The Loot Situation In PoP - Quit Dicking Us Around

Furor Planedefiler · 12-27-2002, 11:11 AM

I think it's about time this problem is addressed. First of all, the loot tables for boss mobs in the Elemental planes are abymsally small (actually for the entire expansion). We're talking 1-3 unique items per boss - MAX. Compare this with any average VT boss, for example, who average out 10 unique items per boss and you can see a problem.

You have to then factor in that the PITA to get to these bosses and to kill them is much, much greater than VT's PITA (which is quite frankly saying a lot about the PITA itself) and you see the problem growing.

Now, it's blatantly obvious little to no thought was given in itemizing most if not all of these mobs. The NTOV syndrome is happening again with elemental armor already ("*Groan* "Silk Elemental Boot pattern on this...." grats rot). The elemental molds are taking up loot slots to boot. I strongly disagree with this philosophy. The way I see elemental armor at this point is that we'll definitely need to be in it to progress past the Tier 4 Overlords. The only way to get them is on 3-7 day timer bosses who can RANDOMLY drop one freaking piece. Coincidentally, they beat more ass than anything previously seen in game.

So four months down the line when every caster in your guild has 2 silk bracers and a set of silk boots while the melee are still fumbling all over themselves in their absolute shit gear, you're gonna hear it - luckily you have me to tell you what to do right now.

Let me briefly summarize so far: Our 'bread and butter' loot drops only in the elemental planes, zones of massive PITA. The items actually only drop off bosses, and the most difficult of the bosses at that, and almost always one item per boss (which is generally a mold) thus negating an actual loot drop. Now imagine if in NTOV, for example, the armor pieces only dropped off of one of the 13 or so dragons, took up a loot spot in the dragon's loot pool, and the dragon only dropped ONE item. That would be horrible, even for NTOV.

The solution is pretty simple. Design REAL loot for boss mobs. Add mini-bosses that are campable spawns in each zone that drop molds 1-3 at a time. For example, in the Field of Gib in PoFire you could have a Flame Lord Berserker be a rare spawn which has the chance to drop a mold. It would be a normal rare mob with a PH, etc.. the ones we've all grown to love. Each zone should have an ASSLOAD of these mini's so that one zone doesn't monopolize player traffic (which is happening right now because PoWater and PoEarth are huge festering shitpiles).

The way I see it, this needs to be looked at now, not three months from now when everyone is pissed off and disillusioned.

One last note and I pray I see this fixed ASAP. YOU SHOULD NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER SEE A SPECTRAL PARCHMENT DROP IN AN ELEMENTAL PLANE. Especially not off a boss mob that has 500k hps and Quad AE Rampages for 2950 a pop with a .5 second delay. That is COMPLETE HORSESHIT. Rune drops were upped in some retarded tier 3 zones to appease the cattle. Wait until your cattle reach the Tier 4 zones and see nothing but end game boss ring encounters net Runes.

Zarseem Nasaar · 12-27-2002, 11:35 AM

So, wait, let me get this straight...

You go through VT, get all this l33t gear, and think to yourself,"Wow, yeah, the mobs have a bazillion hitpoints, and take 3 played days to kill, but fuck, even the yard trash drops some nice shit. And FT and Vengeance for everyone. Let the choirlights shine, the anegsl hark or some fucking thing, and the loot rolls in. Yep, pain in the ass to get the keys, and kill the mobs, but damn, what a reward."

Then out comes PoP. I've seen the gear. Looks spiff. No neat new graphics, no particles. Fuck, not even FT or Vengeance or anything like that on half of it. And you have to run the gauntlet of getting quadded for 2950 a WHACK just to get it? Why the fuck even bother? And if that's the melee, what the fuck is the AE like!?

There's my 2 cents. My 10 cents is free.

Bizantium · 12-27-2002, 12:10 PM

FUROR GIVE US A FUCKING GUILD UPDATE.

Thanks man

BTW Furor you got heart bro if it weren't for you Everquest would be a shitty ass game with many many bug's. I completely agree with your ..... complaint. Even though im not able to reach elemental plains but me and my guild are almost there we took down MM Bertoxx and Agnarr..we're getting there and from what i've seen so far I expect NOT to see a damn spectral drop off any boss mob in the Elemental PLains. No way

Grae · 12-27-2002, 12:20 PM

I assume your not talking about a food. So for the acronym challenged, PITA is...

Sylvos · 12-27-2002, 12:23 PM

Pain In The Ass....

Solutions · 12-27-2002, 12:24 PM

pain in the ass.

Aspheris · 12-27-2002, 12:33 PM

You gotta love all these Eq terms.

As for furor's rant, well i'm sorry bro but that team moved to the new expantion so no fix for a long time.

Your Hero · 12-27-2002, 12:45 PM

I like turkey on pita, crackwheat pitas in particular

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Furor I live to find out what your guild did

God Furor your cock is so huge, can I please play with it tonight and every night for that matter?

