Green Monster Games (Curt Schilling)

[Zehn - Vhex]

Or if you work for a large enough company, you can often buy the PC's they're phasing out (that were old already 4 years ago when they were purchased) for 50 bucks. They play WoW and toontown online pretty well and let the family access facebook. Not much else unfortunately.

I sold more of those in a week to employees then I would 'gaming rigs' in a month at best buy.

Edit:

I do housecall PC repairs now (yay new economy. Who needs to program databases when you can make just as much running malware bytes on stupid peoples computers) and I would say that the vast plurality of 'gamings rigs' are sitting in the kitchen or dining room and is the family PC. So far, I wouldn't put crysis on any of these PC's for fear of burning their houses to the ground but seeing a WoW launcher on the desktop isn't uncommon.

I'm glad games like Crysis get made that push the boundaries of what is popular and possible. But with an MMO you can't bank on being able to use the engine you create to make a dozen games over the next few years.

[guanna]

I sent Ngruk a PM a long time ago telling him that he was my grandmother's favorite player. She NEVER missed Kurt play for any reason. Her birthday was approaching (3 months away) so I asked him for a signed ball, t-shirt, even just a simple $4 birthday card signed by him for her. I offered to pay for any of the items and even the shipping. My grandmother adored him, claiming he was the best pitcher to ever play Baseball. He never bothered to take the time to even reply.

My grandmother is still alive and has pictures of you on her walls, how nice and simple it would have been for her to have just one of those pictures signed? A simple ball on a pedestal, paid for by me, or just a birthday card she would have never forgotten for the rest of her life, one simple request I asked on behalf of my unknowing grandmother, and you could not find the time to even reply.

This sir, is my reason to believe you do not care about your fans, then, or even now. This reason is why I believe you are a snake oil salesman, and I will not be purchasing your product. This is my personal opinion, nothing more.

Good luck with your game, honestly. I do not wish you ill will, I remember playing on Povar with your monk, Scythehands Voxslayer killing those dog things outside of Karnor's before I even knew you played ball. We played several times together for hours on end. You see, this is the problem, you remember these older games you played, but not the friends you played them with. Its not about the game, its about the community.

I'm sure I'll get negged to hell by your fanbase here, but what if Ut was right? I understand you are a business man first and foremost, and your game is your lively hood, but do you REALLY care? God forbid, but will you even show up in the parking lot when you lay off your entire staff? Sorry, wrong guy, but from where I stand you two look awfully similar.

[Azrayne]

Ohhhh, this should be good.

[Flight]

I wouldn't normally share this, but I will in the interest of balance.

I've PM'ed Curt a number of times. He has never replied. I never expected him to, to be fair.


I made a similar request for a signed photo for someone else. As was yours, a worthy cause. It arrived at my house, in the UK, posted from 38S studios and, when I passed it on, the person it was signed to was delirious.


Let me triple underline, Curts fame and career mean two things to me - jack and shit. It isn't possible for me to care about baseball less than I already do. The only things that interest me, with regard to 38S, are quality and ethos. But I think you're bang out of order taking this public. There are a dozens reasons why he didn't deal with your PM. It wouldn't surprise me if he gets a dozen PMs a day asking for stuff.



And people wonder why devs and folk in the industry don't post more ......

[Gnome Eater]

Originally Posted by guanna

I sent Ngruk a PM a long time ago telling him that he was my grandmother's favorite player. She NEVER missed Kurt play for any reason. Her birthday was approaching (3 months away) so I asked him for a signed ball, t-shirt, even just a simple $4 birthday card signed by him for her. I offered to pay for any of the items and even the shipping. My grandmother adored him, claiming he was the best pitcher to ever play Baseball. He never bothered to take the time to even reply.

My grandmother is still alive and has pictures of you on her walls, how nice and simple it would have been for her to have just one of those pictures signed? A simple ball on a pedestal, paid for by me, or just a birthday card she would have never forgotten for the rest of her life, one simple request I asked on behalf of my unknowing grandmother, and you could not find the time to even reply.

This sir, is my reason to believe you do not care about your fans, then, or even now. This reason is why I believe you are a snake oil salesman, and I will not be purchasing your product. This is my personal opinion, nothing more.

Good luck with your game, honestly. I do not wish you ill will, I remember playing on Povar with your monk, Scythehands Voxslayer killing those dog things outside of Karnor's before I even knew you played ball. We played several times together for hours on end. You see, this is the problem, you remember these older games you played, but not the friends you played them with. Its not about the game, its about the community.

I'm sure I'll get negged to hell by your fanbase here, but what if Ut was right? I understand you are a business man first and foremost, and your game is your lively hood, but do you REALLY care? God forbid, but will you even show up in the parking lot when you lay off your entire staff? Sorry, wrong guy, but from where I stand you two look awfully similar.

jesus christ

i read this post while listening to this:

YouTube - Eminem - Stan: MTV Long Version

[guanna]

In my opinion, it is perfectly in line. It illustrates what I believe to be a disregard, or at the least a disconnection with his fan base.

