McCain vs. Obama

[Kolle]

khorum and irb's comment sheets are quite entertaining. good job guys.

[Khorum]

Originally Posted by Kolle

so you admit to not knowing the content of 99.9% of his sermons? i'm curious if that's the case since obama was listening to rabid hatemongering for 20 years. i'm a little confused. if the sermons aren't available then how would someone know what obama had been hearing? when someone says obama was listening to wright's hateful sermons for 20 years, are they guessing?

What's so confusing? I just fucking TOLD you why not you nor anyone else needs to sift through 20 years of sermons to see what Wright was all about, he's been forthcoming about the core of his message when he told the New York Times that '“When [Obama's] enemies find out that in 1984 I went to Tripoli” to visit Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi, Mr. Wright recalled, “with Farrakhan, a lot of his Jewish support will dry up quicker than a snowball in hell.”"

I admited that like everyone else who's paid attention to Wright's vocal speeches at the NAACP or the National Press Club, we know the relevant content and form of not just 99.9% of his sermons but all 100% of it. WRIGHT himself has openly exclaimed how "reasonable" and "sensible" he thinks his sermons were. Not ONLY has Wright confirmed what he has been preaching for the last 20 years WITHOUT ANY EQUIVOCATION WHATSOEVER, he has continued to leave no doubt that he remains as vocal a supporter of Farrakhan and his message even to the NAACP, long after Obama's "denunciation" of him. I, you and ANYONE who can pay attention know the full depth and range of Wright's message without needing to sit through ALL of his sermons __nor__ listening to some FOX or MSNBC interpretation of them, just listen to the man summarize it himself.

Are you saying you need more "LOLZEVIDENCE" of Wright's caustic bullshit? You think the fact that noone gives enough of a shit to record ALL of his 20 years of sermons onto youtube is some kind of fucking GOTCHA? LMAO.

Why would ANYONE need to fucking guess about Obama's genuine affection for Jeremiah Wright's message when Obama waxed poetic about his conversion into Wright's interpretation of Liberation Theology in his book Dreams of Our Fathers and then Obama expanded on his admiration for Wright's brazen hatemongering in this later book, written ALMOST A DECADE LATER, The Audacity of Hope. Hell, The Audacity of Hope was even titled after one of Wright's most fervent speeches.

In fact, up until Obama's staff decided it might not be politically convenient, Obama was PROUD to select Jeremiah Wright to officially announce his presidential candidacy for him, only changing his mind at the last minute. Despite 20 years of fond--and in Obama's own words---tearful acquiescence in the hateful victimization-based pity-politics that Wright championed, we're expected to believe that Obama has really changed his mind about the man who baptised him into christianity no more than 19 years ago?

You still confused? You still wondering why a man like Wright, who grew up in the lap of middle-class affluence, would find so much to hate about America when black folks like Justice Clarence Thomas and Condi Rice who were REAL victims of oppression elevated themselves and their community DESPITE IT? You still confused why anyone would need to sit through a thousand sermons when Wright himself is more than happy to summarize his decades of hatred on National TV?

[Tred]

I totally agree with that message and to hear a presidential candidate say it is a breath of fresh air for me.

[I'm Rich Bitch]

Hey Republicans. Jim Webb is your worst nightmare. You better hope he is not the VP pick. Obama and Webb perfectly offset each other. Webb is dry enough and has the conservative credentials to get Republicans. Jim Webb is the messiah. If Webb gets the VP and Obama wins. Webb will change the Democratic party forever as will Obama. That may mean the end of the Republican party as we know it. Democrats would be in power for 16 straight years. Under a Webb presidency, Republicans would leave your dysfunctional party of hatred, lies, and distortions in droves.

I can not wait to see the disintegration and destruction of the Republican party. I will popping champagne for a month in celebration. That time is on the horizon.

[Soriak]

Originally Posted by I'm Rich Bitch

That may mean the end of the Republican party as we know it. Democrats would be in power for 16 straight years.

