MMOs as an outlet for [future] child predators?

[torrent495]

Originally Posted by Kaylena

They are absolutely activists in my mind... Yup, using a game like WoW to make your political agendas known.

Why do you think there's a conspiracy here to promote pedophilia? Or if there is, why are the people in the OP necessarily a part of it? I can totally believe that these are just some sickos who fantasize about fucking children, and who also like playing WoW.

[Sanrith DesCartes]

People talk about Blizzard's right to do this or that and if what this guild of human rejects are doing is legal. I won't comment on the legal because I am not a lawyer or a cop. As for Blizzard, they have the ultimate power to deal with this. "I am sorry friend, but we at Blizzard are no longer interested in you as a valued customer. When your subscription expires at the end of the month we will no longer be renewing it. Have a nice day." No ban, no suspensions we just do not choose to serve you anymore. There is no constitutional or God given right to play WoW.

[Kaylena]

Originally Posted by torrent495

Why do you think there's a conspiracy here to promote pedophilia? Or if there is, why are the people in the OP necessarily a part of it? I can totally believe that these are just some sickos who fantasize about fucking children, and who also like playing WoW.

I think if they were interested in playing a game, they would be advertising their guild based on their progression and class needs, instead of focusing on their sexual panderings.

Instead, there is no gaming focus, at least that I can see. They have a handful of 70's, if that, within a sea of lower levels -- some of which were are so interested, they haven't logged on since January. They wear pvp gear or random drops. Where's the game they are interested in playing? I don't see it.

And with a previous guild name of "Dirty Little Secret", I have much doubt that gaming is her true interest.

Oh and from what I heard, one look at her website would confirm all that. Some kid is in there now still crying because he threw up. I'm not lying.

[Twobit Whore]

Originally Posted by Kaylena

I think if they were interested in playing a game, they would be advertising their guild based on their progression and class needs, instead of focusing on their sexual panderings.

Not everyone plays WoW to beat raid content. Some (probably most) just recruit people who fit in with the guild and whatever happens happens.

[Mist]

Originally Posted by Kaylena

progression and class needs

So the 50%+ of players who neither raid or even ever get to level 70 must all have some hidden agenda too?

[Vatoreus]

About what people were asking what the line is, it's up to the mods of the private forums. It's up to them to decide what they will and won't allow on their websites or video games, but if at any point they aren't breaking laws, the authorities should not be brought into the issue.

[Kaylena]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

Not everyone plays WoW to beat raid content. Some (probably most) just recruit people who fit in with the guild and whatever happens happens.

True, but not in her case imo. If you Google Section 2257 on Child Pornography, you'll see what a stink they made about it politically. I work as a Paralegal and I hear a lot of the political ramblings that lawyers banter about all day long.. and night for that matter. This is one of them.

These interest groups consistently point to how passing this or that would infringe upon your freedom of speech. They get the fear factor out there. This is nothing new with them. Lilith's posts mimick that language almost down to the letter and that's where she shows me she's not only read it too, she sounds just like the articles.

When I look at her guild profile and her recruitment statements, she only confirms it even more for me.

[Kaylena]

Originally Posted by Mist

So the 50%+ of players who neither raid or even ever get to level 70 must all have some hidden agenda too?

No, but it sure is interesting these groups have a primary focus of SEX instead of Gruul, huh?

[Twobit Whore]

It's more interesting that you are on a personal crusade against them. It doesn't matter what you think, only what the law and Blizzard think. The law says they aren't doing anything illegal and we don't know what Blizzard thinks. Most of us think that what they are doing is disgusting but very few of us think it is illegal nor SHOULD it be illegal as that is one huge size 13 foot in the door to getting anything that Tipper Gore and her ilk deem unsavory removed from all video games.

[Kaylena]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

It's more interesting that you are on a personal crusade against them. It doesn't matter what you think, only what the law and Blizzard think. The law says they aren't doing anything illegal and we don't know what Blizzard thinks. Most of us think that what they are doing is disgusting but very few of us think it is illegal nor SHOULD it be illegal as that is one huge size 13 foot in the door to getting anything that Tipper Gore and her ilk deem unsavory removed from all video games.

I beg to differ with you as my interest is the law, it's my career, not a personal crusade.

