Recruiting! Tier 2 Required; Two New Realms Online!

[Man0warr]

It's easy to gear up new recruits. seems the skilled:regular player ratio is pretty low in WoW though. On our server atleast :< We have been stuck on druids for awhile, there just are not any good druids not guilded already on Illidan/Alliance, we still manage to have almost 10 bosses down in Naxx.

[Sabyn]

I am in one of the better guilds on my server (one guild has killed C'thun, another one has killed the emps, we are on Huhu). We have lost a warlock class lead and a good warrior to one of the top two guilds. There is very active scouting by the emp killing guild for the top members in the lower guilds.

[Nakilos]

While its nice to get geared people, there are tons of scrubs in tier 2 and even some with AQ drops that I wouldn't want in my guild anyway. Run BWL 1day a week, and toss the rots (because if you are running Naxx I guarantee short of the trinkets BWL is shard status for all the loot) to an app. If their scrubbiness shows early in BWL, well what do you lose. Raid gets gold splits, you get more Nexus Crystals. If they don't, odds are the app gets enough upgrades to be functional in Naxx.

Recently we've been trying out a warrior who rerolled, we gave him ZG/AQ20 drops, as well as rot BWL drops, and after starting that it really didn't take long to get him to at least be able to tank some trash. You can usually tell fairly quick if someone is going to work out or not, and really losing a few Nexus Crystals isn't the worst thing.

I actually find recruiting to be difficult in a raiding guild in the sense of finding people before actually trying them out on raids. I mean everything is instanced, and at best you might meet some people in AV because odds are you likely run AB/WSG in guild groups, and 5 mans too unless you got a bunch of twinks you run them through. Its more like guilds are their own little society rather than a group within the community because the game really doesn't encourage socialization like it did in EQ.

[Deris]

On my old server the #2, #3 and #4 horde guilds all broke up with the advent of server Xfers, and the #1 horde guild isn't doing so hot right now, and things are looking bleak there. Horde are xferring off at an alarming rate to form new guilds on newer servers, or join well established guilds on other servers.

Tier 2 isn't too tough of a requirement to obtain - if you don't have at LEAST mostly Tier 2 - you will be useless in 90% of Naxxramus, and really have no business being in there. Yes, a few could skimp by, but on a fight like Patchwerk? They'll be more of a detriment to the raid than anything else.

[boy-]

Originally Posted by Man0warr

It's easy to gear up new recruits. seems the skilled:regular player ratio is pretty low in WoW though.

Honestly not sure how easy it is to gear people up. It's easy in the sense taht "if stormrage drops it'll go to an app because no one else needs it". But extremely difficult in the sense that you need the "if stormrage drops" part of it.

Some classes are clearly easier than others (due to being able to use tokenized drops). But we have a couple healer apps and my god it's impossible to gear them due to incredibly shitty itemization and a little bad luck on the drops.

I know if i could get get away with "t2 gear required" on our server, we'd do it.

[Tholan]

bliz should make a 5 or 10 players instance where loot is in par with MC. If we think about it, MC has been out for 2 years now, and a lot of guild would like to stop farming it because it's not fun at all.
It wont be your T2 min requirement but it will allow people to gear for BWL quicker.
After all, why not ? The question is, what will they do with MC

[Quineloe]

gearing Apps in BWL is tricky as that's still a 100% random drops except Nef head. Shit might just not drop, so GL gearing your new tank when you don't see a single Wrath drop for a month. Might be better in 4-5 monhts when you can gear apps on your sunday Naxx farm raid.

[Ukerric]

Originally Posted by Digo

Right, because ilvl 100 blues will drop like candy from every space murloc and mini-boss of the first instance.

Nope. Because, as I pointed out in the thread about "T3 gear is obsolete?", ilvl73 blues (which are what you expect from end-game group-oriented instances), once augmented in all 3 sockets, stand between AQ40 and Naxxaramas in quality.

I'm not talking about ilvl100 blues. I'm talking about ilvl70 blues, plus socketed gems. The blues are what you'll get from the UBRS/DM of the expansion, the gems are what you're going to buy at the AH. That's what is closing the gap in gear: at level 70, you're going to have close to the same gear.

