Macbook Pro

[Toxxulian]

I just received mine in the mail today, extremely happy with it. Looks great, starts quick, and has everything i need for school/playing eqmac.

The reason i am posting here is because i wanted to know if anyone had some suggestions on programs for cleaning/defragging.

I have been using macs at my college for the past couple of years so i know my way around fairly well. But I've never had my own. The only reason i ask this is because i have to use three different programs on my desktop PC to clean it up once a week. I use jk defrag, CCleaner, and Advanced Systems Care to do it all.

Do i need something like this for my mac? I've been googling around looking for stuff and the only program I've found is OnyX. But it doesn't defrag my hdd. Basically looking for something to keep my laptop in tiptop order like i do for my pc.

Thanks.

[Zeste]

Originally Posted by Toxxulian

The reason i am posting here is because i wanted to know if anyone had some suggestions on programs for cleaning/defragging.
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Do i need something like this for my mac?

No. OS X does this all for you. I am currently posting on a Mac Pro computer I use for work, I bought it in July of 2007. I think the longest I have gone without rebooting is 2 months?

That's 2 months of daily heavy photoshop/illustrator/flash/indesign usage, not to mention encoding videos I download and also the machine serving my 2 TB of movies to my Apple TV's.

Onyx is just an app that lets you manually start maintenance events that OS X does on it's own in the background.

The only "maintenance" program I'd recommend is AppZapper, and it's just an uninstaller.

[Toxxulian]

You really don't need a defragger? I don't understand how that is possible? Even if the computer auto defrags that would mean i would have to leave the computer on all the time, which I'm not going to do because it's a laptop.

If i am wrong, then great, thanks for the quick reply. (shows how much i know about owning a mac)

[Zeste]

Originally Posted by Toxxulian

You really don't need a defragger? I don't understand how that is possible?

OS X is built on BSD, which is a UNIX variant. It does not work like Windows at it's core. The file system is HFS+. OS X defrags and maintains your file system on the fly. There is no reason to defragment your OS X system. In fact, defragging can often slow down your system and boot times as it ruins the optimization that OS X has built for you.

I am sure there will be some apple/windows insults in this thread, but I'm just trying to state the facts.

[Toxxulian]

Ok, thanks for the replies. Makes sense, i read somewhere that this was the case, just wanted to double check. Been using a pc for so long it feels weird not having to do weekly defrag/scans.

[Desidero]

Did you seriously do that stuff weekly on your PC? I'm a very heavy PC user with a relatively old PC (I push it to the point where it crawls very often - GPU, CPU and HDD loads) and can go for many days without reboots and months without defrags and there is no noticeable performance hit. CCleaner is something you should very rarely have to use, if ever. Defragging can be once per week if you want I suppose, but you can get away without doing it for a few months and it doesn't make a big difference unless you're installing/uninstalling an awful lot of stuff all the time.

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That being said, NTFS is a file system that should no longer be in use and it is something Mac users can legitimately rub in the PC world's face. Windows dropped the ball by keeping NTFS active in Win7. I heard they're planning on finally patching in support for their new file system at some point during Win7's lifespan.

[Kaxmax]

Originally Posted by Desidero

That being said, NTFS is a file system that should no longer be in use and it is something Mac users can legitimately rub in the PC world's face.

I don't use my MBP much anymore, have they made the jump to ZFS with Snow Leapord? I wouldn't say HFS+ is any better than NTFS, if that's what's still being used. That being said, I would have loved to see WinFS with Vista.

And to the OP, defrag once a week? Seriously? What exactly do you do with your PC that you feel like that's necessary?

[Darus Grey]

ZFS is supposed to be an optional part of Snow Leopard, that hasn't been removed from the developer build afaik.

[aychamo_aycono]

Originally Posted by Toxxulian

You really don't need a defragger? I don't understand how that is possible? Even if the computer auto defrags that would mean i would have to leave the computer on all the time, which I'm not going to do because it's a laptop.

