Why all the nerd rage against Vanguard?

[kcxiv]

Originally Posted by Gwen Rockpounder

I tried this a little in beta and thought it looked promising but I wouldnt risk it until way after release. I even voted that way in the poll thread a while back.

Reading the to and fro debates on here after launch made me take a chance so I spent the 30 quid and rolled up some characters on Flamehammer.

Damn you Sigil, I'm addicted! Do I wish it was a lot less buggy, yes. Do I wish i got more than the 20-25fps I normally get, hell yes. Do i care because I'm enjoying what content I have seen so much, hell no!

To be fair to the fps, I'm running 1600x1200 on an only half decent PC using only a 512meg 7600GS with mostly high quality settings. I prefered looks over framerates as I'm soloing at the moment to just try out different classes and crafting spheres.

Not had a single crash yet but have encountered a lot of the other bugs mentioned in this thread and the gameplay thread but I just sigh and get on with it. No way would I normally put up with that but there just seems to be something under the surface of this game that draws me in.

I just wanted to post this to add another voice to the general level of debate which seems to now be mostly the same people shouting "vG ftW!!1!!" and "Playing VG mekes ur bum fall off!!1!" (I may be slightly paraphrasing here )

Once this game gets the bugs ironed out. This game is just going to be pure ownage. The bugs can be frustrating as hell, but the foundation of the game is by far the best in a MMO i have played.

[tad10]

Originally Posted by Gaereth

I have always been in the 'hope it is a great game cause we need more of those' camp. I just dislike the sheer amount of idiocy you are spewing at the haters now. It used to be you just spouted lots of info and spoke your mind, now you jump on them and act just like them.

-shrug- Hell, you even jump on people pointing out actual issues before you can rein in your frothy fanboism.

Good job mate, good job.

Dude, after you keep calling me out as a fanboy I went and read your old VG threads posts. Your posts either defend WoW against any criticism (I enjoyed your 'WoW is best grouping experience evah' from 1-59 post btw that's a keeper) or bring up any fact (no matter how unsubstantiated) that reflects badly on VG.

Your biases and intentions are clear despite your statement above. At least I admit I'm a level 48 shill.

[tad10]

Originally Posted by Digo

I played beta and hated it. I picked it up yesterday and so far, I'm very impressed with how much the game has been improved. Granted, I have to turn all my graphics settings down to barebones, but still. The crafting is pretty amazing, and any devs that don't at least take a nod from it are stupid.

I'm surprised you have to turn it all the way down. I have a shitty Go 6800 and I can run at higher perfomance with some non-default (that is better than default) settings -- e.g. further clipping plane, ,decent environmental detail and shadows (set in vgclient.ini). Check out some of the ini twinking threads on silkyvenom or elsewhere.

[Digo]

Graphics aren't really a selling point for me. I could care less that trees look like blobs and the water doesn't reflect all zillion polygons of my face.

So far, it's enjoyable. Made a goblin psionicist (Are the devs serious? This class is ez-mode.) and got him up to 8 in a couple hours of dicking around.

Would I ever switch over from WoW to Vanguard full-time? Doubtful, unless in a few months people who raided at the end-game of WoW can't stop singing the praises of Vanguard's raid game. Crafting is actually fun (I find myself disbelieving that I actually wrote that just now) but I wouldn't switch to a game solely based on this. The tutorial on diplomacy kind of sucks. I was really confused until I kept experimenting, but overall, it's kind of fun, if too slow.

Overall, I think I still like WoW more because it's just plain faster, but I'm starting to understand why the fanboys were proclaiming that it has more depth than WoW.

[Ayeshala]

I usually play at High Performance or Balanced with HDR and Bloom off. The leak occurs no matter where I play; 3 Rivers yes but also Tursh, Renton’s Keep, Silverlake, Misthaven Crossing or Coastal Graveyard.

Vanguard takes anywhere from 350MB to 1.3 GB when I play.

As long as I exit the game before the Ram usage tops the 2GB I have, I can restart without problems. The game will close, ram usage will go down to a normal level, and then I’ll restart the game. If I let it run over available ram it usually just crashes, but from time to time there won’t be enough ram free for windows to recover and I’ll have to reboot.

I’ll try doing more tests tonight to see if I can isolate the problem.

[The Hiram Key]

Originally Posted by tad10

Dude, after you keep calling me out as a fanboy I went and read your old VG threads posts. Your posts either defend WoW against any criticism (I enjoyed your 'WoW is best grouping experience evah' from 1-59 post btw that's a keeper) or bring up any fact (no matter how unsubstantiated) that reflects badly on VG.

Your biases and intentions are clear despite your statement above. At least I admit I'm a level 48 shill.

Give us a break Tad, people have to turn the fucking sound off in many cases just to make the game playable. I don't know what is worse, your manifestation from a regular sane poster to rabid fanboy shill, or the fact that people actually think it's okay to play a game sans sound.

Take a step back from the Vanguard yoke on your neck a minute and think about what you are defending.

[Kolle]

He's defending a game that was released a bit early and needs bugs fixed and some polish. He's also defending a very good game.

I think the VG haters on this board got their point across. Move on...

[The Hiram Key]

Originally Posted by Kolle

He's defending a game that was released a bit early and needs bugs fixed and some polish. He's also defending a very good game.

I think the VG haters on this board got their point across. Move on...

