Heroes of Newerth - Page 165

wild_whiskey · 11-04-2009, 07:20 PM

And it's probably photoshopped.

Pizoi · 11-04-2009, 08:20 PM

It's not photoshopped, you can check it yourself. That screenshot was taken before they fixed the numbers getting chopped off in the stat screen, the real kills on the Hellbourne side are 4, 10, 13, 15, 9.

And no, I wasn't involved in that game at all, I just saw it on the HoN forums and cringed at the absolute ass raping that Soulstealer would have been able to pull off with those items.

Necrolyte · 11-04-2009, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Chaotic

I find it insulting that you would call me a passive player perrito =(

I would say i'm probably the most aggressive player that I know. Problem is, and you touched on this - is alot of games it's like pulling teeth to get people to do anything with me. I always, ALWAYS call for lane pushes or ganks or forest roams, to put wards up to move together here etc.

What comes into play here is this, and you also touched on it, and i'll tell you my personal view:

Your carry should be farming all game unless needed for a team fight or specifically landing a kill (ie: ganking) What I do is trend towards carrys with high mobility (scout, disciple, magebane come into play here off the top of my head) that way I can farm and still meet people wherever without hindering my team. A carry that is standing around for two minutes waiting for a push that might not come is not going to win the game. If nothing is happening, i'm moving towards the nearest creep wave or neut.

If you put me with the people I know and actually play games with, the afforementioned problems don't occur (what perrito had said) effectively, what most foh games are pubs with a shared tag. I'm getting to know people better and play with more people the same and pick up on their style, so this is slowly changing. You can rest assured perrito and reapyr will bitch every single fucking game no matter what is going on, and we are going to lose etc, but they will get shit done= P You can rest assured ninjarr is coming into your forest to look for you, so ward that bitch up. etc.

It's all strategy, Perrito, you should know that. Don't call me passive! Also, if i'm not specifically going mid, I always try to set up functioning lanes, and this is indeed one of the most important things. You cannot allow a free farm or you head into the gank phase at a huge disadvantage.

When I think of passive/aggressive I usually think of the lane phase only. Every single person in FoH almost is extremely passive in the lane game and gets pushed around a lot by skilled players.

Being able to dominate the lane phase is the #1 thing you can do to help win games. Even though it's a team game, there is very little a team can do if they lose 2 out of 3 lanes and go 0-10 in the first 10 minutes. This ties into what you guys are talking about when choosing lanes and pairing appropriate heroes together. You can choose 5 perfect heroes that are "great because of X,Y,Z" but if they can't win the lanes they are in due to hero-choice or player skill, your team has no chance of winning anyways.

wild_whiskey · 11-04-2009, 10:49 PM

My latest favorite is building Sand Wraith with mjollnir, blademail and heart. I got a full-team annihilation, 1v5.

Ninajrr · 11-04-2009, 10:51 PM

yay for 15k gold builds lulz

Chaotic · 11-04-2009, 11:00 PM

sand wraith you just have to bide your time. I like black legion into abysall skull into nullfire into mock. You don't have alot of killing potential early game, but your skills still make you a good team carry (plus you bring the lifesteal to the table) and you really shouldn't be dying at all - and slowly but surely you build yourself up. Sand wraith is probably the single most late game of all the carries. Scout is up there too because his disable becomes more and more powerful as your enemies become the same.

PerritoBites · 11-05-2009, 05:06 AM

My sand wraith is build a little different. Depends on the game, but if I can I start right off on nullfire for extra ganking/chasing capabilities. Then I go right off to build the hero for +hp. I don't get barbed armor because he already have an ability that is supperior to that one, since it is AoE dmg. All you need is HP and let dissipate handle the rest. Geomancer's bane is good too... and dissipate also works on your images!

The thing with carries that not a lot of people think about is how to take advantage of a carry in a game. Any hero in the game (even int) can be a carry if you get the right items for it. I played a team the other day that was carrying with ophelia (OPHELIA FOR FUCKS SAKES!). But what earns a carry its carry title before the game even starts? Scalable abilities. What are scalable abilities? +% dmg (based on dmg), procs (based on attack speed), return dmg (based on % dmg taken, hence HP), etc. So in order to build a carry hero you need to focus on the right stats. If you play a carry that has awesome attack speed and you focus on getting attack speed, you are wasting your scalability. Get items like nullfire, chain lightning, bash, etc that takes advantage of that!

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Mock is an interesting item. It does help a lot in battles, but you should only get it if you have been farming a lot. Helps you farm further and helps a bit on certain battles. It isnt particularily good for sandwraith because it doesnt stack. YEah it is good for team battles, and chasing... which is still a viable item build. I just believe there are better items that will help the hero in the end game.

Blumpster · 11-05-2009, 06:09 AM

Nullfire + Geo for Wraith. Try to get an illusion rune bottled too. 9 images is pretty dope, all burning mana, and like 2 AE spells by them and their entire team implodes.

wild_whiskey · 11-05-2009, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Ninajrr

yay for 15k gold builds lulz

Well it was a really long game. My team had a Soulstealer and and another high DPSer (I think Hammerstorm) that was doing enough dmg without my help, so I went pure tank. The main reason being that I was against a puppet and a dark lady, so when they came in on me, it was goodnight in 2-3 seconds from them killing themselves on dispersion + blademail + mjollnir kickback. And they had no choice but to attack since i was pushing solo... fun stuff.

