Green Monster Games (Curt Schilling)

[Genjiro]

Even though I like the style of what was shown, it's still just concept art. When you have a screen full of people with in game footage and you are showing 60fps like I get in WoW while looking just as nice, then I can start getting excited about your game.

Vanguard had great concept art too.

[Bongk]

Gonna show my age here, but if you ask what are some of the best games I have ever played the lsit would be Ultima 4 and 5, A Bards Tale (original version), early might and magic series games (world of xeen), Diablo 1 and 2, Warcraft and so forth.

Now ask me some of the ugliest games I ever played, you would get the same list. All anyone cares about anymore is art and graphics. I may be old and in the minority but graphics have never made a game funner. It may catch my eye and make me oooh and aaah for an hour or two but thats about it.

Now don;t get me wrong, very badly done art and animations can be a hinderance to a game, but just average art is fine and dandy to me as what makes the game fun is not how many pixels it shows but system and functions of the game.

I am gonna pull numbers out my ass here and guess, but I would have to assume back in the 80's and early 90's graphics were a MUCH smaller portion of the budget and more was spent on actual gameplay. Now days it seems all anyone cares about is how pretty it is and gameplay be damned. (looking at you oblivion and the like)

I would prefer text muds to shit like VG and most of the current crop of MMOG's. It is why games like D2 that look like complete ass are still played by more people than msot current games. Gameplay is king and graphics dont mean a damn thing in the end, but noone seems to get that anymore.

I have never and will never get excited about concept art or screenshots, because they tell you NOTHING about how fun or lasting a game will be, but yet eat the largest part of the budget (according to what I read), yea that make sense... it is why the game industry is going down the shitter IMO, But noone seems to get that except blizzard.

[Draegan]

Bards Tale was great, but I hated Ultima 4. I remember going out with my Dad buying Ultima 3: Exodus for our Apple ][e+. My first RPG ever.

[Bongk]

Originally Posted by Draegan

Bards Tale was great, but I hated Ultima 4. I remember going out with my Dad buying Ultima 3: Exodus for our Apple ][e+. My first RPG ever.

ahh a fellow gamer pushing the 40 mark = )

[Draegan]

Nope not that old, sorry

[Bongk]

Originally Posted by Draegan

Nope not that old, sorry

/cry

getting old sucks.

[manslayer]

Bard's Tale and the early Ultimas were my first RPGs too. Then Phantasie III omg. Commadore 64 here though not Apple 2!

[Genjiro]

ZZGO, that is all.

[Protest]

Originally Posted by Genjiro

Even though I like the style of what was shown, it's still just concept art. When you have a screen full of people with in game footage and you are showing 60fps like I get in WoW while looking just as nice, then I can start getting excited about your game.

Vanguard had great concept art too.

I suppose the days of just appreciating nice concept artwork, without adding cynical addendum are long gone huh?

[UnchainedAcolyte]

Originally Posted by Protest

I suppose the days of just appreciating nice concept artwork, without adding cynical addendum are long gone huh?

After Vanguard, any attempt at selling prospective players on anything secondhand related to an MMO is long, long gone.

Cynicism hit the nail on the head. Unfortunately 38Studios and other developers are going to have one hell of a time whether they give out information regarding their game or not.

Originally Posted by Blackguard

Good. You've been hardened by the failures in the MMO market and should be able to jump into a game without expectations. It's best to reserve your opinions about a game until it's at a release level of quality (or at least what its developers deem it is so... even though I don't agree with the "launch quality" of most games). When that time finally arrives, it'll be great to see what you think of the game.

When your game is delivered in that condition, then we'll be impressed. Until then, color us skeptical.

MMO gamers, especially the harder-core, core, serious, or whatever the hell moniker you wish to tack on to us, have been lied to and manipulated numerous times by game developers. The worst was Mr. McQuaid, in my opinion, since Vanguard was seen to be a "second coming" of sorts. We were suckers, and he drew many of us in, hook, line and sinker.

I think 38Studios is taking the best approach they can, a cautious one, and features, game design, and game elements (as well as audience) need to be firmly decided on. Problem is, we're still rabid fans hoping for something of an improvement, and we like even a small amount of information.

[Tyen]

I think 38Studios is taking the best approach they can, a cautious one, and features, game design, and game elements (as well as audience) need to be firmly decided on. Problem is, we're still rabid fans hoping for something of an improvement, and we like even a small amount of information.

Couldn't agree with you more~

[Draegan]

He's not trying to sell you anything, but he most likely thought it would be cool if he showed you some more concept art to take a look at.

It's just that simple. Stop with the dramatic heroics. Devs just continue to laugh at you.

[Genjiro]

Yea, they're just mmorpg philanthropists chatting it up here randomly on one of the most viewed mmo forums simply because they *truly care* about your opinions in helping create their game.

"hai guyz heres sum kewl concept art not intended to create buzz about our upcoming title. Everyones valuable input will of course win FoH posters a free copy of Copernicus when the game comes out. We're not shills, honest."