Merauk · 12-27-2002, 12:59 PM

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Originally posted by Furor Planedefiler
Add mini-bosses that are campable spawns in each zone that drop molds 1-3 at a time

I think SOV did a good job on the armor drops. Random drops off yard trash in Kael/TOV (or POG) most of which was doable by one group. While POP armor is obviously better then SOV armor, it is no better then SOV armor was when it first started dropping (i.e. given the differing points of time in game the upgrades are roughly the same in effect). So why make it so much more difficult to aquire now the it was in SOV, such as putting them on a miniboss? To me putting ornate molds on random mobs in tier 2/3 zones and elemental molds on random mobs in the tier 4 zones makes for a better solution.

Slysx · 12-27-2002, 01:20 PM

you are a smart guy, Star Wars comes out April 15, 03. So VI needs to crank out another EQ expansion before then to maximize profits. I am guessing March 30th. Attempting to meet that deadline means no PoP changes.

Zarseem Nasaar · 12-27-2002, 01:23 PM

It's really sad now that HoT can be done with 2 people.

Bladefury · 12-27-2002, 02:20 PM

Why they bother is cause they want to be first.

As for loot... yes. Too little is dropping for the crews of at least 50+ that you'll need for this stuff.

Remember Velious kings? They each had 6 drops per kill. All of them all had their BEST loot drop EACH time too. (Heads for quests, definately best part of all of their loot tables.) Sure, most of the stuff is crap by now, but back THEN it was awesome. Even Tunare has 4 drops + 2 BP's.

I can understand 6 not dropping off of EVERY boss though. NToV for example, you already get 2-3 pieces from every dragon. Which is alot of loot, and little time is spent getting to the next dragon too.

Not to mention that NToV never had any time sinks to zone in!

NToV was very well designed at the time though, you do have to admit. Although maybe it should have been a little harder, with a LITTLE bit better loot so it could last through more expansions.

Bladefury · 12-27-2002, 02:22 PM

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It's really sad now that HoT can be done with 2 people.

Yeah. Now consider that the mobs are easier then your normal exp groups in the planes too.

Gee... HoT exp group anyone?

doharg · 12-27-2002, 02:52 PM

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BTW Furor you got heart bro if it weren't for you Everquest would be a shitty ass game with many many bug's.

I would argue that it weren't for him (and those like him), the game wouldn't have gotten considerably more trivial every patch day for the last three years. Furors stance on every topic can be sumed up like this. The rewards for me are far too little, the rewards for everyone else are far too great. He does only what is in his best interest, I wouldn't thank him too much.

Furor Planedefiler · 12-27-2002, 02:58 PM

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Originally posted by doharg

I would argue that it weren't for him (and those like him), the game wouldn't have gotten considerably more trivial every patch day for the last three years. Furors stance on every topic can be sumed up like this. The rewards for me are far too little, the rewards for everyone else are far too great. He does only what is in his best interest, I wouldn't thank him too much.

It isn't easy staying on top for as long as I have. Degenerates like you should be kissing my brown lovehole for all of the contributions I have made to the wonderous world of EQ.

When your gimp ass reaches an elemental plane in 6-9 months, the lewt will flow and I'll have another comparison to make come next expansion.

I am the people's choice... also your hero, bitch...

12-27-2002, 11:11 AM	#1 (permalink)
Furor Planedefiler A Relic Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,229 +28 Internets	The Loot Situation In PoP - Quit Dicking Us Around I think it's about time this problem is addressed. First of all, the loot tables for boss mobs in the Elemental planes are abymsally small (actually for the entire expansion). We're talking 1-3 unique items per boss - MAX. Compare this with any average VT boss, for example, who average out 10 unique items per boss and you can see a problem. You have to then factor in that the PITA to get to these bosses and to kill them is much, much greater than VT's PITA (which is quite frankly saying a lot about the PITA itself) and you see the problem growing. Now, it's blatantly obvious little to no thought was given in itemizing most if not all of these mobs. The NTOV syndrome is happening again with elemental armor already ("Groan "Silk Elemental Boot pattern on this...." grats rot). The elemental molds are taking up loot slots to boot. I strongly disagree with this philosophy. The way I see elemental armor at this point is that we'll definitely need to be in it to progress past the Tier 4 Overlords. The only way to get them is on 3-7 day timer bosses who can RANDOMLY drop one freaking piece. Coincidentally, they beat more ass than anything previously seen in game. So four months down the line when every caster in your guild has 2 silk bracers and a set of silk boots while the melee are still fumbling all over themselves in their absolute shit gear, you're gonna hear it - luckily you have me to tell you what to do right now. Let me briefly summarize so far: Our 'bread and butter' loot drops only in the elemental planes, zones of massive PITA. The items actually only drop off bosses, and the most difficult of the bosses at that, and almost always one item per boss (which is generally a mold) thus negating an actual loot drop. Now imagine if in NTOV, for example, the armor pieces only dropped off of one of the 13 or so dragons, took up a loot spot in the dragon's loot pool, and the dragon only dropped ONE item. That would be horrible, even for NTOV. The solution is pretty simple. Design REAL loot for boss mobs. Add mini-bosses that are campable spawns in each zone that drop molds 1-3 at a time. For example, in the Field of Gib in PoFire you could have a Flame Lord Berserker be a rare spawn which has the chance to drop a mold. It would be a normal rare mob with a PH, etc.. the ones we've all grown to love. Each zone should have an ASSLOAD of these mini's so that one zone doesn't monopolize player traffic (which is happening right now because PoWater and PoEarth are huge festering shitpiles). The way I see it, this needs to be looked at now, not three months from now when everyone is pissed off and disillusioned. One last note and I pray I see this fixed ASAP. YOU SHOULD NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER SEE A SPECTRAL PARCHMENT DROP IN AN ELEMENTAL PLANE. Especially not off a boss mob that has 500k hps and Quad AE Rampages for 2950 a pop with a .5 second delay. That is COMPLETE HORSESHIT. Rune drops were upped in some retarded tier 3 zones to appease the cattle. Wait until your cattle reach the Tier 4 zones and see nothing but end game boss ring encounters net Runes.