If i am wrong, then great, thanks for the quick reply. (shows how much i know about owning a mac)

Yup! Just like stated above, you now have a laptop with the most amazing (consumer) operating system in the world on it. Don't think in Windows terms anymore. Congratulations on your purchase. I made the switch about 5-6 years ago and have never once looked back. I recommend tuaw.com for a decent blog on OS X apps. Also there's an app called Monolingual which can go through all your programs and remove the foreign language files and it saves a lot of hd space.

Originally Posted by Kaxmax

I don't use my MBP much anymore, have they made the jump to ZFS with Snow Leapord?

Isn't Snow Leopard such a great idea? For anyone who's reading this thread and doesn't know, Snow Leopard is the next release of OS X. It's entirely focused on optimizing the speed at which programs run and cutting out any fat in the operating system's programs. So when you install it basically everything will run faster and you'll have a lot more free HD space because the built in programs will take up less space. I think it's brilliant.

I'm not bashing Windows, I just think they made a lot of bad decisions. It could probably be fantastic if they just rewrote it from the ground up instead of modifying old poop. You can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit

[aychamo_aycono]

Originally Posted by Zeste

The only "maintenance" program I'd recommend is AppZapper, and it's just an uninstaller.

Man, I fucking hate Austin Sarner (or whatever his name is) and that Philip Ryu group. They make all the little pretty programs for OS X but never anything with substance. AppZapper is ok but they keep making all these apps, and they are the masters of marketing, sell a jillion copies and then never update them again. The biggest scam they pulled was the MyDreamApp thing. So much publicity, made millions, and never produced a single program. What a crock of shit And all the MacHeist stuff. Man, that dudes like 20 years old now, and a millioinaire, all made from the mac shareware community. It blows my mind.

I'm just bitter because I really wanted to see Atmosphere get made and they never did!

[Kaxmax]

Unfortunately I don't share your enthusiasm for OSX. It's more of a toy operating system for me at this point, any real work is done in Windows. I do love my MBP though, their laptop hardware is second to none.

[Zeste]

Originally Posted by Kaxmax

It's more of a toy operating system for me at this point, any real work is done in Windows.

What sort of real work do you do in Windows that you can't do in OSX, I'm curious.

[Kaxmax]

I do applications & network support for a large lawfirm. Generally applications packaging/deployment, VM Infrastructure support, SQL, DMS support, etc. Like I said, I love the MBP hardware, but my next laptop will be a Thinkpad.

I have nothing against OSX, it's a decent consumer OS. It's just not the panacea that many mac users try to pass it off as. I do think it's going to be amusing when OSX gets enough market share to warrant attention from the virus/malware community, Apple's security policies are questionable at times.

[aychamo_aycono]

Originally Posted by Kaxmax

I do applications & network support for a large lawfirm. Generally applications packaging/deployment, VM Infrastructure support, SQL, DMS support, etc. Like I said, I love the MBP hardware, but my next laptop will be a Thinkpad.

I have nothing against OSX, it's a decent consumer OS. In my opinion, it's just not the panacea that many mac users try to pass it off as. I do think it's going to be amusing when OSX gets enough market share to warrant attention from the virus/malware community, Apple's security policies are questionable at times.

Fixed that for you.

[Desidero]

I'm pretty sure that was implied, Aych. I don't understand the need for Mac people to go crazy defending/praising their OS and attacking Windows. We get it - Mac people don't like PCs and you dream of having babies and a happy life with your Mac forever and ever in rainbow land. That's great. Just don't keep telling people about it because we don't care.

If he made an actual false claim it would be fine for you to correct him, but he was obviously just posting his opinion which cannot be proven to be true or false. Adding in shit like that just makes you look like an obnoxious Mac person. I do enjoy reading your posts and you seem like an entertaining person, but the gung-ho Mac shit is incredibly annoying. People are entitled to their opinions.