SOE to own VG - Sigil fires employees

[Khorum]

Brad, first of all, if you feel like that, come to the community and post it. And no, FOH is NOT the community. FOH is the retard rickshaw and a place for pricks to stand around and flaunt their e-peens. The community is the people who actually bought your half-finished pile of steaming shit and are trying to play it, and the Affiliate community that is trying to help keep the group focused on the positive, but you don't have the time of day for. You have officially lost touch with your community.

Yes, I'm pissed. Brad, I think you owe the community an apology. If you wanted to start at vanguard crafters, that would be ok with me.Sense of entitlement? Fuck yeah. I've been paying for and operating a fan site for your game for 2 years, and I think we're entitled to at least as much love as you give those catasses over at FOH.

He deliberately ignored screenshots and the PGT. Way to focus on the negatives.

Originally Posted by Asmadai

You're like that guy, who after WW2 is already over, all the concentration camps found, all the horror of the tyranny of Hitler known, who THEN tries to say 'I told you Hilter was a bad guy'.

I don't think there has been a person who you could actually tell 'I told you so' to on these boards in months. We realized he fucked up a while ago. The game has been out since late January....and it is halfway through May...

I dunno about you guys but I'm halfway to editting all my posts to be pro-Utnayan/Neric. I want a piece of this itoldyousogasm before the bandwagon leaves town.

[The Hiram Key]

Originally Posted by Samflam

You are such an asshat.
Is this bandwagon still going ? No ? Well lets fire the fucker back up again!! Wheeeeeeeeee !

Sam, I won't speak for the rest of the "clique" but I will say that I personally, do not feel like I have any special powers. I see something, I comment on it, good or bad. It doesn't get much more simple then that. When I do that, and an avalanche of hate, attacks, "out of touch with reality" comebacks, and a slew of "but itz onleez betaz !!11!1-1!" then I have to respond, at least to answer their false assumptions, or to set the record straight.

I thought I did a good job explaining this a few months back, but I suppose it bears repeating. When you see me post, and you respond to me, and then I respond to you, that is a conversation that you and I are having, the two of us. It's in a public place, so others may comment, and I (or you) may respond to those other people. That my (an the Clique's) message stays the same (read: were not flipp flopping or bowing to pressure from the fuck-faces) is a testament to who we are as people, and as community members.

I know that I will not come out and say something sucks unless I am damn sure that it sucks. And when I say I am sure that it sucks, I am going to be sure today, tomorrow, next week, and next year, unless something significant changes.

When you read my response to you, that is just what that is, my response to you. When you read my response to fuck-face #1-114 on the following pages, I AM NOT TALKING TO YOU ! I know thats a tough concept to grasp, but we are all allowed to comment, to state our opinions, to flame, rant, whine, launch and defend from attacks ad nauseum.

As it has been said about 1.2 million fucking times, if you don't like it, don't read it. Use the ignore feature (or PM me if you can't figure out how to use it), read WHO wrote the message before you read the actual message (I like to call this a mental filter).

In summary, we were not copying and pasting anything, we were not spamming and filling threads with the exact same message over and over again (but GG at your attempt at revisionist history). We were having conversations, many of them, and given the ratio of the "clique" to both the "vanbois" group, and the "lets wait and see group" in addition to the "stfu I don't like you or your message group" that was a LOT, A LOT of ground for us 4-6 people to cover in any given thread.

I can see where this can be confusing, but try to grasp the bigger overall picture.

[Greyform]

Well probably is the best thing to happen for the game. It sure sucks for all the folks who put so much time and effort working on the game so far.

I hope Brad learned from this, it was a pretty major strike. He is batting 500 though EQ was a success but VG was a pretty massive disappointment.

I am guessing we will hear from him in the future. I just don’t think he will have the credibility he once had in the industry.

Good Luck SOE, I think you have a good foundation to build on but, there is a lot of work to do to get the rest of that game working.

Also want to wish all the folks at Sigil who are moving on the best. Good luck guys, I hope you land on your feet at another major studio soon.

[Shutup]

Originally Posted by Requiem

EQ2's "button-mashing, skill-spamming combat" does serve the purpose of introducing player skill to a character. I don't think I've played any MMO besides eve where the person behind a character matters so much, even during mundane encounters.

