Why all the nerd rage against Vanguard?

[Filthgrinder]

I think I'm finally starting to reach a point where fantasy mmos with dwarves, elves and humans is starting to take it's toll. Seems to be fun for a little while then it just gets kind of blah....

where's my damn all pvp Deadwood style mmo?

[vynde]

Originally Posted by Filthgrinder

I think I'm finally starting to reach a point where fantasy mmos with dwarves, elves and humans is starting to take it's toll. Seems to be fun for a little while then it just gets kind of blah....

where's my damn all pvp Deadwood style mmo?

pre cu swg

[Ossoi]

Originally Posted by tad10

Here's the lowdown on the major bugs currently plaguing Vanguard in order of severity (from player viewpoint).

1. Losing Mob LOS

2. Invisibility bug.

3. Group bugs.

4. Everything else.

Stuck player HP bars are infinitely more annoying.

And can someone explain to me why the XP bar doesnt show the amount needed to level and each mob kill doesn't give the XP gained. Maybe I'm missing something but I'd sure like to know how much xp per kill I'm getting so I can judge whether that particular grind spot is worthwhile or not.

[Cloud9_]

Originally Posted by Ossoi

Stuck player HP bars are infinitely more annoying.

And can someone explain to me why the XP bar doesnt show the amount needed to level and each mob kill doesn't give the XP gained. Maybe I'm missing something but I'd sure like to know how much xp per kill I'm getting so I can judge whether that particular grind spot is worthwhile or not.

Wasn't it said that they dont want to give specific values on things like that? Was the same way with EQ, also you could see your group members health but not their mana.

[AladainAF]

There are UI Variables that dont give exacts ,but break out every level to 2000 XP. Therefore, you can get a good idea that way.

I think CoreUI2 uses those variables in an xp bar.

[simeon]

Originally Posted by Dynalisia

I can already see that the new cool thing to do on this board will be loving Vanguard.

You're a fucking idiot.

[machineman]

Originally Posted by tad10

Here's the lowdown on the major bugs currently plaguing Vanguard in order of severity (from player viewpoint).

1. Losing Mob LOS when two mobs interact or losing Mob LOS of large mobs in small rooms in dungeons.. Happens particularly on large mobs like the Trees in Ja'Kin Forest. You are unable to target with anything but some AOE spells. This bug causes wipes. Also happens in dungeons. In Tomb of Lord Tsang very easy to lose LOS in the smaller room on the large construct mobs. Again this bug causes wipes even if you are paying attention. Far and away worst bug in the game. Bring a monk or disciple with you into the Tomb and load him with lightbulbs you have been warned.

2. Invisibility bug. Mob will go invisible -- auto attack will work as will AOE. Moving back only works if the person _with_ aggro moves back. This bug can cause wipes -- but only if you're not paying attention.

3. Group bugs. Elevators. Group chat. Group invite over long distances. Gets annoying. Elevator bugs can cause death or potential wipes -- but usally only if you're not paying attention.

4. Everything else.

These are bugs that should not be in retail. Bugs are one thing, but THESE kind of bugs are beta at best. Come on... LoS bugs? Grouping bugs?

There was some VG love the first few days, but as players spend more time dealing with this crap, I suspect the tide will turn quickly.

[Arden]

Originally Posted by machineman

There was some VG love the first few days, but as players spend more time dealing with this crap, I suspect the tide will turn quickly.

I suppose you can keep your fingers crossed

[Turzem]

Then WoW came out and it showed what PROFESSIONAL game designers are capable of.

They showed us that you can create a world that is sterile, repetitive usually ugly and lacking soul of any kind but that as long as it's simple entertainment the masses will love it. The WoW designers are hacks, they accidentally struck gold on a premise that I've been preaching for over 8 years now.

[vynde]

Originally Posted by Turzem

They showed us that you can create a world that is sterile, repetitive usually ugly and lacking soul of any kind but that as long as it's simple entertainment the masses will love it. The WoW designers are hacks, they accidentally struck gold on a premise that I've been preaching for over 8 years now.

i do hate wow now, but i dont think its a terrible game. its just not my cup of tea because even if my schedule is swamped, id still like to play a game like classic eq over wow (vg in this case). but there are people with busy schedules that wanna go on for like an hour and get shit done.

however i do agree that i didnt really see a soul in wow.

[Cloud9_]

Originally Posted by Arden

I suppose you can keep your fingers crossed

Why would you wish for the game to fail, or for more people to hate it. Me personally, even if I don't really love the game, I wouldn't wish for it to get shut down. More games = good for the gamers.

[vurt]

Originally Posted by Turzem

They showed us that you can create a world that is sterile, repetitive usually ugly and lacking soul of any kind but that as long as it's simple entertainment the masses will love it. The WoW designers are hacks, they accidentally struck gold on a premise that I've been preaching for over 8 years now.

You rebel you.

[kcxiv]

Originally Posted by vynde

i do hate wow now, but i dont think its a terrible game. its just not my cup of tea because even if my schedule is swamped, id still like to play a game like classic eq over wow (vg in this case). but there are people with busy schedules that wanna go on for like an hour and get shit done.

however i do agree that i didnt really see a soul in wow.

Same here, i felt nothing for the game. i didn't think it was a horrible game, it just wasnt for mel. I only found some enjoyment from Alteric Valley, but once i got exhalted, i never went back.

[Freki]

Originally Posted by Cloud9_

Why would you wish for the game to fail, or for more people to hate it. Me personally, even if I don't really love the game, I wouldn't wish for it to get shut down. More games = good for the gamers.

You are wrong - if buggy games are accepted its bad for gamers!

Developers should learn that polish+bugfree (almost) >>> quick dollars...

[Itzena]

Originally Posted by GaliemVaelant

For every single thing you can think of that someone would dislike about VG, there's a reason to fanboi it. Thus, picky, whiny, arrogant fucks who consider themselves gods of gaming will play Vanguard. All the better, I say. The game world is better without them.

Fixed it for you.