The Loot Situation In PoP - Quit Dicking Us Around

[Hurk]

Originally posted by OG Dephton


I guess you expect everyone to walk around on Eggshells and hold hands in hippyville? The only people that have issues with people playing the high end game are ones that wish the roles were reversed. I'm hardly in an uberguild, but I'm not gonna come to the FoH guild board and tell them they are full of shit, when I know that they have pretty much played this game to its fullest, and seem to always have a good sense of balance in regards to it.



Someone should post a shortlist of shit that has been changed from kunark to now, solely based on feedback from FoH, LoS, AL, etc. Would be a neat look at what exactly has been done to help out the non "ubers"

its called persepective, and while I agree the majority of the people who flame furor do it simply to shout at the Man, there are a few that simple see things from a diffrent angle that Furor cannot. Take mid level guilds for instance, and Furor's recent idea to put molds on mini-bosses. Most in the thread said why not go back to ToV loot and let them drop random, counting on the skill of the guild's crafters to finish them.

Furor doesnt like that view, he wants you to **work** IE take a Raid to get these kinds of drops. Its his perspective, and he voices it a lot. its not at all playable for 90% of the EQ population, but hay... they dont matter anyway.

Post a list of shit al/foh/triton changed? its as good as it is bad. a few examples:
AoW changed to be killable
SSra dungeon difficulty lowered
Seru nerfed to not be a zerg fest

examples of "closing the door"
Ring event in Ntov
3x upgrades to the power of ToV mobs
nerf of all zones with PBAOE mobs due to abuse and bragging
velious being released assmuming you had at least 6 cleric breastplates in your guild
key quests in luclin to slow content consumption rate.
mod rod nerfs
monk nerfs
cleric nerfs
gimped blue mob scale post level 60
coth nerfs
mana burn nerf

major changes caused by these guilds like the nerf of mod rods did not affect them, but it did stop every single guild that was below their power level from catching up. people were using rods to do things like tov, kael, dain, sebilis, etc, small guilds used this power to replace their lack of healings and nukers. they got set back 6 months by this one change.

Its things like that ... the paladin nerf is the only time VI realised what they were doing, there were so few people that could actually do the gross 8k crits it didnt matter. sure it should have been balanced, but their solution didnt change the game much for those few people in the top end guilds get a small slap on the wrist, while the some thousands of mid level guilds that are using these abilities as a foundation on which to build stratigy would get bent over yet agian.

Same thing with mana burn. a small guild with one or two burners could get a 3rd to join them and do 50% of their targets health, where as the top three guilds are fighting things that even 10 mana burns would go unnoticed. Sure people where hogging kunark dragons, thats called capitalism, and it worked quite well. Before the nerf red scales were selling for under 8k on my server, now they are well above 15k agian. I would much rather have purchased epics than wasted the guilds time chasing after these spawns.

[Furor Planedefiler]

Originally posted by Hurk


its called persepective, and while I agree the majority of the people who flame furor do it simply to shout at the Man, there are a few that simple see things from a diffrent angle that Furor cannot. Take mid level guilds for instance, and Furor's recent idea to put molds on mini-bosses. Most in the thread said why not go back to ToV loot and let them drop random, counting on the skill of the guild's crafters to finish them.

Furor doesnt like that view, he wants you to **work** IE take a Raid to get these kinds of drops. Its his perspective, and he voices it a lot. its not at all playable for 90% of the EQ population, but hay... they dont matter anyway.

Post a list of shit al/foh/triton changed? its as good as it is bad. a few examples:
AoW changed to be killable
SSra dungeon difficulty lowered
Seru nerfed to not be a zerg fest

examples of "closing the door"
Ring event in Ntov
3x upgrades to the power of ToV mobs
nerf of all zones with PBAOE mobs due to abuse and bragging
velious being released assmuming you had at least 6 cleric breastplates in your guild
key quests in luclin to slow content consumption rate.
mod rod nerfs
monk nerfs
cleric nerfs
gimped blue mob scale post level 60
coth nerfs
mana burn nerf

major changes caused by these guilds like the nerf of mod rods did not affect them, but it did stop every single guild that was below their power level from catching up. people were using rods to do things like tov, kael, dain, sebilis, etc, small guilds used this power to replace their lack of healings and nukers. they got set back 6 months by this one change.

Its things like that ... the paladin nerf is the only time VI realised what they were doing, there were so few people that could actually do the gross 8k crits it didnt matter. sure it should have been balanced, but their solution didnt change the game much for those few people in the top end guilds get a small slap on the wrist, while the some thousands of mid level guilds that are using these abilities as a foundation on which to build stratigy would get bent over yet agian.