This is what the Republicans thought as recent as 2005 - just with their party on top. Of course underestimating your opponent is the biggest mistake you can make. The second biggest is setting the bar too high for yourself: in debates, Obama is going to have to put up a stellar performance, whereas McCain will have done well already if nobody in the audience falls asleep.

[I'm Rich Bitch]

Originally Posted by Soriak

This is what the Republicans thought as recent as 2005 - just with their party on top. Of course underestimating your opponent is the biggest mistake you can make. The second biggest is setting the bar too high for yourself: in debates, Obama is going to have to put up a stellar performance, whereas McCain will have done well already if nobody in the audience falls asleep.

Debates, issues, policies etc are irrelevant. Obama is far superior to McCain in every way. Even if he debate performance is as pathetic as the ABC News debate he will look better than McCain. We are going through the motions for every campaign activity to come.

This election comes down to Rev. Wright. Do people think Obama is Wright or not. That is the question. The answer to that question will determine the next President. Any other issue does not matter. The Republican party and their media outlets have brought political discussion down to the gutter. The gutter will decide elections for generations to come.

[Khorum]

Originally Posted by I'm Rich Bitch

Hey Republicans. Jim Webb is your worst nightmare. You better hope he is not the VP pick. Obama and Webb perfectly offset each other. Webb is dry enough and has the conservative credentials to get Republicans. Jim Webb is the messiah. If Webb gets the VP and Obama wins. Webb will change the Democratic party forever as will Obama. That may mean the end of the Republican party as we know it. Democrats would be in power for 16 straight years. Under a Webb presidency, Republicans would leave your dysfunctional party of hatred, lies, and distortions in droves.

You have NO fucking conception of what you're talking about. None whatsoever. At all. Webb __would__ change the Democratic party forever but not in any way you think, dumbfuck.

Do a quick search of Webb's politics real quick. Why don't you spend just a little time scrutinizing Webb's history and where his experience really comes from. Why don't you look at the reason he QUIT. That's asking too much already isn't it? You couldn't be bothered to look into Obama's history for any evidence of FAULT, how could we expect you to look into Webb's past for evidence of MERIT.

You would pop that champaigne and realize you're voting for the single most hegemonic military thinker of his generation: the very dude who wrote Micronesia and U.S. Pacific Strategy--a book which advocated preemptive action a full two decades before GWB. You would be making your toast in tribute of the guy Paul Wolfowitz himself called "the most aggressive strategist in Washington". You would be voting for the guy that was RONALD REAGAN'S secretary of the Navy but who had to resign because HE REFUSED to obey a congressional order to reduce the Navy's strength near the end of the cold war.

You think Dick Cheney was a cold warrior? This dude makes Oliver North look like an eagle scout wannabe. Not only does Webb THREATEN the left's faustian deal with the irrational antiwarniks that helped them squeeze a 2006 victory (which they wasted), but he would seal the final dislodgement of the Clinton moderates away from the Democrats.

As astonishing as your ability to misplace Al Gore and three decades of Tennessee Democratic service, this may just rank up there in your mounting pile of humiliating Faux Pas.

"Afraid" of Jim Webb? LMAO. You wanna know who suggested a Webb candidacy around here as far back as mid 2006? Go ahead and make a search.

[Soriak]

McCain's economic advisers - wtf...

Economists for Obama: The Other List: McCain's Economic Advisers

Who are the people who have left McCain confused about his own opinions? Here are his economic advisers mentioned in the press:

Doug Holtz-Eakin source
Holtz-Eakin is a formerly respected academic and government economist who has been reduced to making distortionary arguments to paper over the massive deficit black hole McCain's tax cuts would create.

Arthur Laffer source
Laffer is the originator of the Laffer curve, the fringe view that claims government revenue increases when tax rates are lowered. There is zero empirical evidence this is true at current tax rates. McCain has repeatedly said that he believes this foolishness, but Holtz-Eakin has said (also repeatedly) that McCain does not.

