Why all the nerd rage against Vanguard? - Page 142

Filthgrinder · 03-24-2007, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaereth

Your choice of wording actually reflects something that bothered me quite a bit. I don't think WOW was ever really taken seriously by Brad until it started taking over the world. Brad was extremely dismissive in quite a lot of posts about WOW for quite a long time and that in turn was reflected on the VG forums in how quite a lot of the posters spoke about WOW. He was extremely outspoken about how it wouldn't last, would be extremely short term, etc, etc.

Was this a general attitude at Sigil??

Brad made quite a few posts that didn't seem to reflect reality and seemed to be stuck in what he wanted to believe was the 'proper' way to build an MMO and as such didn't seem to want to see what WOW could teach him.

This is a very astute observation. /golf clap

Rayne · 03-24-2007, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaereth

Your choice of wording actually reflects something that bothered me quite a bit. I don't think WOW was ever really taken seriously by Brad until it started taking over the world. Brad was extremely dismissive in quite a lot of posts about WOW for quite a long time and that in turn was reflected on the VG forums in how quite a lot of the posters spoke about WOW. He was extremely outspoken about how it wouldn't last, would be extremely short term, etc, etc.

Was this a general attitude at Sigil??

Brad made quite a few posts that didn't seem to reflect reality and seemed to be stuck in what he wanted to believe was the 'proper' way to build an MMO and as such didn't seem to want to see what WOW could teach him.

This is EXACTLY why its so confusing. I have an extremely hard time believing that the entire staff at Sigil felt the same way. Christ. Its hard enough to get 2-3 people in a room to agree on a single thing. But an entire dev team?

Cuppycake · 03-24-2007, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Maxxius

Not saying you shouldn't love what you are doing. But this is above all else a business, and if you don't have the pulse of the market you will simply fail. And I am sure Brad sold MS on the project with visions of high subs, not hey a few of us love this so give us 30 million bucks to make it heheh.

I guess I should clarify my post a little more. More appropriately the fuel behind creating a game should not only be creating a game that the devs themselves want to play, but rather a healthy combination of a few important factors such as the following:

- Finding a niche that perhaps hasn't yet been tapped therefore bringing in new subscribers and enthusiasts.
- Appealing to the market with variety, innovation and substance that encourages players to pick that particular game over the competition.
- Determining the strengths of the team and staff that will be working on the project and creating elements that play off those strengths.
- Creating a game that can be created via goals that are attainable within the timeframe and financial budget laid out.

I don't think having a personal interest in a games success is the only vital key. Its just definitely an important part of the puzzle that is really a gambling game.

Schatze · 03-24-2007, 05:40 PM

Not to stop the e-wankering in here, but what is this about failing? Near as I can tell, this is not the case at all and rather in the past weeks has been shown to be quite wrong.

As to, "VG is just as easy as WOW" ROFL. WOW they end up giving you your GED (60) after 3 weeks due to no death penalties. In VG if you die, you level *backwards*. If you die in a bad spot, you level backwards even more. This means you cannot screw up and screw around and be a complete fuckwit and still level like you could in WOW. That = harder. Keep telling yourself otherwise! But it's nice seeing the fucktards who leave corpses everywhere stuck at the same level for weeks whereas in WOW they'd keep leveling at a steady rate.

God the title of this thread has become a self-fulfilling prophecy of nerd spankery that doesn't have an iota of bearing on reality.

kcxiv · 03-24-2007, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Schatze

Not to stop the e-wankering in here, but what is this about failing? Near as I can tell, this is not the case at all and rather in the past weeks has been shown to be quite wrong.

As to, "VG is just as easy as WOW" ROFL. WOW they end up giving you your GED (60) after 3 weeks due to no death penalties. In VG if you die, you level *backwards*. If you die in a bad spot, you level backwards even more. This means you cannot screw up and screw around and be a complete fuckwit and still level like you could in WOW. That = harder. Keep telling yourself otherwise! But it's nice seeing the fucktards who leave corpses everywhere stuck at the same level for weeks whereas in WOW they'd keep leveling at a steady rate.

God the title of this thread has become a self-fulfilling prophecy of nerd spankery that doesn't have an iota of bearing on reality.

But its fun to see Ut blow a gasket and think the mighty empire of SOE and Sigil is after him. Kinda reminds me of a meth addict who think everyone is watching them.

Schatze · 03-24-2007, 05:54 PM

Yeah no shit, but the amount of people who still accept his bullshit after that because it tweaks the nipples of the 300 pound gorilla riding their back is just insane.

