Heroes of Newerth - Page 7

Inconsiderable · 07-02-2009, 11:26 AM

okay. everyone who send me a PM got a key by now :]

Sadly some people are on holidays so I am also out of keys. No more PMs pls

Zarcath · 07-02-2009, 12:18 PM

out of invites

Hooby · 07-02-2009, 12:30 PM

All out o.o, Aztlan, next time PM your email address, can't invite you without it xD

Murr · 07-02-2009, 02:10 PM

Don't hate on -EM fags, I'm a perfectly good DOTA player but I loved -arem and -apem games on BNet. It's just a lot more fun to pop in and play a specific hero/item build sometimes than a protracted 5 man roaming gankfest that normal mode games often devolve into. Plus if you have a bad game it's over in 20-30 minutes instead of an hour.

Nothing I hate more than douchebags who join your EM game on HON just to say how gay EM is and then quit.

They really should have left it as SM/Short Mode.. calling it "Easy Mode" just reeks of internet wannabe-badassery.

possible · 07-02-2009, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Murr

Don't hate on -EM fags, I'm a perfectly good DOTA player but I loved -arem and -apem games on BNet. It's just a lot more fun to pop in and play a specific hero/item build sometimes than a protracted 5 man roaming gankfest that normal mode games often devolve into. Plus if you have a bad game it's over in 20-30 minutes instead of an hour.

Nothing I hate more than douchebags who join your EM game on HON just to say how gay EM is and then quit.

They really should have left it as SM/Short Mode.. calling it "Easy Mode" just reeks of internet wannabe-badassery.

Nice rant but it doesn't change the fact that last hitting is a non-factor, along with playing the rune game. By the time you leave your lane to check for a rune, you've lost so much experience that it's not worth it. Early game doesn't really exist since people level so fast, forcing you to pick a strong late game hero to be effective in any way. Easy mode is where stupid builds like basher Anti-Mage came from.

rangoth · 07-02-2009, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by possible

Nice rant but it doesn't change the fact that last hitting is a non-factor, along with playing the rune game. By the time you leave your lane to check for a rune, you've lost so much experience that it's not worth it. Early game doesn't really exist since people level so fast, forcing you to pick a strong late game hero to be effective in any way. Easy mode is where stupid builds like basher Anti-Mage came from.

You really are a bit fucking slow arn't you?

Please explain to me exactly how last hitting is no longer a non-factor? I still get MORE money. I still deny XP....I don't get your point at all.

You don't like EM, fine, don't play it. But stop tricking yourself into thinking killing creeps all of a sudden becomes stupid.

Zarcath · 07-02-2009, 02:45 PM

Using the gold glove came from EM too I think

Goltana_R-Zek · 07-02-2009, 02:49 PM

Nm, figured out my problem =)

possible · 07-02-2009, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rangoth

You really are a bit fucking slow arn't you?

Please explain to me exactly how last hitting is no longer a non-factor? I still get MORE money. I still deny XP....I don't get your point at all.

You don't like EM, fine, don't play it. But stop tricking yourself into thinking killing creeps all of a sudden becomes stupid.

It makes a tiny difference in em... you have no strats in em other than an item build, leaving your lane at any point sets you back so far. I think you don't get it. I've seen you in pubs on HoN and you're bad.

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Originally Posted by Zarcath

Using the gold glove came from EM too I think

Not sure on that, I've seen real games with Midas builds.

Pinchandroll · 07-02-2009, 03:05 PM

If anything, Midas helps a lot more in non-EM games because gold takes so much longer to accumulate and last-hitting matters so much more. The long cooldown means that the benefits in -em are pretty minimal, while an early midas on a carry hero in a competitive game can give him a huge farming edge.

I still rarely buy midas, and never play -em, and I wish that mode didn't exist.

Murr · 07-02-2009, 03:14 PM

This is what I don't get. If you don't like it, don't play it, but don't bitch about it everywhere you go.. it's more fun for some people, get the fuck over it.

Feduke · 07-02-2009, 03:57 PM

Anyone having issues with the in-game voice chat? Whenever i hold down push to talk, it usually takes a few seconds to kick in and then proceeds to sporadically cut on and off making it nearly impossible to communicate.

Fog · 07-02-2009, 03:59 PM

EM is not very balanced and I don't think it's much fun, but there's plenty of non-EM games (even pub ones) so I don't see the problem.

My faggy EM-only strategy of choice is farming straight to Radiance with Terrorblade, and then taking the usual (Skadi, etc) -- I've had Radiance plus Skadi in about 20 or 25 minutes before. I don't think I've ever lost a pub EM game doing that, after perhaps ten games. You can't possibly sit and farm that long in a normal game barring unique circumstances or really poor-quality opponents.

rangoth · 07-02-2009, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by possible

It makes a tiny difference in em... you have no strats in em other than an item build, leaving your lane at any point sets you back so far. I think you don't get it. I've seen you in pubs on HoN and you're bad.

Im sure you have and Im sure I am. Good input.

