SOE to own VG - Sigil fires employees

[Shutup]

Originally Posted by Dashal

Very interesting.
Oh also, who are these folks exactly?

Our Team

[Mithrull]

Who's Who - Vanguard Forums

[Twobit Whore]

Originally Posted by Shutup

Our Team

We need to know their forum names!

Edit: nevermind!

And that explains a lot.

Tagad - Bill Fisher - Senior Game Designer
Talisker - Darrin McPherson - Senior Game Designer

Not looking good at all.

[Mithrull]

Pretty sure Talisker was a class design guy.

[Twobit Whore]

Originally Posted by Mithrull

Pretty sure Talisker was a class design guy.

He is the one responsible for class design and balance, yes. How's that working out for ya?

Tagad should have been the first person to get the ax.. literally. And apparently he is the one who made the infamous 'buying a house with stock' quote.

[Flight]

Originally Posted by Believe

The early EQ2 players payed for what the game is now - just like current VG players are paying for the changes that will occur.

EQ2 was never in anything like as bad a state as Vanguard was and is, particularly widespread duping and XP hacks.


While its still gutting for the folks who have lost their jobs there is a bright side to all this - the knowledge that it was Bill Gates who took it up the ass to the tune of nearly $30mill.

[Man0warr]

So Tagad and Talisker are the ones Nino were hinting at eh

[Braen]

EQ2 release wasn't as buggy as VG. It just has some game mechanics that weren't popular. the spirit shard, locked encounters and stuff.

[tad10]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

He is the one responsible for class design and balance, yes. How's that working out for ya?

Tagad should have been the first person to get the ax.. literally. And apparently he is the one who made the infamous 'buying a house with stock' quote.

As previously stated I would have preferred Nino in charge of VG and barring that a brand new top-level team. That being said since (based on absolutely nothing but gut instinct) I'm now about 53.4% sure that the secret prototype project Butler, Nino, Teclisian and the other two former Sigil guys are working on is not the spy/esp but actually a prototype for EQ3. I'm fine with that.

Edit: And yes the world does need more really, really good fantasy MMOs. Emph on the really, really good. As a good friend of mine pointed out the other day when discussing this very issue by far the most popular PnP RPGS are Fantasy: AD&D, CoC, World of Darkness. Sci-Fi RPGS are few and far between. Star Wars? Fantasy with blaster guns (which is why a KOTOR MMO would work better than SWG -- we all get to be sorcerers... jedi if we want).

[Braen]

EQ3... um yeah... whatever

[Astos]

So let me get all this straight. Basically Sigil forces its employees to work 80+ hour weeks so they can hurry up and get the product finished, then not long after its finished half of them are laid off because their use has been fulfilled?

Corporate America for you

[tad10]

Originally Posted by Astos

So let me get all this straight. Basically Sigil forces its employees to work 80+ hour weeks so they can hurry up and get the product finished, then not long after its finished half of them are laid off because their use has been fulfilled?

Corporate America for you

What really sucks is I'm sure they were all exempt. So no overtime.

[Eomer]

Could we ease off on the Nino-love? I very much appreciated his candor and honesty on these boards, and his drive to fix things that blatantly needed fixing, I fail to see what he has done in this game that would lead you to believe he's even got the experience to be in charge? He mostly did sound design and the music on the game, and apparently helped out with design towards the end. Other than that, what exactly leads all of you to believe he'd make such an awesome manager? I'm not saying that he wouldn't, I'm just saying that none of us know a damn thing about the internal workings of SGO (or game development in general) and whether or not Nino would have been a capable manager, producer, whatever.

I can just see five years down the road Nino's (let's pretend he's in charge) super awesome spy MMO being a complete bomb, and history repeating itself with Nino instead of Brad being drawn and quartered by the denizens of this board

[Twobit Whore]

I think Nino does good work within his role. What expansion of that role he is capable of is yet to be determined. If anything he needs to be given control of a team to focus on what he does best. If that is sound and music, great. I'd like to see him be in a leadership position responsible instead of being the only one.. giving him more time to take on the additional role as a mouthpiece, unfiltered by the PR department.

[Strangedays]

Originally Posted by chaos

I don't doubt Brad is a nice guy and I'd enjoy having a beer with him and talking about gaming.

However, it isn't the nerds he pissed off. Honestly, I think you'd find most people in this community to be pretty forgiving. He pissed off the money guys. He fucked up. His name is all over VG, and he wanted it that way, at this point I'll bet he never gets funding for anything like this ever again.

At this point, creating soemthing new is the WORST thing he can do. Until VG is at least moderately tolerable, it's still got his name all over it. He's already got to overcome all the bad press from VG if by some miracle he cons someone into funding a future project, but if VG isn't even fixed by that point? Forget about it.

Brads still involved in the MMO industry. Leveling up his WOW characters.

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