what about us?

[BurnemWizfyre]

"beastlords and bards arent mele" name one class in the game with dual weild that isnt a mele, it may be just a joke but it dont help. To say they are not Mele is absurd, well over 90% of thier damage is generated from mele damage, i think that classifies them as mele. just because bards are better suited to do something else momentarily then to mele doesnt mean they arent mele, lets not forget a bard can sing while still attacking so in fact they are a damn mele and do less damage then any other mele in the game and tank worse.

why dont you just up and say clerics are casters they are healers its about the same damn point you just made.

[Eomer]

Bards have a lot more to offer than just plain melee though, a ton more. They are neither melee nor casters, they are simply bards. They should do th least melee damage of any class that actually does melee.

[BurnemWizfyre]

bards are unique no doubting that 1 bit, but however they are mele and i never stated that they shouldnt be the low end damage wise of mele which i feel as though they do fit under the mele category. however i mentioned beastlords and bards to the people that stood around whning how bad they stunk and that they were the worse mele in the game completely ignoring 2 mele classes which is exactly what they are, mele classes.

[Bear]

IF they wouldnt have made the bard epic bards would still run around with drums and stuff instead of weapons so for em they arent a core melee class(if at all). and beasts... delete them please dont waste the time for tuning them put in that time to fix other stuff

[Tancred]

The other class (apart from Beastmasters) that dual wield and aren't melee are Bards :P

I'm serious. Neither of these classes get main-hand damage bonuses therefore I say they aren't true melee. You may disagree but I think it's an important enough distinction.

[BurnemWizfyre]

i guess since we should just delete them rather then fixing them so they can work on more important things such as improving youre class so you no longer have penis envy? why is it the true genius comes out when people have no idea how to fix something because they have no idea about the topic.
Believe it or not folks, a bard can solo shrooms all damn day long in fg just like a monk can and they dont do the damage by casting or singing, they fucking use the weapons in thier hand to produce MELE damage. Mele dependant to be wanted by a raid no, mele dependant when on thier own obviously. Roles change for situations but it doesnt put a class into a different classification entirely because of it.

[BurnemWizfyre]

so because they dont have a damage bonus on main hand, all the simmilar traits they recieve that ESTABLISHED and i say established because apparently not everyone shares my beliefs that they are mele makes them not mele?

Im not going to list every single trait that they have that is compareable to established mele but you want to throw all that out the window because of a main hand damage bonus thats simplly pure genius, why dint i think of that?!?!

Here let me use youre logic, Druids, Shamans and Clerics are not pure casters, because thier weapons skills do not cap at 110 like int casters thus giving them a slight edge in the mele no longer making them Pure Casters. Im going to ignore all the other shit they are compareable to the int casters because of 1 difference.

[Brayle]

MELEE - Its been spelled how many hundreds of times on the first page of this forum yet the one person overusing it can't spell it to save their life.

Also, I fixed your sig, it should say the following:

Never argue with morons, I will drag you down to my level and beat you with experience or at least annoy you with my stupidity.

[BurnemWizfyre]

yes you just completely owned me because i left out a single E in the word melee thus making all statements i said null and void and absolutely ridicolous. I appologize and will take my place behind the rock in the corner.

Grammar, Spelling, and puncatation is often most flamed when the poster can not think of something inteligent enough to counter someones thought or beliefs with thier own. Brayle, you fit into this category.

[Tancred]

"Druids, Shamans and Clerics are not pure casters"

Correct.
You're catching on.

[BurnemWizfyre]

can you plz wait i mean please dont want to be flamed for shortening a word that most of the population will understand anyways, give me more examples that most of the eq community have understood as facts that are now thrown out the window because of youre logic?

Bards arent pure melee i understand this and im not denying this either, but a melee class none the less where as damn near all the damage that they will dish out will be via melee in every situation.