PS. Suck more dick please Draegan

[Druixx]

Originally Posted by Bongk

Gonna show my age here, but if you ask what are some of the best games I have ever played the lsit would be Ultima 4 and 5, A Bards Tale (original version), early might and magic series games (world of xeen), Diablo 1 and 2, Warcraft and so forth.

Now ask me some of the ugliest games I ever played, you would get the same list. All anyone cares about anymore is art and graphics. I may be old and in the minority but graphics have never made a game funner. It may catch my eye and make me oooh and aaah for an hour or two but thats about it.

Now don;t get me wrong, very badly done art and animations can be a hinderance to a game, but just average art is fine and dandy to me as what makes the game fun is not how many pixels it shows but system and functions of the game.

I am gonna pull numbers out my ass here and guess, but I would have to assume back in the 80's and early 90's graphics were a MUCH smaller portion of the budget and more was spent on actual gameplay. Now days it seems all anyone cares about is how pretty it is and gameplay be damned. (looking at you oblivion and the like)

I would prefer text muds to shit like VG and most of the current crop of MMOG's. It is why games like D2 that look like complete ass are still played by more people than msot current games. Gameplay is king and graphics dont mean a damn thing in the end, but noone seems to get that anymore.

I have never and will never get excited about concept art or screenshots, because they tell you NOTHING about how fun or lasting a game will be, but yet eat the largest part of the budget (according to what I read), yea that make sense... it is why the game industry is going down the shitter IMO, But noone seems to get that except blizzard.

This.

[Draegan]

Originally Posted by Genjiro

Yea, they're just mmorpg philanthropists chatting it up here randomly on one of the most viewed mmo forums simply because they *truly care* about your opinions in helping create their game.

Actually, If I had to guess, I'd say places like MMORPG.com, TenTon and IGN get a lot more traffic than this place. I doubt it's the most viewed at all.

Also in a recent post from Curt:

hehe, no matter how the conversation goes here, or on FOH, or any board for that matter, the same things are going to happen.
1) Danuser and Roberts are going to wince up until, and sometimes after, reading my posts.
2) A sect of people are going to hammer whatever I say
3) A sect of people are going to be excited about what I say
4) A sect of people are going to utter a quote almost exactly like this "Shut the hell up. You talk talk talk and haven't shown us anything, don't tell us anymore until we can see a full blown live playest on youtube"
5) A sect of people are going to say "Ya but I hate R.A., he's a hack and he sucks"
6) A sect of people are going to say "Ya but Todd McFarlane is involved, it's going to suck suck suck.."
7) Two sects of people are going to oppose those in points 5 and 6
8) Someone is going to give me 733T PWN U business advice in one of the following quotes:
A) Don't publish your game until it's finished (as if I didn't already know that)
B) Don't have quests, they suck, Exp sucks, everything sucks but especially WOW, don't make it like WoW, or EQ, or EQ2, or AOC, or etc. etc.
c) Take my advice, hire the folks on this board, we are so much smarter than the people in this industry it's funny
D) Don't try and beat WoW, you will screw up if you do
E) Don't make another fantasy MMO
etc. etc.

All of that will in some form or another, continue to happen as I interact in these forums.

This is all I can really tell you. As a gamer, I am in no way different than many of you. I am deeply passionate and deeply devoted to playing and enjoying MMO's. I've been playing them since the early UO days so I think I know a little bit about the genre and about what's been good and what hasn't, it's not really rocket science to see how many people are playing what games. I have been adamant since day 1 and told this to anyone that will listen. I am NOT making MY GAME. With that being said I am not throwing my cash on the table and telling a group of people I didn't know "Go make a cool game" either.

You have no idea how much I want to share right now about what we are doing. I have however, been taught by the Danusers, Roberts, and others of the world what can happen if i don't listen to them in crucial spots, and believe it or not I KNOW I am nowhere near the smartest guy in the room (except when it's a 1-1 with Danuser).

My family here has achieved, they've produced, most more than once. I trust them and I think they trust me to lead them. Leading them is about creating an environment that facilitates them doing way more than they ever dreamed they could, and from a first hand source I can tell you it's happening.

Yes that's a tease, and for now that's all I have for you. I won't and can't tell you how our class/race/skills/world/PVP or any of that is working or thought of because there is a TOTAL NO WIN in having those discussions with people that aren't 'eyes on' this stuff 24/7.

There will soon come a time when people outside this studio will lay eyes on our product to begin giving us vital objective feedback and we have industry studs to organize and oversee that process.

At the end of the day someone here really did put it best. I've been blessed enough to be in position to go from thinking about making a game, and talking about making a game, to putting my money where my mouth is and actually create an IP that has its core focus as an online Fantasy MMO, and damn if that isn't cool as hell.

So which group of forum idiot do you fall into? You're probably 4 or 8.

I think guys like Curt and Blackguard post here because they are gamers and like discussing shit with like minded gamers. They probably also like showing off any part of their work they are allowed to because they are excited about their own project. They leave the shilling to much more exposed websites.