"Did you know that the parent's television network, in conjunction with the reverse vampires, the builderburgers, the masons, the illuminati, are all conspiring to keep me quiet? I've had these organizations threaten my life because they cannot bear for the truth to get out... THAT VANGUARD HAS 50k SUBSCRIBERS! ALSO, THAT I AM HAILEE SELASSI REBORN COME TO BRING YOU THE MESSAGE OF JAH'S LOVE! AND THAT ALIENS CURRENTLY *ARE* ABDUCTING COWS, MUTILATING THEM, and stealing their reproductive tracts to supply a growth market in alien fetish porn!"

VG nerd rage: "Haha utnayan you're so crazy, you're like the spitting, frothing epitome of the truism about hell hath no fury like a nerd scorned. BUT OMG DID YOU HEAR THAT 50k SUBSCRIBERS YEAH VG IS EASY AS WOW I'M GOING TO GO ACCEPT THE BULLSHIT THAT VALIDATES MY WORLD VIEW EVEN THOUGH IT'S JUST AS BASELESS AS ALL THE OTHER INSANE VENOM! HAHA BRO DID YOU HEAR THAT? LET'S GO STROKE OUR NECKBEARDS WHILST PLAYING DDR AT THE LOCAL ARCADE IN LIGHT OF THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT!"

Read the last 12 pages. That is what half the posters in this fucking thread are like. Jesus H.

kcxiv · 03-24-2007, 06:01 PM

Yeah, they say the same shit over and over. I tried to talk rationally, and i got if you wanna talk like that you can just go to the SV forums. lol

What trips me out is how they take gaming so damn seriously. I enjoy it, but i wont bust a vein in my forehead over it.

Deris · 03-24-2007, 07:09 PM

SOE Banning Conquest was weaksauce, since every guild exploited content the same way - many did much worse, and it was public knowledge every guild used SEQ. Anyone denying that wasn't in the "clique" in their guild. Everyone exploited Dain on the pull, everyone exploited KTormax pulling, where were the bans for that? Why the inconsistencies? That speaks volumes about the leadership at SOE, and what you guys were worried about.

After CQ got banned, I knew EQ was going down the tubes due to the huge knee-jerk and overreaction of SOE. After CQ's banning we questioned every fight we ever did, and wondered why we weren't being banned summarily? What about FD? Or intentional training or a million other things that could be considered "exploits" and yet nothing was done. Why that one instance?

And where the hell are Kets/Itz to comment!

kcxiv · 03-24-2007, 07:18 PM

I knew a few people who got banned for training and using myseq along with macroquest Hell, i used it for earth rings(myseq that is) Fuck having your whole guild do earth rings and finding out its not up.

Ayeshala · 03-24-2007, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Schatze

Not to stop the e-wankering in here, but what is this about failing? Near as I can tell, this is not the case at all and rather in the past weeks has been shown to be quite wrong.

As to, "VG is just as easy as WOW" ROFL. WOW they end up giving you your GED (60) after 3 weeks due to no death penalties. In VG if you die, you level *backwards*. If you die in a bad spot, you level backwards even more. This means you cannot screw up and screw around and be a complete fuckwit and still level like you could in WOW. That = harder. Keep telling yourself otherwise! But it's nice seeing the fucktards who leave corpses everywhere stuck at the same level for weeks whereas in WOW they'd keep leveling at a steady rate.

God the title of this thread has become a self-fulfilling prophecy of nerd spankery that doesn't have an iota of bearing on reality.

It's like the rag mags man.

END OF WORLD ANNOUNCED

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ALL IS WELL

Duppin · 03-24-2007, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Zehn - Vhex

And then we had people like Duppin and Co. who took it upon themselves to respond to each and every Utnayan post with the same repetitive "lol get over urself" retarded bullshit.

We get it, you don't like Utnayan, move on.

And yet, somehow it's the people who complain about Utnayan that are the problem; but the people who complain about those who complain about him, as well as the lunatic who's CREATING THE PROBLEM IN THE FIRST PLACE, are entirely blameless?

*insert simulated jerking off motion here*

Wolfen · 03-24-2007, 07:54 PM

My l33t beta infoz tell me that UT wasn't banned but put away. He then stopped taking his meds and broke out of his padded room, found an unprotected computer in the cafeteria, and started posting again.

Maxxius · 03-24-2007, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Schatze

. . .

God the title of this thread has become a self-fulfilling prophecy of nerd spankery that doesn't have an iota of bearing on reality.

Whose reality? Yours?

woqqqa · 03-24-2007, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Duppin

And yet, somehow it's the people who complain about Utnayan that are the problem; but the people who complain about those who complain about him, as well as the lunatic who's CREATING THE PROBLEM IN THE FIRST PLACE, are entirely blameless?

*insert simulated jerking off motion here*

What's the problem? Does someone hold a gun to your head and force you to read Utnayan's posts?

Duppin · 03-24-2007, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by woqqqa

What's the problem? Does someone hold a gun to your head and force you to read Utnayan's posts?

Does someone hold a gun to your head and force you to read mine?

