SOE to own VG - Sigil fires employees

[Cuppycake]

Originally Posted by Giant_Flying_Head

Most people are happy slaying mobs that look like Cuppycake's avatar

ZOMG! What a horrible thing to say =( Who could slay a dancing My Little Pony?

[Mkopec1]

Originally Posted by Elidroth Renato

In reality, you're only out some time, and a little bit of money. In the grand scheme, you're out next to nothing. So let it go. Move on.

LOL, most of the more vocal folks here are out nothing, because they didnt even buy the game.

But I doubt this will be dropped so soon. Its drama, and people love drama.

[elrich]

Originally Posted by Dammerung

Because he's a big fat pussy who can't look his employees in the eye and take responsibility for their losing their jobs.

This would be the "killed your family and set fire to your dog" thing that he mentioned.

Seriously, those people who did not keep their jobs, well it does suck. It always does, but Brad didn't destroy their lives. He gave them what could have amounted to a great opportunity, but simply did not make the cut. That really is just life.

What is important when things go wrong is how you deal with it yourself, and how you treat others. Pawning off the firings to... well, anyone other than himself was simply classless. The end result would have been the same, but sometimes the way you do things does make a difference.

Oh well, best of luck to everyone involved.

[Braen]

Originally Posted by Elidroth Renato

Some of you act like Brad and Sigil killed your family and set fire to your dog. In reality, you're only out some time, and a little bit of money. In the grand scheme, you're out next to nothing. So let it go. Move on. I'm trying to do that myself, and I lost my job yesterday.

Here here. Why don't we lock this thread now? Everything that needs to be said has been said.

I am sorry for the losses at Sigil. I wish it could have turned out different. I wish for the best for all those who lost their jobs and those that moved on. I hope to see what your next project will be.

[Goliath]

Originally Posted by Gnome Eater

Most people really really like PvP, if it is meaningless and doesn't interfere with their farming. I am in the distinct minority that likes meaningful PvP, but the only game with meaningful PvP atm is set in space and has a gameplay I do not enjoy.



No, I want to solo, I do not want to group with people I don't know ever, and I want the option to solo efficiently to the max level, and to have abilities to non-trivial advance my character when not grouped. Every MMORPG that doesn't caster heavily to a solo-game play is doomed.

Also, I am 100% willing to be that judging by your idea of holy trinity you never ever played a healer in either EQ or Vanguard. Am I right?


I like those, I only like big worlds if every inch of the world is polished, which normally isn't realistic, so I tend to prefer smaller more polished worlds, if huge perfectly polished worlds was available, I'd rake that of course.



Those are all retarded. I hate tradeskills, and I should never ever have to level them up in an MMORPG.


Vanguard had by far the worst community of every MMORPG, because it was centered around the cult of Brad, and because they were vocally demanding absolutely sadistic gameplay measures that Brad and indepedent reviewers both believe drove players away from the game.

They had to shut down the fucking mainboards because they were worried that giving an echo chamber to the whining would drive even more people away from the game.



I loved Seb, so I will shed a nostalgic tear in its memory. My best times in Seb though were when the zone was empty, and you could clear the entire place alone, or when you could AoE the entire place without having to fight for the right to pull one froglock.



Fuck you. I want difficult encounters, not encounters that are difficult because the downtime between attempts is fucking infinite.

I played Eq for 6 years, enjoyed my time playing it, but looking back, so many of the features I put up with I only put up with because it was my first MMORPG and I never knew better. EQ was amazing in spite of retarded design choices that later got scrapped instantly, not because of them.

Good shit.

Although I loved Sebilis the most when it had a massive community. I loved that people would shout "Disco LF Enchanter or Sotaris (I was a bard)." I loved the fact that there were 10 different camps with their own pros and cons. I loved the fact that I got excited on every damn "kor" in hopes it had a Siblisian Berserker Cloak"

[Neric]

Originally Posted by Elidroth Renato

I understand why Brad wasn't there to do this.

...and I understand why Hitler shot himself.

I've talked to him about it a couple times before the layoffs, and regardless of what's been said, this was NOT, I repeat, NOT a money-grab for him.

So after all the lies you still believe him? Amazing!

He took this all very seriously, and very personally, and out of everyone, it is entirely possible that he is taking this the hardest emotionally.

I hope he does, but at least he has some cash to compensate for all the pain, so it shouldn't be that hard after all.

Brad is my friend still. I hold no ill will towards him, or really anyone at Sigil for that matter. It doesn't mean yesterday didn't hurt, because it did. But it's business, and sometimes business doesn't go how you want it to. If he called me today and said "Hey.. I'm starting something new and want you to be a part of it." I'd likely jump on board.

If only more people were like you, then Brad could actually try to pull this off again. Fool me once, laugh at me. Fool me twice, call me Renato!

Some of you act like Brad and Sigil killed your family and set fire to your dog. In reality, you're only out some time, and a little bit of money. In the grand scheme, you're out next to nothing. So let it go. Move on. I'm trying to do that myself, and I lost my job yesterday.

Yeah, it was nothing. Why are people even complaining? In the end we will all die anyways and everything inbetween is just a huge waste of time.

