Heroes of Newerth - Page 8

Murr · 07-02-2009, 08:13 PM

I can see your point, and it was definitely an adjustment for me going back to normal mode (I pretty much exclusively played -sdem on DOTA for the last long while after years of playing regular mode DOTA and then DOTA Allstars), but I'd be pretty upset if they removed it outright.. I outright prefer it sometimes because, to me, it's just fun to farm up a powerful item build in 20-25 minutes and, if things go badly, you're not stuck with that team/character for another hour. It's not as balanced and it's not the "intended" way to play but it's still fun.

I would say I've seen maybe two EM games ever hosted on HoN, largely due to the playerbase who's been invited probably, but it doesn't seem like it will be as EM dominated as public BNet was.

Blank · 07-02-2009, 08:18 PM

This reminds me of the BGH hate starcraft "pros" use to dish out.

Overall, I don't care. Game modes like that are generally very fun diversions when you get bored with the same ol' shit the original offers. People who want to play only that are more than welcome too. I can't exactly fault people for playing a game mode they enjoy more than the "original".

'Hey you! Stop playing that game you're having fun with and play this game that'll frustrate you and where we can insult you for having no skills". :P

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This isn't an issue if the player exclusively stays in -em games, but very frequently players think they are good on -em and decide to give non-em a try and end up ruining games.

If you care that much about the skill-level of your teammates, you should never be playing pugs in the first place. This is a general rule of thumb when it comes to ANY team-based game (TF2, L4D, etc).

In conclusion, the DotA community is retarded and makes the Halo community look incredibly mature.

3xodus · 07-02-2009, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Blank

In conclusion, the DotA community is retarded and makes the Halo community look incredibly mature.

This is unfortunately way too true. I'm not sure what it is but DotA is definitely packed full of douches, whiners, and just overall annoying players. The game is way more enjoyable when you know the people you play and you don't have to deal with the people you find in pubs.

Zehn - Vhex · 07-02-2009, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 3xodus

This is unfortunately way too true. I'm not sure what it is but DotA is definitely packed full of douches, whiners, and just overall annoying players. The game is way more enjoyable when you know the people you play and you don't have to deal with the people you find in pubs.

Yeah. Played for a couple hours last night with FoH folks, had a good time. Then people went to bed and I continued playing and spent the next two hours getting "ROFL NUB LET'S ALL KILL THE NUB" because I wanted to try out the differnet classes and didn't just instantly grab one of the stupid OP classes like devourer or blood.

Anyone have an extra invite? Will give +nets.

Murr · 07-02-2009, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Zehn - Vhex

Yeah. Played for a couple hours last night with FoH folks, had a good time. Then people went to bed and I continued playing and spent the next two hours getting "ROFL NUB LET'S ALL KILL THE NUB" because I wanted to try out the differnet classes and didn't just instantly grab one of the stupid OP classes like devourer or blood.

Anyone have an extra invite? Will give +nets.

pm me an email addy

Zehn - Vhex · 07-02-2009, 09:47 PM

Thanks Murr. Already gave you plus nets though. 8(

Instead, here's the lyrics to Total Eclipse of the Heart which is just as good.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

CyrusReij · 07-02-2009, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by 3xodus

This is unfortunately way too true. I'm not sure what it is but DotA is definitely packed full of douches, whiners, and just overall annoying players. The game is way more enjoyable when you know the people you play and you don't have to deal with the people you find in pubs.

This. I play with my 2 brothers, and while we aren't fucking Ace DotA Team, it is infinitely better than having to worry about the rest of the team being retards or assholes.

Faille · 07-02-2009, 10:15 PM

I got a couple of invites too so PM me if you need some

wild_whiskey · 07-02-2009, 10:44 PM

Been good times so far playing with FOHers. When I'm playing with people I know, I'm much less likely to talk immense trash when I get frustrated (which tends to happen, especially against frustrating heroes like Hammersmith and Scout).

Faille · 07-02-2009, 10:46 PM

don't forget that nympho that flies off on her own and TP's people into death traps!

also, when asking for beta invite, include email address.

CyrusReij · 07-02-2009, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Faille

don't forget that nympho that flies off on her own and TP's people into death traps!

also, when asking for beta invite, include email address.

The converse of this, is one of your team playing Kraken, and Whirlpooling people out of their fountain (when the game is about to end) and then just raping them, which is hilarious.

Pinchandroll · 07-03-2009, 12:36 AM

Bad thing about beta is it seems like 90% of games have one premade team, so if you aren't playing with a group of friends you will get stomped every time you try to play with pubs.

So far, it seems guaranteed I get at least 1-2 people on my team who have never played dota before, let alone HoN

Necrolyte · 07-03-2009, 01:41 AM

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You really are a bit fucking slow arn't you?

Please explain to me exactly how last hitting is no longer a non-factor? I still get MORE money. I still deny XP....I don't get your point at all.

You don't like EM, fine, don't play it. But stop tricking yourself into thinking killing creeps all of a sudden becomes stupid.

I used to play DOTA at a pretty high level, and -em games do last just as long as normal games, for good players.

-em games also smudge the differences in skill levels between teams, which is why many good players will say -em games require less skill, or really is "easy mode." You can still deny, and you can still last-hit, but it has less of an impact in an -em match, and that's why the difference between an average player and an above average player becomes smudged.

There's been quite a few long, in-depth analysis on the modes, and in the end the conclusion is that playing normal mode is more balanced, and will make you a better player in the long run. However, in saying this, -em mode is fun for some players, and that's fine. But it's definitely not "shorter" and actually is an "easier" mode, if we consider easy as meaning skill differences are lessened rather than magnified like it is in normal mode.