Makes about as much sense when I ask it as when you do, huh.

But you're right, Utnayan would be perfectly sane and a great contributor to this board if it weren't for people like me.

03-24-2007, 05:54 PM	#2121 (permalink)
Schatze Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,618 -3 Internets	Yeah no shit, but the amount of people who still accept his bullshit after that because it tweaks the nipples of the 300 pound gorilla riding their back is just insane. "Did you know that the parent's television network, in conjunction with the reverse vampires, the builderburgers, the masons, the illuminati, are all conspiring to keep me quiet? I've had these organizations threaten my life because they cannot bear for the truth to get out... THAT VANGUARD HAS 50k SUBSCRIBERS! ALSO, THAT I AM HAILEE SELASSI REBORN COME TO BRING YOU THE MESSAGE OF JAH'S LOVE! AND THAT ALIENS CURRENTLY ARE ABDUCTING COWS, MUTILATING THEM, and stealing their reproductive tracts to supply a growth market in alien fetish porn!" VG nerd rage: "Haha utnayan you're so crazy, you're like the spitting, frothing epitome of the truism about hell hath no fury like a nerd scorned. BUT OMG DID YOU HEAR THAT 50k SUBSCRIBERS YEAH VG IS EASY AS WOW I'M GOING TO GO ACCEPT THE BULLSHIT THAT VALIDATES MY WORLD VIEW EVEN THOUGH IT'S JUST AS BASELESS AS ALL THE OTHER INSANE VENOM! HAHA BRO DID YOU HEAR THAT? LET'S GO STROKE OUR NECKBEARDS WHILST PLAYING DDR AT THE LOCAL ARCADE IN LIGHT OF THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT!" Read the last 12 pages. That is what half the posters in this fucking thread are like. Jesus H. Last edited by Schatze; 03-24-2007 at 05:58 PM..

03-24-2007, 07:09 PM	#2123 (permalink)
Deris Touching things that shouldn't be touched. Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 1,653 -17 Internets	SOE Banning Conquest was weaksauce, since every guild exploited content the same way - many did much worse, and it was public knowledge every guild used SEQ. Anyone denying that wasn't in the "clique" in their guild. Everyone exploited Dain on the pull, everyone exploited KTormax pulling, where were the bans for that? Why the inconsistencies? That speaks volumes about the leadership at SOE, and what you guys were worried about. After CQ got banned, I knew EQ was going down the tubes due to the huge knee-jerk and overreaction of SOE. After CQ's banning we questioned every fight we ever did, and wondered why we weren't being banned summarily? What about FD? Or intentional training or a million other things that could be considered "exploits" and yet nothing was done. Why that one instance? And where the hell are Kets/Itz to comment! __________________ Volko - Paladin Shail - Priest Melko - Warrior Deris the Reaver (retired.)

03-24-2007, 07:54 PM	#2127 (permalink)
Wolfen Give me hairless cooch or give me death! Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 5,326 +200 Internets	My l33t beta infoz tell me that UT wasn't banned but put away. He then stopped taking his meds and broke out of his padded room, found an unprotected computer in the cafeteria, and started posting again. __________________ --If it weren't for the gutter, my mind would be homeless.

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03-24-2007, 05:40 PM	#2119 (permalink)
Schatze Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,618 -3 Internets	Not to stop the e-wankering in here, but what is this about failing? Near as I can tell, this is not the case at all and rather in the past weeks has been shown to be quite wrong. As to, "VG is just as easy as WOW" ROFL. WOW they end up giving you your GED (60) after 3 weeks due to no death penalties. In VG if you die, you level backwards. If you die in a bad spot, you level backwards even more. This means you cannot screw up and screw around and be a complete fuckwit and still level like you could in WOW. That = harder. Keep telling yourself otherwise! But it's nice seeing the fucktards who leave corpses everywhere stuck at the same level for weeks whereas in WOW they'd keep leveling at a steady rate. God the title of this thread has become a self-fulfilling prophecy of nerd spankery that doesn't have an iota of bearing on reality.

03-24-2007, 06:01 PM	#2122 (permalink)
kcxiv Sim Join Date: May 2002 Location: Central Valley, Cali Posts: 4,149 +0 Internets	Yeah, they say the same shit over and over. I tried to talk rationally, and i got if you wanna talk like that you can just go to the SV forums. lol What trips me out is how they take gaming so damn seriously. I enjoy it, but i wont bust a vein in my forehead over it.

03-24-2007, 07:18 PM	#2124 (permalink)
kcxiv Sim Join Date: May 2002 Location: Central Valley, Cali Posts: 4,149 +0 Internets	I knew a few people who got banned for training and using myseq along with macroquest Hell, i used it for earth rings(myseq that is) Fuck having your whole guild do earth rings and finding out its not up.