Why all the nerd rage against Vanguard?

[Draegan]

I play games without sound all the time. When I played WOW I don't think I've heard the in game sound in over a year. I think me and Ham were talking on Vent the other day saying how VG's music is actually decent. Anyway I always have sound off or low so I can hear vent or the TV.

[Kolle]

VG sound is good. I never had a performance issue with music on. I turned it off because I listen to stereo/mp3 player when I play.

[Greyform]

Originally Posted by The Hiram Key

For years now Kolle, the gaming community has been talking about holding the developers accountable for the shit they release. We have been talking about getting what we pay for, not having to pay to beta test a game, and not getting shit when we expect shine.

You want to give Brad McQuaid a fucking pass here ? This is / was Furor's forum right ?

Pussies.

When a game is complete and udder trash (Dark and Light, DDO) word gets out and the message is sent pretty clearly.

The message on VG has been pretty clear these past few months.

The word potential has been used more often than not by folks like myself who only wanted a fun game to play, and were not under the delusion of some self appointed quest to hold Sigil accountable for every poorly released game since the dawn of the pixel.

Many of us are having a blast playing the game now, a lot of that potential has been realized and the game is enjoyable (yes but still bugged) and very immersive.

No doubt if you wanted to find flaws with the game you surly would not need to look to hard, but on that note, if you were looking to have fun and enjoy this genre of game. You would not have to try to hard either.

Vanguard is not a religion no one here is trying to convert anyone. If you enjoy WoW by all means continue to play it and have a ball.

If you are looking for something different, Vanguard is a pretty good game that is only going to get better.

I am hooked on it, so yes my opinion is slanted, but I think if you look at my own posting history on this game you will find I was more than just a bit skeptical, and even though I do still believe the game would have done itself a far better service spending more time on polish. I am enjoying it now, and hope folks give it a real “let me see it for myself” try.

Grey…

[tad10]

Originally Posted by The Hiram Key

Give us a break Tad, people have to turn the fucking sound off in many cases just to make the game playable. I don't know what is worse, your manifestation from a regular sane poster to rabid fanboy shill, or the fact that people actually think it's okay to play a game sans sound.

Take a step back from the Vanguard yoke on your neck a minute and think about what you are defending.

Good to see you're still trolling in VG threads Hiram. Glad you've finally stopped the "oh I want it to succeed even though I hate SOE" schtick and just given in to full on mindless raving.

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I think I'll go play a little more VG now. I feel like the kid in the candy store eating the Wonka Bar while little Charlie Hiram Key stares through the window telling himself that the Wonka Bar would just make him sick to his stomach.

[Gaereth]

Originally Posted by tad10

Dude, after you keep calling me out as a fanboy I went and read your old VG threads posts. Your posts either defend WoW against any criticism (I enjoyed your 'WoW is best grouping experience evah' from 1-59 post btw that's a keeper) or bring up any fact (no matter how unsubstantiated) that reflects badly on VG.

Your biases and intentions are clear despite your statement above. At least I admit I'm a level 48 shill.

lol...you are such a whiny little wench. Yes, I think WOW has great class dynamics and an awesome grouping experience if people choose to experience it. Most people don't because its easier to solo, but its there if they so choose to use it. My playing of these games is always grouped. About 99% of the time I am grouped and hunting in places soloers can't so I am pretty confident in knowing what is good and what isn't.

I think VG has made huge leaps and bounds from where it was a month ago. I have always felt that it had great bone structure with a whole lot of problems
that will take time to resolve. The beta game is not the game we have now, hell, the game of a month ago isn't the game we have now.

All that said, I am very interested in the sub numbers because VG and its crew are pretty high profile in the industry. A quality release and decent sub numbers for VG is good for the industry while a poor one can create some hesitation, especially in the money lending area. Good for VG means good for the genre which in turn is good for all players and devs.

[Clug]

Originally Posted by tad10

Your biases and intentions are clear despite your statement above. At least I admit I'm a level 48 shill.