Phil Gramm source
Gramm is a lobbyist who was vice president of one of the investment houses most heavily implicated in the mortage industry scandal. As a senator he pushed for the banking deregulation that contributed to the current crisis. See more here.

Kevin Hassett source
Hassett has been widely ridiculed for writing the book Dow 36000: The New Strategy for Profiting from the Coming Rise in the Stock Market in 1999, predicting that the Dow would hit 36,000 within five years, if not sooner.

Donald Luskin source
Luskin has been repeatedly named the Stupidest Man Alive by Brad Delong. See here for an example. I can attest based on my own interaction with him a few years back that in addition to being not the sharpest tack in the box, he is also an extremely unpleasant person.

Carly Fiorina source
Fiorina was spectacularly fired from her previous job as CEO of HP. According to Times,

... Republicans say Ms. Fiorina is using the McCain campaign to rebuild her image after her explosive tenure at Hewlett-Packard. They also say it is hard to see why a woman widely criticized for mismanaging one of Silicon Valley’s legendary companies is advising and representing a candidate who acknowledged last year that he did not understand the economy as well as he should.

Regarding Fiorina, Jeffrey Sonnenfeld, the senior associate dean for executive programs at the Yale School of Management, says "What a blind spot this is in the McCain campaign to have elevated her stature and centrality in this way. You couldn’t pick a worse, non-imprisoned C.E.O. to be your standard-bearer.”

With clowns like these advising him, it's not surprising that doesn't even know what his own positions are on major questions of economic policy. Admittedly, there's a difficult problem of cause-and-effect here. Is he incoherent because he gets lousy advice, or is it his utter ignorance on economic issues that led him to seek guidance from this crew? As evidence for the latter hypothesis, he has said "The issue of economics is not something I've understood as well as I should," and made similar assertions on many occasions.

[Burf]

Originally Posted by Soriak

Of course underestimating your opponent is the biggest mistake you can make. The second biggest is setting the bar too high for yourself: in debates,

I thought the second was, "Never get involved in a land war in Asia."

[Snugglebear]

Phil Gramm was the red flag for me. Introducing that de-regulation legislation really fucked some folks. That kind of shadow market 'betting' has become a huge part of the market now. In his defense, when he endorsed this crap in 2001, I doubt Phil knew WTF it was.

[Ashes Emberblade]

IRB, you're no longer allowed to use the phrase "That may mean the end of the Republican party as we know it." You use it at least once a page. Get over yourself.

[I'm Rich Bitch]

John McCain is blatantly lying about Obama's stand on taxes as he lied about Romney's stand on pulling out of Iraq during the Republican primary. McCain is repeating over and over that Obama wants to raise taxes. Obama has repeatedly said he is lowing taxes.

At best, McCain is senile and can not understand Obama's position on taxes or at worst he is just lying for political gain. McCain is very confused on a host of issues. That is of great concern. McCain shows his age each time he speaks. He should not be allowed to become President because of his age. We need a age cut off on President. John McCain is not fit to be President because of his old age. It is really as simple as that.

[Dis]

Related concerning special priviledges by our Congress and the mortgage sector:

Bloomberg.com: Worldwide

[Angerz]

Oldness We Can Believe In.

[Bristlebane]

I'm completely SHOCKED (sarcasm.) Joe "Israel First" Lieberman dislikes Obama because of his ideas about Iran and Israel.

My Way News - Lieberman irks Democrats by criticizing Obama

"If Israel is in danger today, it's not because of American foreign policy, which has been strongly supportive of Israel in every way," he said. "It is not because of what we have done in Iraq. It is because Iran is a fanatical terrorist, expansionist state."

Lieberman accused Obama of blaming U.S. policies for "essentially sort of strengthening" Iran.

Lieberman has wasted no time in questioning Obama's positions on Iran and Israel

Guess what, Joe? America isn't Israel's fucking lapdog. At least, we shouldn't be. Fuck policy for Israel. We're not Israel.