Why all the nerd rage against Vanguard?

[Ellsworth]

Originally Posted by tad10

When was the last time you played the game? And I mean take a character to 15 or so not just 5 minutes in newbie zones. Seriously do you really believe you know what you're talking about?

I'm pretty tired of people who played the game in beta2 a year ago ragging on the game.

I did that with my monk about 3 weeks ago before i uninstalled the game. The game got progressively worse for me the farther I got in the game.

When I was playing the game I kept going with the 'it gets better' but I found grouping to be painfully difficult, the game to run terribly, and combat animations were just plain ugly.

I felt like I gave it a good chance. Hated it though.

Crafting sucked, diplomacy was just halfassed [imho]

I did my best.

[kedwyn]

Originally Posted by vynde

i can understand 20+ year olds doing it on weekdays if they have a full time job and they just wanna relax after coming home from work. but on the weekends people should be going out

Not everyone works 9-5 40+ hours a week. Sure most do but when you consider that these games already cater to people with time on their hands as it is its natural for people that work odd shifts or have a lot of free time (IE dont' have to work as much) to play them.

Regardless you would be hard pressed to get nearly unlimited entertainment for $14 a month. MMO's are a great value if you have a little bit of time to put in. 3-4 hours a night on Vanguard is more than enough to see pretty good advancement in Vanguard even at higher levels.

[vynde]

Originally Posted by kedwyn

Regardless you would be hard pressed to get nearly unlimited entertainment for $14 a month. MMO's are a great value if you have a little bit of time to put in. 3-4 hours a night on Vanguard is more than enough to see pretty good advancement in Vanguard even at higher levels.

oddly enough, I fell in love with eq because my time schedule was contrained. when I didnt have unlimited hours to play it left me wanting more every time i logged off.

[Kejah]

Originally Posted by tad10

When was the last time you played the game? And I mean take a character to 15 or so not just 5 minutes in newbie zones. Seriously do you really believe you know what you're talking about?

I'm pretty tired of people who played the game in beta2 a year ago ragging on the game.

Ok we get it, you'd marry the fucking game if you could. As much as people hate those who rag on VG, every post of yours is like some 13 year old girl with a crush on the high school quarterback. We get it.

Have fun with VG. Glad you like it, feels too much like EQ and if I want that. Well, you know.

[Eomer]

Originally Posted by Lyrical

I originally posted to try to figure out why the board got it so wrong on Vanguard, when usually the posters here are dead on about the quality of MMO's, video games, movies, etc. I don't know if I am explaining myself, but I guess the whole VG launch made me lose a little faith in the comments of some of the posters here. This game is not a horrible waste of time. I actually am enjoying it, and if you had asked me a month ago, I would have told you that based on the posters' on this site's comments, that VG is not a game I would play more than a few weeks.

I don't think the board got it wrong on Vanguard, though. Things get blown out of proportion around here. When WoW was launched, everyone was creaming their pants about how awesome it was, and look at where we are now: there's a lot of issues still remaining with the game, mostly technical but there's definitely issues. It was really good, but was it as awesome as it was proclaimed here? Probably not.

The reaction to VG's beta when it started to get opened up more was what I expected. The game was honestly in quite poor shape. You should have seen it from Dec 05 through to the summer of 06... what a goddamn mess. And the feedback on these boards reflected that, but again it was over amplified.

Now that the game's actually out, from what I've seen in the VG threads, the feedback is actually quite positive. A lot of comments like "it brings back the magic of EQ" and so on. I haven't played the release version yet (hi, SOE, ship more than 5 copies to Canada next time, everyone's sold out), but people whose opinion I trust are quite positive on the game. There's flys in the ointment to be sure, but it's not the trainwreck I was expecting for launch.

So in the end, I don't think the boards got the game wrong, if you can read through the bullshit. I think they got it quite right, really.

[Deris]

I would take everything that people say here with a grain of salt.

I was the original vanboi - I registed on the V:SOH Forums the *morning* they opened, I read every single developer post and all the design docs (even the leaked ones) religiously. I got into beta very early, and played the hell out of it.

Somewhere down the line, they managed to turn something with alot of promise and enjoyment that actually required a brain to play into another WoW-esque "LOL CRITS MELEE CHAINZ" mmo, drawing WAY too much from EQ2. Diplomacy was transmogrified into something a 3rd grader can figure out, and really those two major changes just completely destroyed the game for me. They fucked with party chains (are they even implemented now?) and really all interdependency in combat went out the window, along with the DK getting some of the most questionable skills, and the utter destruction of CC in one of the last beta patches turned this game from "omg it will feel just like EQ " into "yay? have fun roleplayers and crafters".

I had the hugest amount of excitement, hell I even played at work to show everyone how rad it is in beta 3.. somehow that all got away, and now it has nothing to do with revolutionary nor "skill" in my eyes.

[Camerous]

Well the answer to your question is pretty simple actually. Up until a few weeks ago VG was a steaming pile of shit for most of us, plain and simple. Brad was coming here and posting how great VG was going to be and how we just needed to be patient and people were getting tired of it and people like Ut and Neric started having circle jerks bashing VG. Fast forward to today and now it isn't any where near as bad as it was but those that quit before now won't give it a chance. *shrugs* But from my experience I am glad I never listened to UT and Neric's doomsday BS and got the game for myself. It lots of fun and just proves that Brad was right and those 2 were wrong. End of story.

[Heavens_Myst]

Maybe you people shouldn't spend 3+ years following games that aren't even fucking out yet and we wouldn't have this problem of people going psychotic when their favorite "design doc feature" (wtf) gets axed 31 months from release.