Pinchandroll · 07-02-2009, 06:41 PM

The reason I wish -em didn't exist is that it detracts from the skill of the general playerbase. If a player is used to sitting in lane and getting to level 20 with high tier items regardless of ganks and last hitting, he is going to get wrecked when he tries a non-em game. As a result, if you end up with a player like that on your team, he's going to feed and basically ruin the game. On the other hand, if -em wasn't available, that player is forced to develop a playstyle that fits non-em. This isn't an issue if the player exclusively stays in -em games, but very frequently players think they are good on -em and decide to give non-em a try and end up ruining games. (Obviously, there are plenty of good players who play -em, I'm just saying that in general, a lot of bad habits develop in -em and carry over to non-em games)

Additionally, and more importantly, there are tons of players who COULD be great non-em players, but never give it a try. I know when I started playing dota, I randomly joined a game and it happened to be -sm. People in the game told me -sm was the "best" mode and I believed them after I joined an -ap and got owned. I played exclusively -sm for months before I finally tried non-em again, and it took another month or two before I became good at non-em. I was annoyed that it took me months to realize that dota is balanced for non-em, and therefore I wasn't playing the "real" dota. I'm sure many other people have been in my position, and due to the popularity of -em in pub games, I'm sure many people who would prefer "real" dota aren't even aware what they're missing.

In the end, the game is balanced for non-em, and that's how it should be played, IMO.

07-02-2009, 12:18 PM	#92 (permalink)
Zarcath is a little tea pot. Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Carlsbad CA Posts: 6,465 +75 Internets	out of invites __________________ Last edited by Zarcath; 07-02-2009 at 09:43 PM..

07-02-2009, 02:10 PM	#94 (permalink)
Murr Token Gnome Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,089 +17 Internets	Don't hate on -EM fags, I'm a perfectly good DOTA player but I loved -arem and -apem games on BNet. It's just a lot more fun to pop in and play a specific hero/item build sometimes than a protracted 5 man roaming gankfest that normal mode games often devolve into. Plus if you have a bad game it's over in 20-30 minutes instead of an hour. Nothing I hate more than douchebags who join your EM game on HON just to say how gay EM is and then quit. They really should have left it as SM/Short Mode.. calling it "Easy Mode" just reeks of internet wannabe-badassery. __________________ rogue \| mage

07-02-2009, 02:45 PM	#97 (permalink)
Zarcath is a little tea pot. Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Carlsbad CA Posts: 6,465 +75 Internets	Using the gold glove came from EM too I think __________________

07-02-2009, 02:49 PM	#98 (permalink)
Goltana_R-Zek Voyager Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,304	Nm, figured out my problem =) __________________

07-02-2009, 03:14 PM	#101 (permalink)
Murr Token Gnome Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 2,089 +17 Internets	This is what I don't get. If you don't like it, don't play it, but don't bitch about it everywhere you go.. it's more fun for some people, get the fuck over it. __________________ rogue \| mage

07-02-2009, 11:26 AM	#91 (permalink)
Inconsiderable the princess approves Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,489 +0 Internets	okay. everyone who send me a PM got a key by now :] Sadly some people are on holidays so I am also out of keys. No more PMs pls

07-02-2009, 12:30 PM	#93 (permalink)
Hooby Registered User Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 507 -2 Internets	All out o.o, Aztlan, next time PM your email address, can't invite you without it xD

07-02-2009, 03:05 PM	#100 (permalink)
Pinchandroll Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 204 +4 Internets	If anything, Midas helps a lot more in non-EM games because gold takes so much longer to accumulate and last-hitting matters so much more. The long cooldown means that the benefits in -em are pretty minimal, while an early midas on a carry hero in a competitive game can give him a huge farming edge. I still rarely buy midas, and never play -em, and I wish that mode didn't exist.

07-02-2009, 03:57 PM	#102 (permalink)
Feduke Registered User Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Syracuse Posts: 390	Anyone having issues with the in-game voice chat? Whenever i hold down push to talk, it usually takes a few seconds to kick in and then proceeds to sporadically cut on and off making it nearly impossible to communicate.

07-02-2009, 03:59 PM	#103 (permalink)
Fog Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 1,971 -1 Internets	EM is not very balanced and I don't think it's much fun, but there's plenty of non-EM games (even pub ones) so I don't see the problem. My faggy EM-only strategy of choice is farming straight to Radiance with Terrorblade, and then taking the usual (Skadi, etc) -- I've had Radiance plus Skadi in about 20 or 25 minutes before. I don't think I've ever lost a pub EM game doing that, after perhaps ten games. You can't possibly sit and farm that long in a normal game barring unique circumstances or really poor-quality opponents. Last edited by Fog; 07-02-2009 at 04:02 PM..

07-02-2009, 06:41 PM	#105 (permalink)
Pinchandroll Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 204 +4 Internets	The reason I wish -em didn't exist is that it detracts from the skill of the general playerbase. If a player is used to sitting in lane and getting to level 20 with high tier items regardless of ganks and last hitting, he is going to get wrecked when he tries a non-em game. As a result, if you end up with a player like that on your team, he's going to feed and basically ruin the game. On the other hand, if -em wasn't available, that player is forced to develop a playstyle that fits non-em. This isn't an issue if the player exclusively stays in -em games, but very frequently players think they are good on -em and decide to give non-em a try and end up ruining games. (Obviously, there are plenty of good players who play -em, I'm just saying that in general, a lot of bad habits develop in -em and carry over to non-em games) Additionally, and more importantly, there are tons of players who COULD be great non-em players, but never give it a try. I know when I started playing dota, I randomly joined a game and it happened to be -sm. People in the game told me -sm was the "best" mode and I believed them after I joined an -ap and got owned. I played exclusively -sm for months before I finally tried non-em again, and it took another month or two before I became good at non-em. I was annoyed that it took me months to realize that dota is balanced for non-em, and therefore I wasn't playing the "real" dota. I'm sure many other people have been in my position, and due to the popularity of -em in pub games, I'm sure many people who would prefer "real" dota aren't even aware what they're missing. In the end, the game is balanced for non-em, and that's how it should be played, IMO.

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