You are level 48 in Vanguard already? If so, did they WoWize the leveling curve as well? Because in Beta it was nowhere near that fast.

[The Hiram Key]

Originally Posted by tad10

Good to see you're still trolling in VG threads Hiram. Glad you've finally stopped the "oh I want it to succeed even though I hate SOE" schtick and just given in to full on mindless raving.

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I think I'll go play a little more VG now. I feel like the kid in the candy store eating the Wonka Bar while little Charlie Hiram Key stares through the window telling himself that the Wonka Bar would just make him sick to his stomach.

I wonder how long it will take you to morph from rabid vanguard lover to foaming at the mouth vanguard hater ? At least I remain consistent, if not a bit subdued; they have made progress, and a lot of it. Still it was not release worthy and is a hugely subpar submission given the games pedigree.

I am glad you are having fun Tad10, thats what this is all about.

[Bongk]

Originally Posted by Clug

You are level 48 in Vanguard already? If so, did they WoWize the leveling curve as well? Because in Beta it was nowhere near that fast.

no he is a lvl 24 monk last i saw. the lvl 48 shill thing is a joke.

[The Hiram Key]

Originally Posted by Bongk

no he is a lvl 24 monk last i saw. the lvl 48 shill thing is a joke.

Are you really sure it's a joke ? You obviously haven't spent any time on his post history or you would know !!

[The Hiram Key]

Originally Posted by Draegan

I play games without sound all the time. When I played WOW I don't think I've heard the in game sound in over a year. I think me and Ham were talking on Vent the other day saying how VG's music is actually decent. Anyway I always have sound off or low so I can hear vent or the TV.

There is a difference between having the option of playing with sound, and being told "turn it off if you want to play".

[Dashal]

Originally Posted by The Hiram Key

At least I remain consistent, if not a bit subdued; they have made progress, and a lot of it. Still it was not release worthy and is a hugely subpar submission given the games pedigree.

I say it was release worthy, although it wasnt a stellar release. Still comparitively it did pretty well IMO. Better than say EQ2s release, which is a top of the line MMO as well, and I enjoyed that game too.

Shit if they would have release the end of this month it could have been a really good release, but I'm willing to put up with the crap for a while so long as it's being worked on.

[holymight]

Originally Posted by The Hiram Key

There is a difference between having the option of playing with sound, and being told "turn it off if you want to play".

I play just fine with sound on? I also don't know anybody ingame that plays without sound.

[Bongk]

Originally Posted by The Hiram Key

There is a difference between having the option of playing with sound, and being told "turn it off if you want to play".

you so over-exeggerate this issue. A few people are having issues with certain configurations where it affects them severly. But for most people you can play with on-board sound just fine it just reduces your FPS about 5-7.

My box is total shit, it is a 3 year old dell box with nothing non-standard except the vid card and another gig of generic memory. Yes i have onboard sound and it doesn't cause me any issues at all. I go from 35 fps to 28 fps big deal...

[tad10]

Originally Posted by Gaereth

lol...you are such a whiny little wench. .

Pot meet kettle.

Originally Posted by The Hiram Key

Still it was not release worthy and is a hugely subpar submission given the games pedigree.

And you last played when?

Edit: I like the new tag there Hiram. I feel the love.

[Nino]

To clarify...

NOBODY is telling you to turn the sound off; certainly not in any official capacity.

If you have sound hardware, the game actually runs even better. The problem is with low quality on-board sound that renders everything in software. No doubt, this will degrade your performance. We are working with Creative to get to the bottom of the device enumeration issues that make SOME onboard sound systems choke. The DLL files we originally implemented, which came directly from Creative, did not work properly with the engine. Debugging the issues and getting them fixed in a vastly complex environment takes time. I assure you, nobody is more unhappy about this than I am. I also know it will be resolved in due time.

I spent the weekend installing Vista 64 bit and found that you cannot choose hardware mode in Vanguard, and I am stuck rendering in software. I reported this last night and I will follow up on it this morning.