DISCLAIMER: I quit EQ2 a long time ago, I might be wrong today.

For the most part it's the same since you quit. Believe timers/damage were adjusted at one point after a combat revamp, but the process and flow of combat never really changed from a mystic's viewpoint.

I've played every archtype and never felt as if I was spamming. Yes, some skills are very,very redundant. For example, I have 2 dots(one disease one cold? i think), 2 single target slows, and 2 stamina debuffs one of which also is a disease debuff. They all stack as far as I know(unless the mob is already at the slow cap), but if they really wanted to fix this problem I don't see why they can't consolidate these spells/ca's. But I've had my account open since release so this is the least of my worries with the game + I don't have pussy ass fingers. I'd much rather them deal with their shitty end game.

[The Hiram Key]

I can definately say a scout class is a lot more spammy then say, a priest class or even a mage class. Playing Assassin or Dirge and my fingers never sit still, ever. Forget about chatting during combat.

But I can chat all day on the Templar or Warlock, especially the Warlock with the ultra long cast timers (that are fucking retarded) and the "non critical" nature of the role, ie: if I am late casting nobody is dying etc.

With that said, I would rather be spamming and busy then chatting and bored.

[Samflam]

Originally Posted by The Hiram Key

Sam, I won't speak for the rest of the "clique" but I will say that I personally, do not feel like I have any special powers. I see something, I comment on it, good or bad. It doesn't get much more simple then that. When I do that, and an avalanche of hate, attacks, "out of touch with reality" comebacks, and a slew of "but itz onleez betaz !!11!1-1!" then I have to respond, at least to answer their false assumptions, or to set the record straight.

I thought I did a good job explaining this a few months back, but I suppose it bears repeating. When you see me post, and you respond to me, and then I respond to you, that is a conversation that you and I are having, the two of us. It's in a public place, so others may comment, and I (or you) may respond to those other people. That my (an the Clique's) message stays the same (read: were not flipp flopping or bowing to pressure from the fuck-faces) is a testament to who we are as people, and as community members.

I know that I will not come out and say something sucks unless I am damn sure that it sucks. And when I say I am sure that it sucks, I am going to be sure today, tomorrow, next week, and next year, unless something significant changes.

When you read my response to you, that is just what that is, my response to you. When you read my response to fuck-face #1-114 on the following pages, I AM NOT TALKING TO YOU ! I know thats a tough concept to grasp, but we are all allowed to comment, to state our opinions, to flame, rant, whine, launch and defend from attacks ad nauseum.

As it has been said about 1.2 million fucking times, if you don't like it, don't read it. Use the ignore feature (or PM me if you can't figure out how to use it), read WHO wrote the message before you read the actual message (I like to call this a mental filter).

In summary, we were not copying and pasting anything, we were not spamming and filling threads with the exact same message over and over again (but GG at your attempt at revisionist history). We were having conversations, many of them, and given the ratio of the "clique" to both the "vanbois" group, and the "lets wait and see group" in addition to the "stfu I don't like you or your message group" that was a LOT, A LOT of ground for us 4-6 people to cover in any given thread.

I can see where this can be confusing, but try to grasp the bigger overall picture.

Let me get this straight.
You're having a public conversation with 114 different people, all telling you to shut the fuck up, and you're telling me to use the PM feature?
Does your back hurt, from carrying the burden of your message? here, let me help you get up on that cross. It must be hard to constantly state the obvious, speading the gospel of shit that everyone already knows.

[Twobit Whore]

The Safehouse Forums - View Single Post - McQuaid Calls it Quits

Very interesting 5 year old article. Seems to be coming back full circle.

[gimpz0r]

Originally Posted by The Hiram Key

I can definately say a scout class is a lot more spammy then say, a priest class or even a mage class. Playing Assassin or Dirge and my fingers never sit still, ever. Forget about chatting during combat.

But I can chat all day on the Templar or Warlock, especially the Warlock with the ultra long cast timers (that are fucking retarded) and the "non critical" nature of the role, ie: if I am late casting nobody is dying etc.

