SOE to own VG - Sigil fires employees

[tad10]

Originally Posted by kohl

I find it very surprising for you to be saying this

Does the concept of "moving on" have any meaning for you whatsoever? Have you ever been fired from a job?

Let me paraphrase the post for you :

"Yeah it sucked being fired, yeah I wish things had been a lot fucking different, but bitching about it isn't going to get me a new job. So I just want to move on."

We may get some perverse pleasure disectting the corpse but the fired devs want to move on. If you've ever been fired you'd understand.

[woqqqa]

Originally Posted by Braen

I played a bit og beta, I even played at release. I do not feel like I lost anything or am owed anything. I gave it a shot and I move on. It certianly did not keep me from playing any other MMO or enjoying myself other places because it failed in my eyes.

Nor has it prevented anyone else from enjoying other MMOs or games, but I think that people are far angrier at having been constantly strung along and lied to than at the state of the game. And if you're going to say something along the lines of "it's business as usual", don't bother. It's short-sighted idiocy like lying to your intended audience that helps cement a company's/products long-term negative reputation, which results in a LOT of lost money in the long run.

[Samflam]

For a 40 year old man to post the way Neric does, I think it's a safe bet to assume he's not a very powerful man.

edit: not that I think e-thugging isn't retarded

[Duppin]

Originally Posted by kohl

For a developer who got fired to come here and stir up emotions by calling people out is very poor form, and if that results in people lashing out then he can just opt to , I dunno, NOT FUCKING post here?

Not that Camerous isn't acting like a bit of a retard, but...

How is someone coming here and posting "get a fucking grip, you're out at worst $50 and some time, I just lost my job, shut your cakeholes" (in a more polite manner than that, even) equivalent to "calling people out"?

Then again, there are elements on this board that have no idea what the word "perspective" means.

[kohl]

Originally Posted by tad10

Does the concept of "moving on" have any meaning for you whatsoever? Have you ever been fired from a job?

Let me paraphrase the post for you :

"Yeah it sucked being fired, yeah I wish things had been a lot fucking different, but bitching about it isn't going to get me a new job. So I just want to move on."

We may get some perverse pleasure disectting the corpse but the fired devs want to move on. If you've ever been fired you'd understand.

People on this forum might disagree, but there is a line. We don't step into the realm of 12 year old bullshit and threaten to come over and stab each other IRL with shanks.

Renaldo made some (what I would consider) inflamatory remarks trying to defend Fuckpants McQuaid at about the worst time possible considering many of us had to just recently endure his wall-of-text posts, which we NOW know were made at a time when Brad had already turned out the lights and checked out. So yeah, he is going to get flamed. I don't recall Neric ever taking it to the level of "so yeah, I want to come over and shoot you in the face with a shotgun".

[kohl]

Originally Posted by Duppin

Not that Camerous isn't acting like a bit of a retard, but...

How is someone coming here and posting "get a fucking grip, you're out at worst $50 and some time, I just lost my job, shut your cakeholes" (in a more polite manner than that, even) equivalent to "calling people out"?

Then again, there are elements on this board that have no idea what the word "perspective" means.

Anyone who comes here and tries to defend Brad _right now_ is just asking for it, thats all I'm saying. People have short memories. 6 months from now, people will already be in the mode of saying how sorry Brad has been and how much he learned from his experience with VG.

[Twobit Whore]

Originally Posted by tad10

Does the concept of "moving on" have any meaning for you whatsoever? Have you ever been fired from a job?

Let me paraphrase the post for you :

"Yeah it sucked being fired, yeah I wish things had been a lot fucking different, but bitching about it isn't going to get me a new job. So I just want to move on."

We may get some perverse pleasure disectting the corpse but the fired devs want to move on. If you've ever been fired you'd understand.

I completely understand the devs wanting to move, no NEEDing to move on. They have no choice. For everyone else, to simply say 'move on' like everyone should just stop talking and/or even thinking about Vanguard is pretty far out there. We haven't let Vanguard go for the last 2 years and we sure as hell aren't going to at the climax of the saga.

[tad10]

Originally Posted by woqqqa

Nor has it prevented anyone else from enjoying other MMOs or games, but I think that people are far angrier at having been constantly strung along and lied to than at the state of the game. And if you're going to say something along the lines of "it's business as usual", don't bother. It's short-sighted idiocy like lying to your intended audience that helps cement a company's/products long-term negative reputation, which results in a LOT of lost money in the long run.