Finally, yes, the game is balanced for normal mode. In -em, there are huge bias shifts towards AGI and late-game heroes.

Elerion · 07-03-2009, 02:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Zarcath

Using the gold glove came from EM too I think

Nah, Midas was never worth it in -em.

It used to be damn good in standard games. Back before Treads were buffed and Travels nerfed, and when Midas recipe was only a 1000g upgrade to the 610g Gloves of Haste, the relative cost increase was very small. Midas was at that point only 580g more expensive than old Treads, could be bought a wave or two earlier, and you probably wanted Travels anyway.

Nerfs to Midas and Travels and buffs to Treads means that with a few exceptions, Midas is nowadays an item for the math-impaired.

Inconsiderable · 07-03-2009, 05:55 AM

BTW... Remember that its a) still early beta and b) NDA.

07-02-2009, 08:13 PM	#106 (permalink)
Murr Token Gnome Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,089 +17 Internets	I can see your point, and it was definitely an adjustment for me going back to normal mode (I pretty much exclusively played -sdem on DOTA for the last long while after years of playing regular mode DOTA and then DOTA Allstars), but I'd be pretty upset if they removed it outright.. I outright prefer it sometimes because, to me, it's just fun to farm up a powerful item build in 20-25 minutes and, if things go badly, you're not stuck with that team/character for another hour. It's not as balanced and it's not the "intended" way to play but it's still fun. I would say I've seen maybe two EM games ever hosted on HoN, largely due to the playerbase who's been invited probably, but it doesn't seem like it will be as EM dominated as public BNet was. __________________ rogue \| mage

07-02-2009, 09:47 PM	#111 (permalink)
Zehn - Vhex Lord of the Dance Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 8,796 +166 Internets	Thanks Murr. Already gave you plus nets though. 8( Instead, here's the lyrics to Total Eclipse of the Heart which is just as good. Spoiler Alert, click show to read: Turnaround, every now and then I get a little bit lonely and you're never coming around Turnaround, Every now and then I get a little bit tired of listening to the sound of my tears Turnaround, Every now and then I get a little bit nervous that the best of all the years have gone by Turnaround, Every now and then I get a little bit terrified and then I see the look in your eyes Turnaround bright eyes, Every now and then I fall apart Turnaround bright eyes, Every now and then I fall apart Turnaround, Every now and then I get a little bit restless and I dream of something wild Turnaround, Every now and then I get a little bit helpless and I'm lying like a child in your arms Turnaround, Every now and then I get a little bit angry and I know I've got to get out and cry Turnaround, Every now and then I get a little bit terrified but then I see the look in your eyes Turnaround bright eyes, Every now and then I fall apart Turnaround bright eyes, Every now and then I fall apart And I need you now tonight And I need you more than ever And if you'll only hold me tight We'll be holding on forever And we'll only be making it right Cause we'll never be wrong together We can take it to the end of the line Your love is like a shadow on me all of the time I don't know what to do and I'm always in the dark We're living in a powder keg and giving off sparks I really need you tonight Forever's gonna start tonight Forever's gonna start tonight Once upon a time I was falling in love But now I'm only falling apart There's nothing I can do A total eclipse of the heart Once upon a time there was light in my life But now there's only love in the dark Nothing I can say A total eclipse of the heart Turnaround bright eyes Turnaround bright eyes Turnaround, every now and then I know you'll never be the boy you always you wanted to be Turnaround, every now and then I know you'll always be the only boy who wanted me the way that I am Turnaround, every now and then I know there's no one in the universe as magical and wonderous as you Turnaround, every now and then I know there's nothing any better and there's nothing I just wouldn't do Turnaround bright eyes, Every now and then I fall apart Turnaround bright eyes, Every now and then I fall apart And I need you now tonight And I need you more than ever And if you'll only hold me tight We'll be holding on forever And we'll only be making it right Cause we'll never be wrong together We can take it to the end of the line Your love is like a shadow on me all of the time I don't know what to do and I'm always in the dark We're living in a powder keg and giving off sparks I really need you tonight Forever's gonna start tonight Forever's gonna start tonight Once upon a time I was falling in love But now I'm only falling apart There's nothing I can do A total eclipse of the heart Once upon a time there was light in my life But now there's only love in the dark Nothing I can say A total eclipse of the heart

07-02-2009, 10:15 PM	#113 (permalink)
Faille Fires of Heaven Officer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 3,364 +25 Internets	I got a couple of invites too so PM me if you need some __________________ Faille Fires of Heaven http://www.fohguild.org/forums/uberw...lopment-forum/

07-02-2009, 10:46 PM	#115 (permalink)
Faille Fires of Heaven Officer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 3,364 +25 Internets	don't forget that nympho that flies off on her own and TP's people into death traps! also, when asking for beta invite, include email address. __________________ Faille Fires of Heaven http://www.fohguild.org/forums/uberw...lopment-forum/

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07-02-2009, 10:44 PM	#114 (permalink)
wild_whiskey Garrulous Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Japan Posts: 2,041 +5 Internets	Been good times so far playing with FOHers. When I'm playing with people I know, I'm much less likely to talk immense trash when I get frustrated (which tends to happen, especially against frustrating heroes like Hammersmith and Scout).

07-03-2009, 12:36 AM	#117 (permalink)
Pinchandroll Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 204 +4 Internets	Bad thing about beta is it seems like 90% of games have one premade team, so if you aren't playing with a group of friends you will get stomped every time you try to play with pubs. So far, it seems guaranteed I get at least 1-2 people on my team who have never played dota before, let alone HoN

07-03-2009, 05:55 AM	#120 (permalink)
Inconsiderable the princess approves Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,487 +0 Internets	BTW... Remember that its a) still early beta and b) NDA.