MMOs as an outlet for [future] child predators?

[AndersJ]

Originally Posted by Mist

It has exactly as much to do with murderers living out their fantasies by committing virtual murder in oh, just about every video game everyone on these forums plays. And pretty much everyone here agrees that there's no substantial link between violent video games and RL violence.

If you want to say that virtual depictions of illegal acts are themselves illegal, then well, there goes the video game industry. Hope you like Wii Tennis.

You do realize that just by having a chat room discussion talking about sex with a minor with a minor present is a crime, yes? All there has to be is just 1, just 1 person in that guild who is under 18, and I'm sure there will be more than a few.

[Kaylena]

Originally Posted by Tuco

I say ban them, get rid of the filth of society wherever it is found.

Yup. Isn't it amazing how you can get banned for cursing in that game but you can do stuff like this and get away with it? /boggle

[Utnayan]

Originally Posted by Malakriss

Some people are messed up in the head, it's better for them to express themselves virtually than in the real world

Anyone that needs to express that in the real world OR virtually should be shot in the fucking face.

[Mist]

Originally Posted by AndersJ

You do realize that just by having a chat room discussion talking about sex with a minor with a minor present is a crime, yes? All there has to be is just 1, just 1 person in that guild who is under 18, and I'm sure there will be more than a few.

You're incorrect. There needs to be specific intent to have REAL sex with a REAL child. Not fake sex with a fake child. Otherwise it'd be just as illegal to discuss something like oh, say hentai in a chat room or forum with persons under 18 present.

[Mist]

Originally Posted by Utnayan

Anyone that needs to express that in the real world OR virtually should be shot in the fucking face.

Yet you play video games that promote virtual murder and virtual hate crimes? (Killing people specifically because of their race.)

It's a very slippery slope, once you make this kind of activity illegal, it becomes VERY easy for some like Jack Thompson, infront of the wrong judge, to make 90% of he video game industry go bye bye forever.

[spronk]

I'm pretty sure you can get banned for guild chat, I've known people who have gotten suspensions for it. Someone in the guild has to report the offending person though, so it rarely happens (backstabbing guildies ftw).

My guess is that Blizzard has turned it over to FBI/etc and is mum on the whole thing until the investigation is over.

The whole thing is pretty fucked up, but in some ways its probably better for society. 20 years ago pedos would join the priesthood or do the perving with relatives. Now with the internet they go online and think they are all anonymous. Meanwhile every single character they type gets logged, they get videotaped and traced, and hopefully all of them get max time in jail. Kids are a lot smarter about this shit nowadays too I would hope.

[Mist]

Originally Posted by spronk

My guess is that Blizzard has turned it over to FBI/etc and is mum on the whole thing until the investigation is over.

The FBI can't do anything about it. At it's absolute worst, it's only virtual child pornography, and that's only if its graphically depicted, which is pretty much impossible in WoW. And virtual child pornography is consitutionally protected in the US, as per a Supreme Court decision, much to the FBI's chagrin. If it's just chat with no graphical depiction, with no specific intent to have sex with a real minor, then it is automatically protected as free speech.

Blizzard does still have a right to ban them, just as they could ban anyone else, and if these people are causing problems with other people on the server, then Blizzard probably should. But seriously, be careful what rights you are willing to give away in your persecution of others, as you'd be surprised what rights you'll lose yourself in the process. The first amendment is written and interpreted as is for a reason.

[AndersJ]

Originally Posted by Utnayan

Anyone that needs to express that in the real world OR virtually should be shot in the fucking face.

<3 Utnayan.

So true, so fucking true. And Mist, you're fucking retarded trying to justify this shit. Yeah, so what about violence. Go put one of these kiddie rapists into a jail cell with a murderer and you see what happens. Even people who kill other people draw a line on shit that just shouldn't be done. And this kind of behavior crosses that line.

[Quineloe]

great stuff, now someone find me the guild focusing on Gynophagia, Vore etc

[Mist]

Originally Posted by AndersJ

<3 Utnayan.

So true, so fucking true. And Mist, you're fucking retarded trying to justify this shit. Yeah, so what about violence. Go put one of these kiddie rapists into a jail cell with a murderer and you see what happens. Even people who kill other people draw a line on shit that just shouldn't be done. And this kind of behavior crosses that line.

These are grownups playing make believe, not a guild going out recruiting real children to predate upon. If you can't seperate make believe from real crimes, you probably shouldn't be playing violent video games yourself.

[Quineloe]

Originally Posted by AndersJ

<3 Utnayan.

So true, so fucking true. And Mist, you're fucking retarded trying to justify this shit. Yeah, so what about violence. Go put one of these kiddie rapists into a jail cell with a murderer and you see what happens. Even people who kill other people draw a line on shit that just shouldn't be done. And this kind of behavior crosses that line.

yes, because a molested child is clearly worse off than a dead person...

[AndersJ]

Originally Posted by Mist

These are grownups playing make believe, not a guild going out recruiting real children to predate upon. If you can't seperate make believe from real crimes, you probably shouldn't be playing violent video games yourself.

Oh I can separate real life from fantasy.

Night Elves, Orcs, Taurens... all fantasy. Running people over in GTA... fantasy. Shooting Nazi's in Medal of Honor... fantasy.

Lilith the Night Elf Rogue wanting to sexually seduce someone who claims to be 18 who is playing a 6 year old is beyond make believe. That's where the line is drawn. There were already statements of sub-18 people who were in that guild with stuff going on.

[Cybsled]

Mist isn't defending them. He's defending the laws that allow that type of stuff but also allow far more "socially acceptable" types of kinks or what have you, such as blowjobs, women with big breasts, or 2 hot women going at it.

I suppose while statistically someone who engages in such acts might be a more likely candidate to do such in real life, it's not a straight forward "if you do A, you must do B".

That being said, it's perfectly within Blizzard's rights to ban them from the game. And it wouldn't surprise me if they eventually do as such. This is afterall the company that renamed the Maine Coon because of some QQing morons and removed the "Kill two dwarves" song because it probably was seen as promoting drug use or what have you.

great stuff, now someone find me the guild focusing on Gynophagia, Vore etc

Maybe they raid C'Thun 24/7? ;P

[Mist]

Originally Posted by Quineloe

yes, because a molested child is clearly worse off than a dead person...

That's debatable, highly debatable, molested children have to live with horrible memories for the rest of their life.

But we're not talking about real sex crimes or real murders. We're talking about virtual depictions of said acts, between consenting adults.

[AndersJ]

Originally Posted by Quineloe

yes, because a molested child is clearly worse off than a dead person...

To be honest, yes. The molested child has a lifetime of shit to deal with, whereas the dead person is well, dead. It sounds awful, I know, but I mean look at rape victims, I know one who'd rather have been killed after the act then having to live with that fact each and every day she wakes up.