People need to grow up because yes it is business as usual. There is a lot of bullshit that goes on in computer games and has since the pc games came to exist. Lets see... just a few highlights Daikatana, BC3000, the incredible buggy releases of numerous games, UO2, Ultima X and now VG (feel free to mention your favorite PC game related BS). I can count on several

Is it stupid? Yes. Did it come back to bite Brad in the ass? Sure. But getting angry about it just makes you look like a petulant child pissed of at Mom & Dad when they find out there is no Santa Claus.

The fired devs are moving on, so should you.

Edit: And yeah Camerous comment was almost as retarded as Nerics.

Edit2: 2bit -- I'm all for dissecting the corpse for the next year until something better comes along. But being angry now is like wtf?

[Camerous]

Originally Posted by tad10

Edit: And yeah Camerous comment was almost as retarded as Nerics.

Coming from you Tad is a big LOL This coming from the guy who said VG was just fine but needed some more lore and quests to be perfect? And who posts retarded shit?

[Greyform]

Originally Posted by Kendricke

Godwin's Law! I win. :P

In all seriousness, it sure does take a lot of bravery from the anonymous protection of the intertubes to kick a guy all over the place after he's been laid off. Real impressive display of intelligence and acumen there, alright. Stay classy!

Real people lost real jobs in their real lives and have to go home to their real families and try to figure out what to do tomorrow. The rest of us...just have to figure out if this will affect how we spend our recreation time online.

Yeah, I can see the comparison.

should have been the last thing posted in this thread.

[woqqqa]

Originally Posted by tad10

Is it stupid? Yes. Did it come back to bite Brad in the ass? Sure. But getting angry about it just makes you look like a petulant child pissed of at Mom & Dad when they find out there is no Santa Claus.

The fired devs are moving on, so should you.

Well if we're going to assume that we're mostly being lied to and strung along by the majority of people/companies hoping to sell us something (a fairly reasonable assumption, actually), then what's the point of being civil to them at all? The information that they release on these forums (or any website) is hardly worth having to put up with all the spin, in my opinion. I mean, who the hell cares if -insert random developer here- is posting on the site, if their information is suspect? That's why honest developers such as Gallenite are so valued by the community.

And as for the moving on bit...you seem to be almost dismissive of the contemptuous attitude shown by Brad & Co towards their prospective customers. (if I'm misinterpreting you here, feel free to correct me) I'd say that while dwelling on it is a bad idea, "just moving on" is a bad idea. Why? Because without a lot of nasty customer reactions, companies and the individuals that run them basically see screwing the consumer as the status quo, furthering a rather nasty meme in modern corporate culture.

And since I'd rather deal with companies that value the customer to some degree, I'd say that bashing companies that treat their customers badly sends a message to the others that this isn't likely to make them money, discouraging this sort of behavior.

[Sean]

You guys should just put Camerous on ignore. It'll make your day a lot brighter. I did it myself a while ago - the guy has never contributed anything of substance anyways.

[Dashal]

Originally Posted by kohl

People on this forum might disagree, but there is a line. We don't step into the realm of 12 year old bullshit and threaten to come over and stab each other IRL with shanks.

But really, dont the people who flame like this feel even a tiny bit lame for doing it? I mean I get the fascination with the behind the scenes stuff here but listen to yourselves. Internet goons seeing who can be "edgy" and flame some guy who lost his job or whoever else as if they're a shining example of success behind the keyboard. Pathetic.

[Rayne]

Wow. This whole thing has just evolved into nothing more than a huge shit-slinging match. Its kind of hard to not expect it though. While folks at Sigil are out of a job today (and I really do feel for them), a huge number of people are simply simmering with hatred and resentment because quite frankly, they were duped.

I don't think this is as much about 50 bucks, as it is about making utter fools of 100k+ gamers. Day after day, these folks were assured that everything was going to be fine. So intently in fact, that they felt compelled to defend the game, its ideals, and its development team until the bitter end. Folks who solemnly swore to never give SOE another dollar of thier money. And now they're extremely pissed, because for all thier efforts, the very people telling them everything was going to be fine (those Nino was referring to) stabbed them straight in the back (metaphorically speaking of course).

Getting over a $50 loss is pretty easy. Getting over being made a complete fool of is something entirely different, and definitely something thats going to take quite a while.

[Ayeshala]

It's unlikely to be the DC MMO or any other previously announced MMOG; those should be in full production by now. It's probably a new project, but it's probably not EQ3.

Although, pre production on EQ3 will begin one of those days... preferably under the wing of a certain EQ2 producer.