Chaotic · 11-05-2009, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Blumpster

Nullfire + Geo for Wraith. Try to get an illusion rune bottled too. 9 images is pretty dope, all burning mana, and like 2 AE spells by them and their entire team implodes.

Wait, if I geo before i Ult as sand wraith i'll get 3 images on each enemy hero?

Valos · 11-05-2009, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Chaotic

Wait, if I geo before i Ult as sand wraith i'll get 3 images on each enemy hero?

5 images from the enemy heroes, 2 from bottle, 2 from geo.

Junun · 11-05-2009, 10:48 AM

Will suck dick for beta invite!!!!

Seo · 11-05-2009, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Junun

Will suck dick for beta invite!!!!

i got one left pm me.

PerritoBites · 11-05-2009, 03:37 PM

Sabolin · 11-05-2009, 03:45 PM

I assume that is a YouTube video Perrito?? It shows up as a white box to me, anyone else having trouble with YouTube embeds today?

11-04-2009, 11:00 PM	#2466 (permalink)
Chaotic You are not damn right Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 2,076	sand wraith you just have to bide your time. I like black legion into abysall skull into nullfire into mock. You don't have alot of killing potential early game, but your skills still make you a good team carry (plus you bring the lifesteal to the table) and you really shouldn't be dying at all - and slowly but surely you build yourself up. Sand wraith is probably the single most late game of all the carries. Scout is up there too because his disable becomes more and more powerful as your enemies become the same. __________________ Join FoH in eRepublik - Japan - Chaotic1 - PM for assistance Pitiless - Orc Death Knight - Magtheridon (WoW) Kaevros - Orc Hunter - Magtheridon (WoW) Rhllor - Orc Warlock - Rivendare (WoW) Marked - Stygian Herald of Xotli - Deathwhisper (AoC) Panic - Lesser Giant Dread Knight - Flamehammer (Vanguard) retired Visvires - Dark Elf Shadow Knight - Drinal (Everquest) retired

11-05-2009, 05:06 AM	#2467 (permalink)
PerritoBites （￣ー￣） Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PR, UY, ROC Posts: 2,511 -20 Internets	My sand wraith is build a little different. Depends on the game, but if I can I start right off on nullfire for extra ganking/chasing capabilities. Then I go right off to build the hero for +hp. I don't get barbed armor because he already have an ability that is supperior to that one, since it is AoE dmg. All you need is HP and let dissipate handle the rest. Geomancer's bane is good too... and dissipate also works on your images! The thing with carries that not a lot of people think about is how to take advantage of a carry in a game. Any hero in the game (even int) can be a carry if you get the right items for it. I played a team the other day that was carrying with ophelia (OPHELIA FOR FUCKS SAKES!). But what earns a carry its carry title before the game even starts? Scalable abilities. What are scalable abilities? +% dmg (based on dmg), procs (based on attack speed), return dmg (based on % dmg taken, hence HP), etc. So in order to build a carry hero you need to focus on the right stats. If you play a carry that has awesome attack speed and you focus on getting attack speed, you are wasting your scalability. Get items like nullfire, chain lightning, bash, etc that takes advantage of that! ----------- Mock is an interesting item. It does help a lot in battles, but you should only get it if you have been farming a lot. Helps you farm further and helps a bit on certain battles. It isnt particularily good for sandwraith because it doesnt stack. YEah it is good for team battles, and chasing... which is still a viable item build. I just believe there are better items that will help the hero in the end game. Last edited by PerritoBites; 11-05-2009 at 05:10 AM..

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11-04-2009, 07:20 PM	#2461 (permalink)
wild_whiskey Garrulous Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Japan Posts: 2,043 +5 Internets	And it's probably photoshopped.

11-04-2009, 08:20 PM	#2462 (permalink)
Pizoi Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 642	It's not photoshopped, you can check it yourself. That screenshot was taken before they fixed the numbers getting chopped off in the stat screen, the real kills on the Hellbourne side are 4, 10, 13, 15, 9. And no, I wasn't involved in that game at all, I just saw it on the HoN forums and cringed at the absolute ass raping that Soulstealer would have been able to pull off with those items.

11-04-2009, 10:49 PM	#2464 (permalink)
wild_whiskey Garrulous Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Japan Posts: 2,043 +5 Internets	My latest favorite is building Sand Wraith with mjollnir, blademail and heart. I got a full-team annihilation, 1v5.

11-04-2009, 10:51 PM	#2465 (permalink)
Ninajrr meant to type ninjarr Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: CA Posts: 1,722 -12 Internets	yay for 15k gold builds lulz

11-05-2009, 06:09 AM	#2468 (permalink)
Blumpster . Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Washington Posts: 2,310 +13 Internets	Nullfire + Geo for Wraith. Try to get an illusion rune bottled too. 9 images is pretty dope, all burning mana, and like 2 AE spells by them and their entire team implodes.

11-05-2009, 03:37 PM	#2474 (permalink)
PerritoBites （￣ー￣） Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: PR, UY, ROC Posts: 2,511 -20 Internets

11-05-2009, 03:45 PM	#2475 (permalink)
Sabolin Registered User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 523 -4 Internets	I assume that is a YouTube video Perrito?? It shows up as a white box to me, anyone else having trouble with YouTube embeds today?