Beastlords arent pure melee, and in fact either or Shadow Knights, Paladins and Rangers are not either because they have the ability to cast beneficial spells (though obviously some more beneficial then others)

Pure melee consist of Warriors, Monks, Rogues. These classes here have no mana to speak of and can not cast spells (for ignorant people item effects dont count)

Now when you speak of thier roles and im not going to stereotype my oppinion on this to every single scenario but in general Rogues, Rangers, Beast Masters, Monks are roles are to do damage to the mob the end. im going to exlcude the monks pulling abilities out on this one.

Now the reason i left out Paladins, Shadow Knights, and Warriors are because even though some of them do nice melee damage output they are required and expected to tank at times...Warriors being expected to be the Main Tank, in places where pulls that cant be mezzed paladins and Shadow Knights are a good choice to tank because they can grab aggro rather quickly thus sparing the lifes of others and they tank rather well. Though when it comes to just a 1 mob fight the shadow knights and paladins fall back into the last category i mentioned as exclusive melee damage.

Bards are unique and are in thier own lil world i know, but they should still be considered mele. Why some people refuse to see this i do not understand and until someone gives a valid explanation other then using deranged logic or spelling/punctuation/grammar reasons i will tend to believe the way i do. Im not narrow minded and honestly would like to hear a good reason they shouldnt be considered as some form of mele since ive helped distinquish there is a difference (that alot of people have stated i dint come up with this shit on my own) between the mele's and thier classification as such.

[Darkmyst]

Bards are unique and are in thier own lil world i know, but they should still be considered mele. Why some people refuse to see this i do not understand and until someone gives a valid explanation

Because it has always been intended that a bards power come from thier songs not thier weapons. Even Verant game designers recently said at the Boston Fan Fair that if forced class bards as melee or spell casters they would call them casters and the reason was that bards power should be derived from their songs, not thier weapons. They did qualify this with stating that bards are thier own thing - not melee, not caste, not hybrid but a unique class that doesn't really compare to anyother thing in EQ.

[BurnemWizfyre]

I agree with that, bards power should come from thier song and not thier weapons but i dont feel this is the case due to whats wrong with bards. Maybe im just wrong by trying to define a class such as bards when verrant them self cant really do so see'ing as how what they claim and whats truth is 2 different things. Bards song do more for others power then what it does for themself in my oppinion and their melee abilities provide them with mainly the source of power which they rely on to get the job done when on thier own. When thinking of trying to define a class i think what they do on a raid and what they do when solo and bards are extremely bi-polar in this matter which may cause people to lean one way or the other when trying to classify them. Maybe the best classification we could give them would be Bards

[Camo]

Problem is simple really. Damage dealt was balanced, as fucked up as that might be and is, they at least worked on it to balance it. Defense has never been balanced. It has been capped, and in that infinite wisdom there is no reason to balance it, right? Except for the fact that the only purpose of (mainly) the warrior is to tank it makes no sense.

Balance should come in being able to get by with a knight tanking for you if you don't have enough warriors and an overabundance of say clerics. Unfortunately, in EQ right now, balance comes with the same classes being able to deal the most damage also being able to take it just as well. The ONLY reasons warriors tank better then any other melee (with same or better defensive skills) class is the taunt weapons that prove how broken taunt is, and the over abundance of HP items guilds have to give them so they feel like they can do thier job better then other classes.

Someone challenged Furor to throw a monk in front of the Emp. Sad thing is, a monk with within 1000 hps of him probably would do a better job of tanking.

[Golspre]

Whining about bards? You gotta be kidding right?


/shout Camp_00_ needs a chanter/bard pst.


Bards aren't useful? Get a life. And shove your swords where the sun don't shine while you are at it, you solo much better than my warrior does, maybe it's the better weapon ratios and the fact that you can sing mega haste and heal yourselves better than a fungi while fighting at the same time. Adds? hehe, make a pet, mez the rest, what adds? Start commenting on classes that actually have problems, bards ain't it. (and bards ain't melee either)