Same thing with mana burn. a small guild with one or two burners could get a 3rd to join them and do 50% of their targets health, where as the top three guilds are fighting things that even 10 mana burns would go unnoticed. Sure people where hogging kunark dragons, thats called capitalism, and it worked quite well. Before the nerf red scales were selling for under 8k on my server, now they are well above 15k agian. I would much rather have purchased epics than wasted the guilds time chasing after these spawns.

Hahah.. Hurk, not only are you a bonafide moron, you're an Everquest newbie to boot. Here's some advice for you: When you are talking about Everquest, at least have some experience in having PLAYED the fucking game at some level of competency beyond farming Bouncer Hurd for Crude Steins.

Bravo... Bravo I say....

And I suppose I shouldn't let this go without one bit of information for your sorry, uninformed ass. Had manaburn not been nerfed, 10 wizards could have Manaburned Solusek Ro and nearly every other mob in PoP to dead or near dead instantly - everytime. That woulda really brought down the prices on the lewtz for you to purchase.

Viva la France...

[Aspheris]

I know personally 3 different uber guilds on 3 different servers (meaning they were all the best on their server) that during the first weeks of SOV killed mobs and looted up and then complained to have them changed knowing that now that they have the loot the can do the new upgraded mobs.

Tov was the same way even sleepers, the top guilds farmed for a few weeks then cried that it was to easy and to make it harder, but by then they had the loot but that second and third guild didn’t have the loot so it took them longer to beat the upgraded mobs while the number 1 guild moved on.

I know nobody here likes bugs but i say fix the bug only if it's pathing fine fix it if there’s no loot dropping fix it but don't make a mob harder or remove it because the top guilds think it is to easy or the loot isn't right.

I know a nice flame can cover almost anything, calling someone gimp or saying go back to seb or crushbone is the #1 answer to anything that doesn't agree with you, I know that saying and proving your the best should mean everyone else should shut up because they know nothing, I did it do back before kunark killing vox and naggy at the same time getting in bbs wars saying that you must be gimp if your guild can dual raid ect.

But i also know that there are a lot of gimp things all #1's do to stay #1 and people need to remember that.

I know that we would call someone a gimp and a loser one week and then they join us and 2 weeks later they are the best (insert class here) in the guild.

I know we could press anyone to do almost anything because if they guild remove where are they gonna go?

See even in a #2 guild you worry your best cleric or warrior may get taken from you when your #1 that worry is almost non-existent.

We always would claim that everyone was jealous of us and that anyone who disagreed with us were mad because they weren’t us even if they could never be uber because of there play time.

You don’t have to walk on eggshells but there is a thing called respect and everyone should start will at least a little unless they disrespect you first.

[Aspheris]

Another thing anyone who has been in school should know, the best time to get in a dissing contest is with all your friends around because no matter how lame your jokes are your friends will always laugh at them, and you better be sure to back them up when it's their turn.

[Utnayan]

Ahh, so you are claiming designers are lazy based on zero evidence, just talking out of your ass. That's what I thought. And breaking things on purpose to slow content? You need to watch out for the Black Helicopters which are swinging by your house at night and making crop circles

Hey just what I thought, you are a duckfucked chimp with the brain size of a small can of tuna.

Christ open your fucking eyes nimrod. They stalled content to finishing sleepers by breaking the warder because they didn't have the script finished. They hid access to PoM because they didn't have the loot table finished. Nor most of the quests. But people found it anyhow. The VT key quest was broken for a time because they didn't have half of VT done. And now they have areas broken in Tier 4 zones because Plane of Time isn't finished.

Take your fucking head out of your ass. I do not see black helicopters, but for fucks sake, at least I can see one flying aove me if I open my eyes at an airport.

You fucking moron.

[Algol Devilstar]

Originally posted by Flaw
To reply to the dumbfuck who said he couldnt unscramble my closing words, they were "fucking fag" which does fit the questioner perfect.

Its called fucking sarcasm, and dont pull that, " I was being sarcastic too dumbfuck," bullshit either. GD retard.

[nadime]

Take your fucking head out of your ass. I do not see black helicopters, but for fucks sake, at least I can see one flying aove me if I open my eyes at an airport.

You fucking moron.

Posts that end in insults > all

[Zeno]

Originally posted by Flaw
To reply to the dumbfuck who said he couldnt unscramble my closing words, they were "fucking fag" which does fit the questioner perfect.