Who is Kurt making this game for? His pocketbook, himself, his family's future, his fans, the gamers, or anyone else? It does not matter, they are all equally valid and reasonable and there is no reason it cannot be for all of the above.

As I stated before this is my own personal opinion, aside from that, I do wish him success. I just have a hard time buying that he is doing anything more than the other one did here a few years back to pre sell VG. I do not believe for one second that he is seeking input or relating to fellow gamers. I believe he is advertising, plain and simple.

He sent you the package, all the way to the UK, that was really cool of him, but busy guy or not, he never said one single word to you. Devs don't come here to get feedback, devs come here to advertise. At least Brad answered PMs from fans and haters alike.

Originally Posted by Gnome Eater

jesus christ

i read this post while listening to this:

YouTube - Eminem - Stan: MTV Long Version

"And all I wanted was a lousy picture or a ball
I hope you know I ripped all of my grandma's pictures off the wall
I love you Kurt, we coulda been together, think about it
You ruined it now, I hope you cant sleep and you dream about it
And when you dream I hope you cant sleep and you scream about it
I hope your conscience eats at you and you cant breathe without me"

lol that does make me sound batshit crazy I guess. I just don't know how to get the point across without the background story. Sure, its obvious that my axe to grind is personal, but the point is valid and warrants at least consideration. I am not angry or anything, like I said, this was long ago. At least I am not just spouting random opinions as some here do, but I have provided a reason behind my opinion. I guess between Brad's showmanship here previously and my personal experience with Kurt, I have lost faith in devs who come to bullshit with people here talking about their projects.

Fuck, maybe I'm way off. I'm even willing to apologize to Kurt for dragging it out in this manner, but if you don't see the connection either you're just not getting it, or I'm not relaying my point effectively.

I didn't mean to come off so personally to you Kurt, and I apologize. Its just hard to trust people in your position these days.

[Azrayne]

To be fair, I imagine the man gets bombarded with a metric shitton of PM's every week from people wanting to suck up to him, or try wheedle their way into a job at 38, or telling him about their ULTRA MEGA SUPER AWESOME idea. I'd be surprised if he reads them all.

[Sunnyd]

Part and Parcel of being in the public eye and having a degree of fame is in how you deal with requests from the public.
It varies from one end of the spectrum with Ringo Starr no longer accepting or signing any items for fans, to the story of John Hughes being the pen pall of some random person who wrote to him, and using the idea of her as a fan in making decisions about his films.
Different people will react in many ways, and unless copernicus is a run away hit, it will always be known as that baseball players company. You have two other major names involved in Todd and RA, yet rarely do you hear their names mentioned.

On an even bigger derail, its somethng Ive been meaning to say for some time now, but jesus Flight can you lay off the Curt and 38S cock slobbering? Its really embarressing to be honest. We get it. You do project management and claim to be so great, but are so hungry for a job it hurts. Truth be told, your posts are so stalkery, Im suprised a restraining order hasnt been taken out.
Theres its said. Ofcourse its only my opinion, but I just couldnt let it go on anymore without saying something, as your posts make my skin crawl.

[Locithon]

I wouldn't answer request PM's either; especially from the likes of guanna. Curt seems like your average gamer who just happens to be able to throw a baseball over 90mph accurately. Suck up PM's for beta invites usually don't work so I don't even bother; let alone autograph requests. That is probably why well known people usually don't participate in things like message boards. You'll get a zillion pm's and constantly have people try to get a rise out of you just so they could say "Hey, I made Curt Schilling curse at me!" (see: Utnayan) He could either spend time answering a shit ton of PM's or spend that time gaming, I know I would pick the latter if I was famous.

[Zehn - Vhex]

You know, I don't even read my PM's half the time and mine are usually just of the "hey how do i get posting rights?" and "I want you inside me" variety. Hell, to get Tuco to read his PM's you have to call an escort to his house and ask that they tie a note reading "check your PM's" to the escorts penis.

Saying that Curt not checking his PM's is the final evidence that proves he's just here to advertise is fucking retarded. Of -course- he's here to fucking advertise. Anybody that thinks he's just hanging out as one of the guys is a goddamn moron and anybody who thinks we don't realize that is batshit goddamn insane (case in point: Utnayan).

He gets to advertise for basically free, we get some insight into the minds behind Copernicus. It's basically win/win for everyone all around except the handful of people who thought Brad was going to usher in a new era of majestic gaming for the elite and might be tempted to glue themselves to Curts balls because their former mesiah was a false prophet.

I'd go on but my waffles are done. Cliff notes is stop fucking crying, send an email to 38s asking how you can go about requesting a signature for your tl;dr who gives a fuck reason and then man the fuck up.

