MMOs as an outlet for [future] child predators?

[Sanrith DesCartes]

Originally Posted by Mist

'Vast majority' is meaningless. The US is not a democracy. It is a constitutional republic, and under such a government system, the majority cannot take away the legal rights of the minority, just because they find what they're doing to be offensive.

What YOU find abhorent is these people's virtual activities. What *I* find abhorent is the the very real willingness of people in this thread to sacrifice the rights of others, and themselves, in pursuit of some phantom pedophiles, to satisfy their own perverse persecution fantasies. Shows like 'To Catch a Predator,' while their ends are ultimately just (and fucking hilarious I might add,) the depictions in the shows themselves are essentially just another form of voyeristic pornography.

I believe we are actually a Represented Democracy. That is why we have a Congress. You vote to send folks to Washington who are supposed voice your opinions in the way the country should be run. Not to correct you, but yes in fact the majority can take away your rights if they find them offensive. A good example might be a little thing called Prohibition. It was illegal for a time to consume alcohol in this country. The people spoke up and changed the law. That is what makes our country great. Piss off the majority enough and they get off their lazy asses and do something about it.

[Rythonn]

Originally Posted by Mist

What YOU find abhorent is these people's virtual activities. What *I* find abhorent is the the very real willingness of people in this thread to sacrifice the rights of others, and themselves, in pursuit of some phantom pedophiles, to satisfy their own perverse persecution fantasies.

You do not have any "rights" in this game. You have a ToS which tells you what you can and can't say. You are not entitled to anything within the confines of WoW. Oh and you are wrong about guildchat, from the policy page.

Since your participation in guild chat is "at will," we take a much more lenient stance in these forums. Only the most severe harassment (i.e. Racial/Ethnic, Extreme Sexual/Violence, Real-life Threats) will be considered.

[Sanrith DesCartes]

Originally Posted by Mist

Epic fail. Wrong, try again.

I beg to differ...

What Is Democracy? - Democratic Government

[Mist]

Originally Posted by Sanrith DesCartes

I believe we are actually a Represented Democracy. That is why we have a Congress. You vote to send folks to Washington who are supposed voice your opinions in the way the country should be run. Not to correct you, but yes in fact the majority can take away your rights if they find them offensive. A good example might be a little thing called Prohibition. It was illegal for a time to consume alcohol in this country. The people spoke up and changed the law. That is what makes our country great. Piss off the majority enough and they get off their lazy asses and do something about it.

No, you're wrong. You're specifically wrong. The words DEMOCRACY or any derivatives thereof do not appear anywhere in the US Consitution, Declaration of Independence, or any other significant document from the founding of this country, and they do not appear for this very reason. You can believe whatever the fuck you want, but factually you are strictly wrong.

[Arbitrary]

Give me a call when the actions of these nuts goes outside the realm of consenting adults.

Until then, don't care.

[Mist]

Originally Posted by Sanrith DesCartes

I beg to differ...

What Is Democracy? - Democratic Government

I don't really care what the current regime's website says, especially when that regime's modus operandi for getting elected was to turn out the vote with amendments banning gay marriage. This regime is, by and large, in every way opposed to the founding principles of this country, and it does not surprise me that a website they control (the State Deparment is part of the executive branch) would include lies and propaganda.

[Dashal]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

It's not so much defending their behaviour as much as it is defending their right to engage in such behaviour.

Originally Posted by Mist

What YOU find abhorent is these people's virtual activities. What *I* find abhorent is the the very real willingness of people in this thread to sacrifice the rights of others, and themselves, in pursuit of some phantom pedophiles, to satisfy their own perverse persecution fantasies.

Where is the right to have a kiddie porn guild in WoW enumerated? Why would you defend these "rights" even if they did exist? People so misunderstand free speech it's staggering. Say whatever the hell you want, to a point. I dont have to like it or allow it in my game or print it in my newspaper, put it on my website or have it on my property.

If you're worried Blizzard is going to crack down on your guilds tentacle pron jokes that's a completely different issue that's not being discussed.