Btw, I got a pretty clear picture now why you got fired.

[Goliath]

The fact that this post has 177,000 views in under 48 hours makes Vanguard all the more of a failure.

The more potential you throw away the harder you fall/failed.

[Lost Ranger]

You really are a fucking asshole Neric. Your nerd rage gives me something to enjoy while at work though so I thank you sir.

[EmiliaEQ]

Gnome..

InGame VG community wasnt too bad. I met more "good" people that retards.
The /ooc was still stupid but not as bad as WoW's.

I played a Warrior in EQ, Boxing Cleric, while solo is important (for everyone).
Grouping should be more efficient. Yet in "modern" MMO everyone should be
able to solo, for when they cant/wont/dont group. VG i play Sorcerer.

In a "smart" game you are not "forced" to craft and you never should.
WoW Dark Iron is stupid, it should drop from elementals, and adventurers (us)
sell it to crafters (them), who love just "making stuff" thats "interaction".
Then buy back the finished products.

Also again, what did i say about the "RvR" "A Game" and "CR" ?
No more Fear/Hate 8H CR/Breaks. And no "instant restart" either.
You fucked up, lick your wounds, regroup, go try again.

[Duhulk]

This is going to be an EXTREMELY presumptious post, because I really don't know Brad McQuaid that well (only that he didn't even look at me the one time he signed a poster /shakefist ). But to hell with it, I'll make it anyway.

I get the vibe this Multi-Million Dollar MMO racket just isn't his thing. With the type of game he likes to make, it's just not feasible fiscally.

I think he should look into the growing indie MMO market. I think a little niche game with less than 100k people might work well for him. The creative freedom is there because there's less risk. You don't need ridiculous support staff and you can really tailor the world to be alterable. Having live effents and a world that changes much like really really old school EQ was.

A living breathing fantasy world...just a rather small one .

[Maxxius]

Elidroth I am sorry you lost your job due to no fault of your own, and I hope sincerely that you will eventually land on your feet. But this stuff is news and people want to discuss it.

If this was a simple matter of a company going belly up simply because of market conditions then yeah nothing more can be said about that. But we are dealing with a man who, on his own choosing, put himself out there in the publics eye. Had controversial ideas. Promoted them in his way. Alienated people with his approach. Apparently did a massive mismanagement of funds,

He is going to get scrutinized. If you want the good, you have to be prepared for the bad, otherwise he should have stayed out of the limelight. And one big hit I hope he will always be remembered for is his total cowardice in dealing with his employees. I would assume he felt bad about what needed to be done. THAT parking lot meeting was his last chance at retaining some dignity. That was his chance to make emotional and supportive statements. He had his chance and he took the low road out of dodge.

No sympathy here from me nor does he deserve a pass.

[Laerazi]

Obviously Brad enjoys the creative side of MMOs, not the production/managerial side (isn't that the reason he left SOE in the first place?); why the hell he chose to run the game, though, and not appoint someone more experienced in that field is beyond me.

[Kaylena]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tudana
I guess my question is, (because I honestly don't know) would something like a restraining order for the previous CEO/Owner be part of a buy out/take over like this was? - which means Brad couldn't have been there or allowed on the premises even if he wanted to ?

Originally Posted by Skurd

As much as I hate to agree, I have to say this does sound like a plausible happening.
Seeing Brad's level of involvement in the whole thing (especially forum wise, he kept on being quite the active poster), I see it as somewhat surprising that he would abandon the ship, even if he saw the doomsday coming.

This would of course imply that SoE had a grudge against Brad or saw through his "PR disguise", which in turn doesn't sound too far fetched.

It does sound plausible. Back when we were discussing the TOS and EULA in another thread, it was obvious then that SOE's name was written all over it and Sigil's name was mysteriously absent from the documents. For co-publishers, that just didn't sound right. So I went to the Patents and Trademarks Searches and found something interesting.

Back in August, 2006, the trademark "Set Yourself Free" (and the other one, I forget what it's called) was registered by Sony Online Entertainment LLC, NOT Sigil. The Schild interview with the ex-Sigil employee alleges that Brad was absent for about the last 8 months. Which brings this date in line with the registrations.

It's a theory, but considering the dates, it makes sense that SOE was gearing up for the last phases of the takeover back then, before even Sigil's own employees even had a clue. It may be nothing, it may be something. But I can't find where Microsoft registered trademarks for Vanguard when they were the sole publisher.

[Kendricke]

Originally Posted by Neric

...and I understand why Hitler shot himself.

Godwin's Law! I win. :P

In all seriousness, it sure does take a lot of bravery from the anonymous protection of the intertubes to kick a guy all over the place after he's been laid off. Real impressive display of intelligence and acumen there, alright. Stay classy!

Real people lost real jobs in their real lives and have to go home to their real families and try to figure out what to do tomorrow. The rest of us...just have to figure out if this will affect how we spend our recreation time online.

Yeah, I can see the comparison.

[kcxiv]

Originally Posted by Lost Ranger

You really are a fucking asshole Neric. Your nerd rage gives me something to enjoy while at work though so I thank you sir.

easier to talk shit on a message board then in real life. Let him feel his moment of hmm.. feeling like a man? i dunno