomer is dead. Sure, a bunch of old folks and a few hicks hate the black man. Your little video just showed a half dozen hicks in a small town, most of whom were elderly or approaching it.

I'd love to see the unedited footage from that. You know, the dozens of people who answered in a straightforward manner that either they favored the policies of McCain/Hillary over Obama (he's the most liberal of the three, McCain and Hillary both try hard to seem centrist), or that they would in fact support Obama. But it's harder to support the DailyKos agenda of persecution by not editing them out and leaving in the snaggle-toothed Appalachia minority.

[Scientologist]

Originally Posted by I'm Rich Bitch

I'M A FUCKHEAD.

Once again, go fuck yourself. I did vote for the "nigger" in the primary and plan to do so in the general. I've met Nazis that were less bigoted than you.

[I'm Rich Bitch]

Typical McCain/Sean Hannity Supporter from the Axis of Ignorance.

[Araxen]

Originally Posted by I'm Rich Bitch

Might as well vote for the Nigger. What a predicament for y'all; a spic lover or a nigger. Which one will it be?

This is why you are the most -internetz person on the board. Just in case you haven't figured it out yet.

[FulorianC]

Kegkilla has even lower internets, but then again, he's also kegkilla.

[Araxen]

I stand corrected on the -internetz stat.

[Burf]

Originally Posted by Simas

At least we dont have the most unpopular president in modern american history =)

Right. You've got Congress.

[Soriak]

Will: Nudge Against the Fudge | Newsweek Voices - George F. Will | Newsweek.com

Barack Obama is a "choice architect" aiming to implement "libertarian paternalism." He might not know that he is; he might embrace the practice without understanding the theory. It is adumbrated in the new book "Nudge" by two occasional and informal advisers to Obama, both of whom are former colleagues of his at the University of Chicago, Richard H. Thaler of the Graduate School of Business, and Cass R. Sunstein of the Law School.

Beginning this autumn, Sunstein, while retaining a connection with Chicago, will teach primarily at Harvard, an act of downward mobility that illustrates a central tenet of "Nudge," that even intelligent and analytical people often make foolish choices. Thaler and Sunstein correctly assume that people are busy, their lives are increasingly complicated and they have neither time nor inclination nor, often, the ability to think through even all important choices, from health care plans to retirement options. Therefore the framing of choices matters, particularly using the enormous power of the default option—the option that goes into effect if the chooser chooses not to make a choice.

For example, Obama advocates that where defined contribution savings plans such as 401(k)s are offered, there should be automatic—note well: not mandatory—enrollment by employers of new workers. Contributions to such plans are tax deductible, taxes are deferred on the accumulating money and often employers match part of the employees' contributions. What is at stake is, essentially, free money. Yet when an employee must affirmatively opt in, participation falls far below 100 percent. Obama's proposal would simply change the default option: Employees are in unless they choose to opt out, which they would be free to do.

Abundant evidence indicates that most would not, which would serve the national interest because Americans' savings rate is a disgrace. In fact, in 2005 it turned negative, and if insufficient saving persists, that inevitably will mean bigger government to provide for people who have not provided for themselves.

Such is the power of inertia in human behavior, and the tendency of individuals to emulate others' behavior, that there can be huge social consequences from the clever framing of the choices that nudgeable people—almost all of us—make. Choice architects understand that every choice is made in a context, and that contexts are not "neutral"—they inevitably encourage certain outcomes. Organizing the context can promote outcomes beneficial to choosers and, cumulatively, to society.

As the song says, little things mean a lot. Where you put the fruit or the fudge in a school cafeteria—apples first in the line? desserts in a separate line?—shapes children's diets, substantially increasing or decreasing consumption of particular items.

By a "nudge" Thaler and Sunstein mean a policy intervention into choice architecture that is easy and inexpensive to avoid and that alters people's behavior in a predictable way without forbidding any options or significantly changing an individual's economic incentives. "Putting the fruit at eye level counts as a nudge. Banning junk food does not."

Employers can creatively nudge by designing plans that synchronize employees' automatically increased savings with pay increases: Saving becomes less painful—less noticeable—because take-home pay does not decline.

Perhaps 60 percent of the close to 100,000 people on waiting lists to receive organs for transplants will die before receiving the donated organ they need. The largest obstacle to increased donations is the need to get the consent of members of the families of deceased persons who did not register prior consent. Solution? Better default rules. When people are issued driver's licenses, they could be required to click "yes" or "no" to consent. Or—a stronger default rule—they could be told that consent is presumed unless they click "no." Such framing of choices substantially increases participation in organ donation programs.

Some states enable compulsive gamblers to put themselves on lists of people banned from casinos. Think of Ulysses having himself lashed to the mast so that he cannot succumb to temptation by the Sirens.

Arguably the most cost-effective thing government does is nudge by disseminating information. Granted, some informational nudges are useless: "The Department of Homeland Security has raised the National Threat Advisory to Orange." (So? What if it were Chartreuse?) But governmental nudges about smoking and other health-related behavior have saved millions of lives. Suppose the mandatory stickers on new cars told prospective buyers not just the vehicles' miles per gallon but the cost of 10,000 miles of driving at the prevailing cost of a gallon?

Thaler and Sunstein say the premise of libertarian policy is that people should be generally free to do what they please. Paternalistic policy "tries to influence choices in a way that will make choosers better off, as judged by themselves." So "libertarian paternalism is a relatively weak, soft, and nonintrusive type of paternalism because choices are not blocked, fenced off, or significantly burdened."

Thaler and Sunstein stress that if "incentives and nudges replace requirements and bans, government will be both smaller and more modest." So nudges have the additional virtue of annoying those busybody, nanny-state liberals who, as the saying goes, do not care what people do as long as it is compulsory.