12-27-2002, 11:35 AM	#2 (permalink)
Zarseem Nasaar Your existence offends me. End it. Immediately. Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 90 -1 Internets	So, wait, let me get this straight... You go through VT, get all this l33t gear, and think to yourself,"Wow, yeah, the mobs have a bazillion hitpoints, and take 3 played days to kill, but fuck, even the yard trash drops some nice shit. And FT and Vengeance for everyone. Let the choirlights shine, the anegsl hark or some fucking thing, and the loot rolls in. Yep, pain in the ass to get the keys, and kill the mobs, but damn, what a reward." Then out comes PoP. I've seen the gear. Looks spiff. No neat new graphics, no particles. Fuck, not even FT or Vengeance or anything like that on half of it. And you have to run the gauntlet of getting quadded for 2950 a WHACK just to get it? Why the fuck even bother? And if that's the melee, what the fuck is the AE like!? There's my 2 cents. My 10 cents is free. __________________ Zarseem Nasaar Necromantic Perfection "How can one man bear so much hatred, rage, self-loathing, and spite...and not get buried in his own insanity or corrupted by the very essence of misery he represents?"

12-27-2002, 12:10 PM	#3 (permalink)
Bizantium Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 741 +0 Internets	FUROR GIVE US A FUCKING GUILD UPDATE. Thanks man BTW Furor you got heart bro if it weren't for you Everquest would be a shitty ass game with many many bug's. I completely agree with your ..... complaint. Even though im not able to reach elemental plains but me and my guild are almost there we took down MM Bertoxx and Agnarr..we're getting there and from what i've seen so far I expect NOT to see a damn spectral drop off any boss mob in the Elemental PLains. No way Last edited by Bizantium; 12-27-2002 at 12:16 PM..

12-27-2002, 12:20 PM	#4 (permalink)
Grae Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: MN Posts: 11 -1 Internets	I assume your not talking about a food. So for the acronym challenged, PITA is... __________________ Grae

12-27-2002, 12:33 PM	#7 (permalink)
Aspheris Clan of Shadows Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miami Posts: 62 -1 Internets	You gotta love all these Eq terms. As for furor's rant, well i'm sorry bro but that team moved to the new expantion so no fix for a long time. __________________ [63 Shadow Knight]Isammu Miau

12-27-2002, 12:23 PM	#5 (permalink)
Sylvos The Sylvan Knight - Fires of Heaven Officer. Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sherwood,OR Posts: 113 -1 Internets	Pain In The Ass....

12-27-2002, 12:24 PM	#6 (permalink)
Solutions Deucer Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: West Virginia Posts: 53 -1 Internets	pain in the ass.

12-27-2002, 01:20 PM	#10 (permalink)
Slysx Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 46 -1 Internets	Furor you are a smart guy, Star Wars comes out April 15, 03. So VI needs to crank out another EQ expansion before then to maximize profits. I am guessing March 30th. Attempting to meet that deadline means no PoP changes.

12-27-2002, 01:23 PM	#11 (permalink)
Zarseem Nasaar Your existence offends me. End it. Immediately. Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 90 -1 Internets	It's really sad now that HoT can be done with 2 people. __________________ Zarseem Nasaar Necromantic Perfection "How can one man bear so much hatred, rage, self-loathing, and spite...and not get buried in his own insanity or corrupted by the very essence of misery he represents?"

12-27-2002, 02:20 PM	#12 (permalink)
Bladefury Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 427 +2 Internets	Why they bother is cause they want to be first. As for loot... yes. Too little is dropping for the crews of at least 50+ that you'll need for this stuff. Remember Velious kings? They each had 6 drops per kill. All of them all had their BEST loot drop EACH time too. (Heads for quests, definately best part of all of their loot tables.) Sure, most of the stuff is crap by now, but back THEN it was awesome. Even Tunare has 4 drops + 2 BP's. I can understand 6 not dropping off of EVERY boss though. NToV for example, you already get 2-3 pieces from every dragon. Which is alot of loot, and little time is spent getting to the next dragon too. Not to mention that NToV never had any time sinks to zone in! NToV was very well designed at the time though, you do have to admit. Although maybe it should have been a little harder, with a LITTLE bit better loot so it could last through more expansions. __________________ What?

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