With that said, I would rather be spamming and busy then chatting and bored.

yeah I felt pretty bored in LOTRO, I love the EQ2 combat though, especially shield bashing people and making them take a seat beeeyotch! (sorry had to)

[Lost Ranger]

Originally Posted by Cuppycake

I'm not denying that EQ2 combat leaves some to be desired. The problem with EQ2 is that there are tons of skills to mash each fight. Do you have to mash all those skills? Nope - because they don't matter much anyway. As a mystic, I noticed very minimal difference in fighting a mob at level 20 when I threw 5 debuffs on it compared to fighting it solo.

Basically, if you're mashing, its your own damn fault. You don't have to click all those spells and abilities as they're trivial anyway, which is a whole different problem with combat in EQ2.

Umm yeah, dont listen to cuppy guys she really couldnt be more wrong heh. At level 20 you dont have to use all your abilities that is true.. but its fucking level 20 isnt it? Its not as bad for healers this is true (I have a 57 fury on my 2nd account) but you still need to be using most of your nukes/dots etc to be killing effectivly at end game. It is much, much worse for melee dps...

Anyone who has played melee dps to 60+ in EQ2 (maybe not bards, jait?) can tell you with experience that you HAVE to use most if not all of your combat arts to kill effectivly and cut back on downtime. I play a brigand and I cant think of very many combat arts that I can "not mash because they are trivial". If I told my group that I wasnt going to dispatch because it was trivial I would be removed and laughed at. If you dont know what brigands do we are the debuffer/dps/rogue class. We attack a mobs defenses, so other dps classes do more damage. If I use all my skills the mobs armor and resists are shot to shit. If I choose to be lazy and just use 1-2... the mob dies slower and as a result we all gain exp slower.

The problem with EQ2 combat is that there are way too many abilities that ARE NOT trivial. When fighting yellow mobs at 60+ you should see what I have to do. I have a whole list of shit they could do for us brigands so it doesnt look like we are playing the piano while grinding but that is for another thread.

P.S: Using macros can cut down on how many buttons you have to press during any given fight. That is a player-side fix though and doesnt address the fact that combat in EQ2 is pretty busted. Hopefully it is something they address.

[cockles]

Originally Posted by Twobit Whore

The Safehouse Forums - View Single Post - McQuaid Calls it Quits

Very interesting 5 year old article. Seems to be coming back full circle.

Edited by: Glip the Gnome at: 10/15/01 4:03:30 pm

This made me lol.

Also:

Originally Posted by Lost Ranger

Umm yeah, dont listen to cuppy guys she really couldnt be more wrong heh.

Quote of the century. She's a complete retard.

[Oloh]

A lot of good people work at Sigil. If the news is true, then I wish them nothing but the best. A good many of the folks at Sigil put their heart and soul into Vanguard for the better part of a half decade. Hopefully SOE picks up a lot of them and lets them continue what they started.

Vanguard had a lot of good in it. Hopefully, someone will grab the original "ice skating" combat system from Vanguard, tweak it, and work it into another title because it was money.

[Lorrac]

Honestly, when I saw the thread where brad bragged about the luxurious sigil offices including the full-scale reproduction of han solo's frozen body it just came to my mind "this guy shouldn't be managing a business". There's different kinds of talents in this world and while brad is a talented man, his ain't about keeping a development house afloat. The real bad news about sigil closing are the layoffs and the permanent stain this will be on brad.

[Locithon]

Originally Posted by Oloh

A lot of good people work at Sigil. If the news is true, then I wish them nothing but the best. A good many of the folks at Sigil put their heart and soul into Vanguard for the better part of a half decade. Hopefully SOE picks up a lot of them and lets them continue what they started.

Vanguard had a lot of good in it. Hopefully, someone will grab the original "ice skating" combat system from Vanguard, tweak it, and work it into another title because it was money.

Was it you that wrote that long article about VG while it was in either Beta 0 or Beta 1? About how if WoW felt like a "strode in the park" (or something close to that) then VG was like ice skating?

If it is then I blame you for my interest in the game, after I read that article I pretty much decided VG was the next MMO I would try. I'm PM'ing you my paypal information because I want my $55 dollars back.

[Samflam]

Was that the last thing you ever read about VG?
You have no one to blame but yourself.

[Locithon]

Originally Posted by Samflam

Was that the last thing you ever read about VG?
You have no one to blame but yourself.

No, but that's the thing that got the ball rolling so to speak. I didn't really follow the game before that.