I also disagree with you on the law, in that when you have minors in an online environment and you solicit sexual activity, you are at risk for breaking the law if you get caught engaging in illegal activities with a minor. Because you should have known better. It is NOT a defense to say you had no intention to meet them, you were in a fantasy role, or didn't know exactly for sure, etc., etc. It's not a defense under the law.

[Kaylena]

As for Tipper Gore, she parrots Hillary Clinton, who wants ALL violent content in video games removed from the eyes of children.

It was the Bush administration who promoted the child predator laws.

[Twobit Whore]

It doesn't matter what political party does what. This isn't a child predator case. They aren't looking for children, they are looking for adults who will act like children in erotic roleplay. There is a difference. Anyway, if pedoblogger man can't be charged with anything despite having guides and tutorials on how to stalk children then some toons in a video game aren't going to face charges either.

[Pyros]

What I fail to understand in this thread(but I didn't read most of it), is what's the point of making such a thread besides advertising. If you think the law is on your side, then you should just report it to someone who cares/will act upon it. I don't know much about the law myself, and while it might sound a little bit hard to believe you could get condemned for roleplaying a kid having sex with someone else without knowing if it's a real kid or not, if that's the case then fine do report them.

But what is there to discuss here? It's not like you're going to have people here coming and defending pedophiles. Well maybe but they'd get banned pretty fast, and rightfully so. There's nothing much to discuss, and you don't need to be a genius to guess pedophiles are using any means they deem necessary to meet young childs or simulate acts with them. And obviously mmos, as any other online content is subject to being used by idiots.

There's also religious based guilds, nationality based guilds, and all the kind of groups you'd find anywhere else and with them come the more extreme groups. Blizzard will eventually ban them, not for censorship but just because they wouldn't want their names associated with any kind of RL slip up, but on such a large game, I don't think it's that easy for them to track every little guild that has retards/psychos as members and promote stupid shit.

So I fail to understand why the original post was quoted, and why there's even a discussion about it. Let the justice handle it? I don't think they needed that much publicity.

[Utnayan]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

It's more interesting that you are on a personal crusade against them. It doesn't matter what you think, only what the law and Blizzard think. The law says they aren't doing anything illegal and we don't know what Blizzard thinks. Most of us think that what they are doing is disgusting but very few of us think it is illegal nor SHOULD it be illegal as that is one huge size 13 foot in the door to getting anything that Tipper Gore and her ilk deem unsavory removed from all video games.

I am going to disagree here. This is a bunch of Predator fuck ups from Dateline NBC who got WoW subscriptions and are sick fucks. Period. How long before they start going further by stepping into reality with it? And I do not want to hear debates saying well, we murder people in video games what makes us not want to do that in real life... Because normal people have been destroying anything and everything in video games since the Atari 2600. This is different. Here you have a bunch of sick twisted fucks that actually get off on fucking 5 year old kids and fantasizing about it outside of the scope of the game design.

This isn't Rockstar making a Grand Theft Fuckmyfouryearoldintheass 3.

[Kaylena]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

It doesn't matter what political party does what. This isn't a child predator case. They aren't looking for children, they are looking for adults who will act like children in erotic roleplay. There is a difference. Anyway, if pedoblogger man can't be charged with anything despite having guides and tutorials on how to stalk children then some toons in a video game aren't going to face charges either.

Sorry, but you're wrong. They are looking to engage in AGEPLAY. That means they intend to play out a fantasy online where they purport to be a minor. The environment is set up where minors frequent and are not restricted from any areas of having contact with them. There's the caveat right there.

Again, the law states, it is not a defense to say you were fantasy roleplaying and therefore, you assumed that you weren't being told the truth when the actor stated they were a minor.

Myspace was sued for $30M after a man sexually assaulted a minor after providing false information to the girl who believed him. The parents sued on the basis that Myspace did not provide the proper security in an environment where minors are allowed to frequent. Myspace conceded, albeit saying it was a shared responsibility.

For the same fear of a lawsuit, Second Life prohibits minors in their adult areas. Blizzard however, doesn't have such a rule.

Here's what the law says: We catch you with a minor and you're looking at a minimum of 20 years in prison. That's child predator laws, not what Hillary or Tipper is doing.

Here's what Blizzard is thinking: The hell with his prison sentence, we're looking at a potential $30M lawsuit. No thanks!