[Mist]

Originally Posted by Rythonn

You do not have any "rights" in this game. You have a ToS which tells you what you can and can't say. You are not entitled to anything within the confines of WoW. Oh and you are wrong about guildchat, from the policy page.

I'm not disagreeing with the fact that they shouldn't ban these people, they should be banned flat out just for what they post on the forums. Just that they shouldn't be required to be actively policing/monitoring for these activities in private channels. I think everyone here wants to see these people banned, but I don't think too many smart people really want Blizzard actively policing morality in private channels, rather than the current reactive method of enforcement. And I don't think Blizzard wants that responsbility either.

[Duppin]

Originally Posted by Arbitrary

Give me a call when the actions of these nuts goes outside the realm of consenting adults.

Until then, don't care.

Pretty much, yeah.

[Sanrith DesCartes]

Originally Posted by Mist

No, you're wrong. You're specifically wrong. The words DEMOCRACY or any derivatives thereof do not appear anywhere in the US Consitution, Declaration of Independence, or any other significant document from the founding of this country, and they do not appear for this very reason. You can believe whatever the fuck you want, but factually you are strictly wrong.

I am not going to derail this thread with a civics argument. Suffice it to say we both agree that registered voters get to elect folks from their towns to go off to Washington and give them a voice in the running of the government. We also agree we have one of if not the most amazing documents every written (the Constitution) from which we build and shape our government. Finally we both agree the government has no place in our thoughts (unless you are planning to fly a plane into a tall building or park a truck bomb outside a government building in Oklahoma City in which case I actually do want them in those fuckers heads). So I think we agree on those points.

While I respect your right to think it is ok for those sick fucks to have thoughts of banging little kids, I respectfully disagree and think you need to wake the fuck up. This isn't about homosexuality, bisexuality, or trisexuality. It is about thinking about having sex with children. That is bad. And that is my opinion.

[Sanrith DesCartes]

Originally Posted by Mist

I don't really care what the current regime's website says, especially when that regime's modus operandi for getting elected was to turn out the vote with amendments banning gay marriage. This regime is, by and large, in every way opposed to the founding principles of this country, and it does not surprise me that a website they control (the State Deparment is part of the executive branch) would include lies and propaganda.

That is all I need to read. I see where you are coming from now. I also see that continued discussion on this subject is futile.

[Arbitrary]

1984 references have been so diluted by the internet. You'd think everyone actually read the damn thing.

Anyway,

THOUGHTCRIME! There, I feel better.

People come in all flavors of shit. Getting your testicles in a knot because you think apricot/spinach diarrhea is unacceptable while tolerating cheesy constipation and burning hot day old mexican on a daily basis is retarded.

[Mist]

Originally Posted by Sanrith DesCartes

This isn't about homosexuality

Yet the very same types of laws were used to prosecute homosexuality for hundreds of years. Sodomy laws, which have only very recently been struck down, have long since been about criminalizing oral sex between consenting, heterosexual couples; they were instead kept on the books to give the government the power to criminalize homosexuality, and giving the state the legal authority to invade the homes of anyone they 'suspect' of engaging in homosexual activities. We have just now crept out from under these kinds of laws, and we're now going to be bringing back those kinds of laws in pursuit of supposed pedophiles.

I can absolutely garauntee that any laws against these types of activities will be used against consenting adult homosexuals, because there are a good 20% of the population of this country that still does not make a distinction between homosexuality and pedophilia. They're both wrong, they both go against their God, and that's tens of millions of people who think that way, potentially at all levels of government and law enforcement. This country is at any given time only a handful of votes away from slipping into at least temporary fascism, and promoting a culture of defending individual rights, regardless of whether you agree with them or not, is the ONLY defense against such an outcome.

[Twobit Whore]

Beastiality is illegal and gross, but no one crusades against furries. Won't someone please think of the puppies?

[Mist]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

Beastiality is illegal and gross, but no one crusades against furries. Won't someone please think of the puppies?

Don't say that no one crusades against furries. Someone on these forums is named Furry Crusader in the FOH EVE channel.