The difference? The raiders who already have that gear are going to push ahead again, while the non-raider will need to farm instances first to reach that level. But, if you require T2-level gear in TBC, you're going to find people who've never ever raided with better stuff.

(and in 6 months, yes, guilds working on The Black Temple are going to require fully socketed tier 5 min gear)

[Digo]

I strongly doubt that ilvl 70 blues will have more than one or two sockets available. That green item on the website is just a sample with three sockets to give people an idea of what to expect. I also wouldn't be surprised if there were limits between the level of the item and the jewels you can put in their slots. Why? Do you think they want people with level 30 green items from the new lowbie zones adding +20 sta jewels to them? I can't imagine they do. Think about the effect putting crusader and fiery enchantments on level 19 weapons has had on the battlegrounds.

[Cad]

Originally Posted by Digo

Think about the effect putting crusader and fiery enchantments on level 19 weapons has had on the battlegrounds.

Yea, and Blizzard has sure jumped on that problem.

[James]

It's a problem?

[Faelagund]

We've played on a couple different servers that have had an insanely bad Horde to Alliance ratio, and keeping our core of leet ex-eq'ers surrounded by decent people has always been difficult, despite being the top Horde guild. Recruiting fully geared t2 apps has always been impossible as we've always been far ahead of the Horde on our servers (though pretty shitty overall lol). The biggest thing about gearing up new people, is that its only worth it if they're good players who aren't going to fag out. With WoW as full of bnet kiddies as it is, its hard to weed out the little tools who keep their mouths shut to get tagged and geared, then emo out to go jerk off in bg's all day or reroll ezmode.

What has worked the best for us was making a developmental guild where new players/apps/server transfers on our low pop server can level up together and get their attunements/blue gear/resist gear together then start filling in empty raid slots. Seeing how committed people are to pumping out those keys and 240 NR gear has been a pretty decent barometer. We also always make sure to disenchant at least one epic that an app wants and make sure they get at least one expletive filled tirade directed their way before they get anything, to weed out the loot whore kiddy fags and carebear retarded mollusks.

[findar]

ur cute fael. lets cyber.

[marketa]

Dont worry,

When AQ40 is on farm status you will be able to gear someone up in 1 run (guarenteed drops). Everyone will still want Cthun.

[Exmonk]

Great first post because it is an issue I feel the same way about.

Like many on this board I come from a pretty hardcore EQ raiding background, but unlike many I didn't switch to wow until march this year. And let me tell you joining a top guild now is a real pain in the ass despite playing nearly 8 hours a day, with 100% availablity.

I got the point where I had all the best items you could get without raiding then looked to join a raiding guild figuring it wouldn't take too long to equip me up to decent standards just taking the rotting gear.

There wasn't much interest at that point because if you didnt have tier 1 at minimum you weren't good enough for top guilds. Considering how lackluster tier 1 is over the right mix of pvp1/heroism/defense gear for wars this seemed to be a poor argument against recruiting someone, not inviting them to guild but just a couple raids and see how they play.

But now with server transfers it became impossible to join a top guild because they're flooded with apps in tier 2. It seems to me that people ready to jump ship and leave their guild after they've gotten their thunderfuries, full wrath are not the people a guild should be looking for. And it goes against my sense of right and wrong to join a guild to gear up with the intent to leave.

So instead of fighting naxx I'm stuck pvping to field marshall for better dps gear, fighting nef with a guild that hasn't beat him. And I can tell you from the wars in my guild that having tier 2 armor does not make you good. With my assorted blues and a couple purples I can offtank just fine and outdps the warriors wielding Sulfuras.

So instead to join one of these guilds I've been preparing to have my Dranei shaman be one of the top shamans on the server, buying the best AH gear, getting mats for jewel crafting set, ect. It seems that without joining a new server farther behind in progress this is the only way to catch up to the curve. It is just a shame that atm I'm reading about Naxx, instead of killing in it.

I'm curious why do top guilds feel the need to focus on gear requirements as one barrier instead of being willing to give someone a shot, don't make him a member if he sucks, but try the person out in some Aq20's, ZGs and see if the attitude works for you. Because in my case I figure I'm what top guilds are looking for, pretty skilled, hate drama, quiet during raids, friendly while grouping, and 95% raid attendance during the worst time of the year for my play time but instead Im not even given a shot because I don't have gear that top guilds are trying to replace atm.