Only a colossal idiot is capable of producing such ironic genius---try unscrambling the mysteries of the English language sometime, Turbo.

"fucking fag"

[BirgittePovar]

Originally posted by Utnayan


Hey just what I thought, you are a duckfucked chimp with the brain size of a small can of tuna.

Christ open your fucking eyes nimrod. They stalled content to finishing sleepers by breaking the warder because they didn't have the script finished. They hid access to PoM because they didn't have the loot table finished. Nor most of the quests. But people found it anyhow. The VT key quest was broken for a time because they didn't have half of VT done. And now they have areas broken in Tier 4 zones because Plane of Time isn't finished.

Take your fucking head out of your ass. I do not see black helicopters, but for fucks sake, at least I can see one flying aove me if I open my eyes at an airport.

You fucking moron.

Heh. There is a massive difference between not fixing already broken content and purposefully breaking existing content that works. All of these examples you listed are the former, not the latter.

Care to come up with a *REAL* example where they broke content that already worked on purpose? Note: Not removed or nerfed, *BROKE*. I bet you can't do it.

If you truly hate Verant enough to think that any break was intentional, then you are flat out paranoid, and thus the black helicopters/crop circles comment was well suited to you.

Sheesh, for fucks sake I don't even like Verant as a company. I think they are underhanded bastards who use their semi-monopoly to thoroughly undermine their customer base, and do so repeatedly. But I always come off defending them against people like you, who make positively ludicrous claims, claims that you back up with "facts" which don't apply. People so blinded by their hatred of Verant/Sony that they don't even see how stupid their claims really are.

[Flaw]

um, im not going to say "I was being sarcastic too, dumbfuck" line, im going to use the, "I was not being sarcastic too, dumbfuck" line.

utnayan has dished out more ass kickin through words lately then I know what to do with, and no im not being sarcastic

[Flaw]

Originally posted by Zeno


Only a colossal idiot is capable of producing such ironic genius---try unscrambling the mysteries of the English language sometime, Turbo.

"fucking fag"

hmmmmm, what in the fuck are you trying to express in your weak statement. Other then trying to throw out some big words combined in a candy-ass flame, i dont see much potential.

[Algol Devilstar]

On being the predictable Flaw. I guess I should apologize since I placed that post in there just as bait for you, but then I never liked you anyways.

[Flaw]

Bait? Wow I guess we see who creates all the MasterPlans around here now, remarkable sceme you've been plotting.

And you never liked me anyways? Im glad you have proven your affection, would you mind sharing with us a few people you do indeed like on this message board? I dont feel I will be able to get another nights sleep until your love for other certain members here is revealed!

[Luthair]

Originally posted by Utnayan
Keep your eye on Blizzard. I hope to God they can bring some quality into this degenerate fucked up genre. If not, heh, you can rest welll assured the MMOG world will die a slow and painfull death.

Major problem with online Blizzard games... they use the same team as Microsoft for security. They have yet to release a game that doesn't have a new hack every 30 seconds.

Its things like that ... the paladin nerf is the only time VI realised what they were doing, there were so few people that could actually do the gross 8k crits it didnt matter. sure it should have been balanced, but their solution didnt change the game much for those few people in the top end guilds get a small slap on the wrist, while the some thousands of mid level guilds that are using these abilities as a foundation on which to build stratigy would get bent over yet agian.

Paladins weren't nerfed, they just capped the slay rate at what it was currently at. Furor etc had nothing to do with it, that relates to comments in beta. (Supposedly someone whining they couldn't get a group, who knows)

ame thing with mana burn. a small guild with one or two burners could get a 3rd to join them and do 50% of their targets health, where as the top three guilds are fighting things that even 10 mana burns would go unnoticed. Sure people where hogging kunark dragons, thats called capitalism, and it worked quite well. Before the nerf red scales were selling for under 8k on my server, now they are well above 15k agian. I would much rather have purchased epics than wasted the guilds time chasing after these spawns.

Thats your opinion, mine is that manaburn was wrong from day one. The first day a burn squad surfaced I said that they were gonna have to do a Donal BP-esque nerf on it.

[Maegril]

Originally posted by Aspheris
Another thing anyone who has been in school should know, the best time to get in a dissing contest is with all your friends around because no matter how lame your jokes are your friends will always laugh at them, and you better be sure to back them up when it's their turn.

Did you seriously just try to make a logical argument on the basis of "The Rules of the Playground"?

Man, you rock!