For years now Kolle, the gaming community has been talking about holding the developers accountable for the shit they release. We have been talking about getting what we pay for, not having to pay to beta test a game, and not getting shit when we expect shine.

You want to give Brad McQuaid a fucking pass here ? This is / was Furor's forum right ?

Pussies.

[Pinski]

Originally Posted by Jedite

Hmm i was under the impression that Windows XP had a problem allocating Memory above the 3gig Mark.

How have you setup your Hard Drives?

small edit, the problem occurs after the 3gig mark. This applies to Windows XP 32bit

32-Bit Systems can only be allocate 3GB(since 1GB has to be set aside) to a single thread, they can however access more memory than the 4GB(32-bit) limit via PAE or other features. If you're running a 32-bit application, you can only allocate 4GB to it(I think, otherwise it may only be 3GB there as well), whether you are running on a 64-bit system or a 32-bit system.

[rinthea]

Originally Posted by The Hiram Key

For years now Kolle, the gaming community has been talking about holding the developers accountable for the shit they release. We have been talking about getting what we pay for, not having to pay to beta test a game, and not getting shit when we expect shine.

You want to give Brad McQuaid a fucking pass here ? This is / was Furor's forum right ?

Pussies.

Did you know in what state the game was before it was released? The answer is yes (unless your lying or your head is under the sand). You have no case now.

The only problem I see, is how fast it is patched. I assumed it would keep up the last week of beta speed. It has slowed down the last few weeks and I'm not happy about a few promises that were made with words like 'soon after release'.

[Kolle]

Originally Posted by The Hiram Key

For years now Kolle, the gaming community has been talking about holding the developers accountable for the shit they release. We have been talking about getting what we pay for, not having to pay to beta test a game, and not getting shit when we expect shine.

You want to give Brad McQuaid a fucking pass here ? This is / was Furor's forum right ?

Pussies.

You're right. I must be a pussy. Let's hold them accountable by making angsty forum posts! That will teach them.


I'm paying for the game. I'm having a good enough time that it's worth my money. You can kindly stfu and take your hate somewhere else.

[Draegan]

Originally Posted by Cuppycake

Hey man, its totally cool. I agree with you - the character models are fucking awful in this game. I tried for a long long time to make a good looking character - and that's what I came up with.

I'm real close to just saying fuck it and making a goddamn cat person or a Raki. At least then I won't resemble someone with down syndrome. =/

And btw, my character in my sig is AFTER I doctored her up. I repainted her hair and her face, and gave her better makeup. Did more highlighting and shading. She looks WORSE in game if you can believe that. =/

My Half-Elf is damn sexy.

[r.gun]

Originally Posted by The Hiram Key

Give us a break Tad, people have to turn the fucking sound off in many cases just to make the game playable. I don't know what is worse, your manifestation from a regular sane poster to rabid fanboy shill, or the fact that people actually think it's okay to play a game sans sound.

Take a step back from the Vanguard yoke on your neck a minute and think about what you are defending.

Where the hell did that come from? Just thought you'd randomly throw in some kind of remark against the game? The majority of people who use voice chat turn off the games sound anyways, so whats the big deal?

[Camerous]

Don't try yo use logic with these trolls guys.. they aren't equipped to deal with it.

[Erronius]

Originally Posted by rinthea

It has slowed down the last few weeks and I'm not happy about a few promises that were made with words like 'soon after release'.

I'm not sure I'm that surprised really, given all the promises pre-release.

I do have to say that I agree with Hiram, in principle - I really don't want to drop the bones for VG when imo Sigil just barely scraped by, and there are/will be other MMO's out there to play. What I am still unsure of is where to draw the line. IMO you're crazy to expect a fully-finished game, but the same could be said for people that are willing to play a half-finished game (any game, not necessarily VG). I agree in that I don't want to pay for a game that doesn't deserve it, but deciding where VG really stands with biased opinions flying willy-nilly everywhere is nigh on impossible.

In a sense I was hoping it would release at one extreme or another, as making the decision to play would be much easier. With it releasing rushed and people basically disagreeing on the state of the game, I'll likely err on the side of caution and not buy it yet. /shrug

As a side-note, if I don't buy the game, I'm sure I'll be in the minority on my reasoning and Sigil won't be sending me "OMGZ Please play!" postcards. I would think the actual number of people who are reticent to play due to accountability and the desire to 'not play an unfinished game' are far outnumbered by those who are buying the game w/o any clue to anything that went on before they saw the box in the store. [Insert comment on consumer research/self-education here, I suppose]. What I am sure of is that I am pretty unwilling to buy a game to try it out, only to become dissatisfied and end up with a box sitting on my bookcase collecting dust.

I also will freely admit that I was wrong, in that I didn't think Sigil would pull things together like they did in time for release. That said though, it still wasn't good enough to wash away the beta-stigma for a lot of players, they seem to have done just enough to squeak by, and if they are starting to slow down now on correcting issues post-release as Rinthea has stated...well...hmmmm.

Off-Topic: While it may be a piss-poor comparison due to engine development, WAR:O has already had some gameplay videos out...again though iirc they are using whatever DaoC used, upgraded somewhat I believe. They do seem to be better off, time-wise, in comparison to how Sigil was, but I guess using someone elses engine will do that.

Reminded me of a WOW clone, far and away more than VG ever did, FWIW. Good or bad, I dunno.