[Clug]

Originally Posted by Bongk

except us who are married and own a house and 2 car payments etc, who don't have the cash to go out. MMOG's are cheap entertainment. I couldn't even go to mcdonalds every weekend for the money i spend on MMOG's the price cannot be beat.

Those still suckling on their mama's tits don't understand this and won't understand it until their mamas cut the cord. IE: In some cases, never.

[Samflam]

The haters.
The vanbois.
Sounds like a dorky version of The Outsiders. That's why I think the nerd rage is retarded.

[ashatumar]

WoW was the hot chick you couldn't wait to bang, then found out she couldn't hold a conversation.

VG was the understated nerd hotty that you just couldn't bear to introduce your friends to. You knew it was there, you just didn't know how to spin it.

[tad10]

Originally Posted by Kejah

Ok we get it, you'd marry the fucking game if you could. As much as people hate those who rag on VG, every post of yours is like some 13 year old girl with a crush on the high school quarterback. We get it.

Have fun with VG. Glad you like it, feels too much like EQ and if I want that. Well, you know.

You don't get it. I don't care if someone doesn't like Vanguard -- they prefer instanced to non-instanced combat -- they don't like the combat mechanices -- they think i feels too much like EQ -- its still too fricking buggy -- whatever. I get pissed off at people who rag on a game that haven't played -- or played so long ago that the game their ragging on doesn't exist anymore.

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Re: OP -- I have no idea why anyone would spend several hours of their day pissing on VG on these boards. But then I've spend way more time than I should defending it. My reason for defending the game is pure selfishness -- I want the game to succeed so I can play it with other people -- as sadly Marriage between a man and a videogame is only legal in Massachusettes and Canada.

[rangoth]

Originally Posted by tad10

You don't get it. I don't care if someone doesn't like Vanguard -- they prefer instanced to non-instanced combat -- they don't like the combat mechanices -- they think i feels too much like EQ -- its still too fricking buggy -- whatever. I get pissed off at people who rag on a game that haven't played -- or played so long ago that the game their ragging on doesn't exist anymore.

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Re: OP -- I have no idea why anyone would spend several hours of their day pissing on VG on these boards. But then I've spend way more time than I should defending it. My reason for defending the game is pure selfishness -- I want the game to succeed so I can play it with other people -- as sadly Marriage between a man and a videogame is only legal in Massachusettes and Canada.

Well, tad...I like VG quite a bit also. Tried WoW could never stick(though I think it was because I couldnt find a good group of people to play with), even got sucked back into EQ from time to time, which dispite all the rage I still enjoy, and now I really like VG from what I've seen.

However that being said you do sometimes come off a little too committed, no disrespect meant. I even understand why certain things people complain about get to you, my biggest beef with the haters wasn't so much theirs views on the game, as it's almost always a lost cause debating that shit, but I hated when people said you need a computer of the future to play, when it runs quite fine on current machines(bugs and problems with some cards etc yet to be fixed aside).

[DickTrickle]

I got a character up to 16, last played about a week before beta closed. Played long after I was tired of it, in case I became more interested. That didn't happen. Thus I'm not playing VG.

[Whoknows]

Excellent post. Wish some people here understood what you're saying. Obviously, some simply have too much time and are too caught up in their own sense of being to move on when something inconsequential like a video game doesn't meet their lofty ideals. Instead they play the role of hero to the masses, who obviously are too stupid to make their own judgments, and instead pontificate endlessly on the pitfalls inherent in said product, which they either have never used at all or don't use any longer. Its quite funny.

Originally Posted by Eomer

I think I'm pretty much the only one. That posted, anyways.

Perhaps I missed Lyrical's intention, though. However, to me, this thread wasn't supposed to be an argument about VG's merits in general, or in comparison to any other game (WoW of course). Rather, it was to understand why people who dislike a particular game, in this case VG, spend so much time and effort telling everyone why they don't like it.

Take me for example. I was really looking forward to the game. I jumped at the chance to get into the friends and family beta when I was offered a chance. Upon first logging in, I found that the game world seemed to have a lot of potential, but that pretty much everything else was quite obviously in a state of huge flux, and the gameplay was overall nothing new or even that fun. I played a few characters to their teens, and that was about it. People were posting here about how bad the game sucked, it took a super computer to run, and so on. I corrected some misconceptions about performance and the state of the game, not really defending it just keeping people honest.

Then I was booted from the beta cause people over at the beta boards complained. Fair enough, I'd definitely violated the NDA, and I wasn't all that enamoured with the game anyways. Did I come here and bitch incessantly about the game? Did I rage about Brad supposedly lying about the game or acting like a used car salesman (which I totally disagree with, but nice work, notice he hasn't posted in months?)? No, I didn't do any of that. Why? Because I quite honestly didn't give a shit. The game wasn't what I was hoping it would be at that point, so my interests turned elsewhere.

And that's the crux of the issue: if the game's so terribly awful that you can't even play it, why would you persist in posting about it for weeks, months, or years? Why wouldn't you just move onto something that you enjoyed and were interested in? And to those saying "well it's because I had such high hopes", I still don't think that it makes any sense to continue hobby horsing on the game to the extent that some do. It makes little rational sense. Your posts on a well-read and respected MMOG forum are going to do nothing to change the game itself, and subsequently if you honestly dislike the game, you will continue to do so.

So why bang your head on the wall? As I posted earlier in the thread, this behaviour is not limited to VG, or to video games in general, but pretty much all parts of our society. And it just makes little sense to me. I mean, when I was 13 I "hated" Offspring as much as the next angst filled teenager because they were too "mainstream", but as I grew up, I just learned to not give a shit. I wish a lot of the anti-VG/WoW/PS3/360/whatever people here and all over the net/world would learn to do the same.

Although I suppose I could have just saved myself a lot of typing and agree with FuckYou: people are stupid.