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[Zehn - Vhex]

Hallelujah brotherman!

^5

[Quince]

Originally Posted by FoghornDeadhorn

Zehn? Job system for Copernicus, can I get a hi-five an an amen?

o/

VETO

I know you weren't asking me but although I loved playing FFXI I didn't like the fact that certain people weren't known as a good healer, or that shitty tank. Granted there was alot of LS switching (also another retarded concept) but it's nice when you get to build up a reputation as someone who is skilled at their class etc.

[FoghornDeadhorn]

Why couldn't you get a rep with a job system? I'm familiar with some of the shortcomings of the job system, but I can hardly see an inability to get a reputation being near the top of the list. I could see maybe if all the good players could cover all the trinity then people who would otherwise be known as "good" (AKA "hey, it's someone willing to heal who doesn't blow at it and is therefore 'good'") would get washed out, but frankly I don't care about those people.

In WoW you have one class that can heal, melee, tank, and nuke. Everyone else is annoyed at them. Why go down that route again?

[Zehn - Vhex]

Originally Posted by Quince

VETO

It's a good thing I bookmark my own posts now. Saves me so much time.

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/1133520-post4149.html

[Fammaden]

You could still build a rep as a good healer, tank whatever. The nice thing is that you could do so without changing who your character was. It gave you options but tied you to a character since no one wanted to grind keys and bags and everything else a second time.

Skill trees like the talent system are lame to me. They are a good alternative to the EQ paradigm of very one dimensional classes. But if you can easily be that class on a whim then the one dimensional part doesn't matter as much. You can just BE that class without rerolling and having alts with five different names. Makes it harder to escape your reputation on a server but still gives the players options. Also easier on balance since you just balance pure classes and not all this hybrid spec confusion.

The LS system was great to me as well. It is great having a core guild of like minded individuals but sometimes after a few years you can get tired of the same fuckers over and over. Swap your LS and you can hang with casual friends or crafters or whatever you want that night without any undue drama on what tag you are wearing.

Of all the controversial things in FFXI, I think LS's and the multi job system are the concepts most in need of copying. Doesn't even have to be sub jobs/multi classing, just the ability to use one character for any role you want to fill. You still have to level but you have an advantage which is not purely twink gear, and you are still known to the server you play on as an entity.

[Quince]

I personally hated the LS system because it never really felt like your guild mates were, hell guild mates. Some people would have 3-4 different LSs and would just swap around whenever they felt like it. It all came down to just going by your friends list and inviting for raids that way.

Some times you would be inviting to raid and your good BRD/WHM that was great was off leveling some worthless class like Dragoon and it would totally screw you over(this was back during vanilla FFXI so I have no idea how the Dragoon turned out so save your angry letters)

[Fammaden]

Not to derail into FFXI too much, but I had one LS that was a serious HNM contender and they definitely wouldn't have approved of shit like that if you wanted to keep getting loot and spots on missions and shit. Nor could you just go pop the spawns with a rival HNM guild without figuring on having your pearl broken. Yet you were totally free to take the pearl off, swap to your friends' pearls, hop in dynamis alliances or AF gear for sub jobs focused pearls, etc. I guess how much a LS feels like a "real guild" that we are used to depends on how it is run though. Its not like you had no idea what that missing person was doing, that would be like your good healer in WoW off leveling an alt at raid time, except that being on an alt makes it much easier for him to actually hide it from you.

[Genjiro]

More FFXI info than 38s info up in hurr.

[Faille]

Originally Posted by Genjiro

More FFXI info than 38s info up in hurr.

not like we're going to get any real 38s info anytime soon.

[Genjiro]

Originally Posted by Faille

not like we're going to get any real 38s info anytime soon.

I know, this thread is should be renamed to the No Real Info but Please Remember 38s is Making a Game (and tell all your friends about it) thread. I'm feeling a little under the weather, my doctor thinks it might be something viral I picked up somewhere.

[Faille]

well, while I don't like the lack of information, I do appreciate Moorguard and Nguk taking the time to chat about MMO's in general. It's good to see developers trying to stay in touch with their potential player base as well as the current trends and concerns in the industry.

[Linus]

What do you expect them to say that they haven't already said? "We're psyched about the game, we're working our asses off, no, we can't reveal any more specifics yet (because we're probably still having massive after-many-beers-late-into-the-night discussions about them.)"

As long as when they get it to a place they're comfortable with - they come show us stuff and maybe even respond to our thoughts and criticisms.

[Zarcath]

Well it's not like we're a real news source or anything, any exclusive looks or info is going to places like gamespot, ign and 1up. You know, people that can actually make them money.

[Quince]

True but at those sites are you gonna be able to jump in the forum and give and take with the dervs themselves.

I am curious if they are going to have their own "official Forums" over at 38 or just use fan sites like these to post etc.

[FoghornDeadhorn]

I'm sure they'll have Beta forums and game forums just like any other MMO. Prior to that I think there's little point. Let the communities discuss it, and have your future community managers follow those sites and respond. It's the best way to keep getting exposure; obviously, once someone is at your site they know about your game.