[Flight]

Originally Posted by Sunnyd

but jesus Flight can you lay off the Curt and 38S cock slobbering? Its really embarressing to be honest. We get it. You do project management and claim to be so great, but are so hungry for a job it hurts. Truth be told, your posts are so stalkery, Im suprised a restraining order hasnt been taken out.
Theres its said. Ofcourse its only my opinion, but I just couldnt let it go on anymore without saying something, as your posts make my skin crawl.

I've never heard of Curt and have zero interest in baseball.

The truth is I am genuinely interested (*shock*) in the work of Dymus and Brett, which I believe to be revolutionary in the industry, outside of Japan.


If you check my post history you'll see me raving about QA in the industry and saying the skill sets needed to revolutionize the industry didn't exist in house, in multiple other threads. I was wrong. Having said that, it is extremely interesting that they've come to the games industry via a career in Electronic Engineering and QA (which was my whole career, largely in the military, prior to moving into IT).

Most people find that boring and don't get it. But don't mix up my 'enthusiasm' at seeing what I've always said needed to happen actually happening with 'cock sucking'.


If you spent your life building a skill set that could transform our (MMO) industry and you ran into some guys in a bar who had an almost identical career history to yours and were making it happen then I suspect your conversations would be similar to my posts in this thread.

[yoshimura]

Originally Posted by Zehn - Vhex

Clearly this is the wave of the future:

GeForce 3D Vision Kit

Everquest is not supported
It will never sell

[guanna]

All I can say is if Kurt is calling people idiots (deserved or not) bashing Democrats, and ignoring messages from fans, or even from haters, he is not advertising very well.

I have a $100 collector's edition box of Vanguard sitting on the shelf I bought on release day, I have a nice little lanyard and badge thing I got from attending the Fanguard deal in Vegas..... Ole Brad was a salesman, courteous to one and all. If I ever meet Brad again, I'm taking my $100 bucks back and handing that CE box of shit right back to him. Anyway, I just don't understand Kurt or his advertisement methods.

My apology stands, I said it because I meant it, but my opinion stands as well. I will retract one thing I said though, if the game kicks ass, I will play. To say I wouldn't play a kick ass game because he ignored a PM is childish. If the man and his team can pull it off, and not end up VG2.0, they deserve my subscription $$.

At any rate, I don't think I came across right, my point seems to have been largely missed, I'll take responsibility for that and stfu.

[Frax]

Originally Posted by guanna

All I can say is if Kurt is calling people idiots (deserved or not) bashing Democrats, and ignoring messages from fans, or even from haters, he is not advertising very well.

I have a $100 collector's edition box of Vanguard sitting on the shelf I bought on release day, I have a nice little lanyard and badge thing I got from attending the Fanguard deal in Vegas..... Ole Brad was a salesman, courteous to one and all. If I ever meet Brad again, I'm taking my $100 bucks back and handing that CE box of shit right back to him. Anyway, I just don't understand Kurt or his advertisement methods.

My apology stands, I said it because I meant it, but my opinion stands as well. I will retract one thing I said though, if the game kicks ass, I will play. To say I wouldn't play a kick ass game because he ignored a PM is childish. If the man and his team can pull it off, and not end up VG2.0, they deserve my subscription $$.

At any rate, I don't think I came across right, my point seems to have been largely missed, I'll take responsibility for that and stfu.

I imagine his PM box is probably full of "HEY, I LIKE RED SOX, CAN I GET IN BETA????" messages. As far as 'advertising' I'm not seeing much at all other than him trying to keep people teased as to info about the game. Almost everything he posts seems to be references to how much he likes the folks at his new company or how they are impressing him with their smarts, or actual discussion on game theory.

[guanna]

I'm fully willing to accept and admit that I may be wrong. Sometimes simple shit escapes me, never thought of how full his box must constantly be.

Calling people idiots and bashing Dems is simply not good advertisement. Therefore, I am led to the conclusion that I may be wrong about him altogether. Perhaps he IS, "just a guy" posting on a board with like minded individuals, who just happens to be making a new mmo. I cannot say that I wouldn't talk about my game if I were in his shoes. I know damn well I'd be talking.

Fuck, I'm probably projecting anger at Brad onto Kurt.... any shrinks in the house that can verify or deny this?

**EDIT** you know its times like this where I can justifiably blame Asperger's Autism for inappropriate emotional responses, these moments of clarity when I realize that I have just wildly jumped to conclusions with little to no research or even interest, really. I never use my Autism as an excuse for my behavior, nor do I let my son do so either. It may be a reason, but it is not an excuse. Having Asperger's is like turning into a retarded idiot for about an hour or so about once a week for me, but I'm learning to catch it and once I have realized , hey I'm being stupid, I can usually just simmer down. Bright side is, the more I practice (dunno if that is the right word for it) the less frequent the idiot comes out and for less duration. I worry for my son though, he's just a boy. Who knows, maybe I'm worse off finding out I have Asperger's at the age of 31 and having to relearn behaviors than he is finding out at the age of 9 while still learning his initial behaviors. Either way, it's stupid.