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Darus Grey · 11-03-2009, 02:29 PM

Hope that means Arcade version of Seth...playable Seth is borderline worst character.

Needless · 11-03-2009, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv

Dude was a 60,000 Rose as his main. Dude was good with her. Plus i didnt know her tactics. I did win the 2nd time when facing him 2-0. I also play one of the hardest characters in the game with Gen.

I think you should play purple pants sagat. You will never lose again. Purple pants sagat + Taunt is a glitched 1 hit knockout.

The Dauntless One · 11-03-2009, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Darus Grey

Hope that means Arcade version of Seth...playable Seth is borderline worst character.

It's funny because some people speculated that Seth is going to be broken on home console version.

kcxiv · 11-03-2009, 04:35 PM

So i bought SFIV on the 360. Well got it on Ebay for 20 bucks. Waiting for it to come in.

WHat i want to know is how good are the default sticks and buttons on the tournament edition madcatz sticks? Trying to find some opinions of the sticks. I dont want to make another fucking board. They are cheaper, but alot more work.

Darus Grey · 11-03-2009, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kcxiv

So i bought SFIV on the 360. Well got it on Ebay for 20 bucks. Waiting for it to come in.

WHat i want to know is how good are the default sticks and buttons on the tournament edition madcatz sticks? Trying to find some opinions of the sticks. I dont want to make another fucking board. They are cheaper, but alot more work.

The buttons/stick in the *tournament* edition are same ones you'd get from any good custom stick. Sanwa OBSF30 Buttons/JLF Stick.

It's the PCB in them that blows, the 360 version in particular is plagued with issues on RT.

Also what do you mean "don't want to make another board?" If you mean case for another stick, you can buy really nice premade ones for $25-$40 from QCFgaming.

Generally speaking, if you're looking at spending $100+ for a second stick just for 360, you're better off dual modding/paying someone to dualmod your current stick.

kcxiv · 11-03-2009, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Darus Grey

The buttons/stick in the *tournament* edition are same ones you'd get from any good custom stick. Sanwa OBSF30 Buttons/JLF Stick.

It's the PCB in them that blows, the 360 version in particular is plagued with issues on RT.

Also what do you mean "don't want to make another board?" If you mean case for another stick, you can buy really nice premade ones for $25-$40 from QCFgaming.

Generally speaking, if you're looking at spending $100+ for a second stick just for 360, you're better off dual modding/paying someone to dualmod your current stick.

Well, i bought the TE stick. Amazon says it will get here on the 9th or so. I wanted to try the sanwa buttons. If i like it, i am going to try to see if i can dual mod the TE stick.

I also have a wired 360 controller if it gets down to me needing a board.

I am thinking for me its a good investment either way. I play SFIV alot still and when SS hits i am sure it will continue. I just love playing.

Needless · 11-03-2009, 10:29 PM

TE stick rocks. Mine has taken a shit kicking and still functions very well.

Alexzandra · 11-04-2009, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Darus Grey

Hope that means Arcade version of Seth...playable Seth is borderline worst character.

To who? Seth is generally considered a solid mid or high mid tier character.

Darus Grey · 11-04-2009, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Alexzandra

To who? Seth is generally considered a solid mid or high mid tier character.

To anyone who ever had the misfortune of maining Seth, tier lists are generally contemplated on the notion of "perfection", i.e. how does a character perform in the hands of the best of the best. Which is completely misleading for Seth, because well he is in theory, the best character, in that he has the largest array of tools for every situation; there is no one who can play him on this theoretical level, nor will there ever be.

All Seth's tools doesn't change that he dies in 1-2 hits, this is why he's the worst character; because *no one* can consistently play a perfect game where they never get hit, and that is what is required for Seth to be good.

Most everyone who mained Seth in serious competition(except Josh Ballard), dumped him because actually playing Seth makes it plain as day that he's an unviable character.

Dr.Knockers · 11-04-2009, 09:46 AM

Tier lists are far from gauging by "perfection" at this point. The game is still relatively new. Right now, there are people who play Seth well enough to show the rest of the world that he is a mid-tier character, just like Alex said.

Most likely, he will never be the best character. And just like you said, his low health more than evens out his impressive set of tools. Still though, that doesn't mean he is the "borderline worst character".

Darus Grey · 11-04-2009, 10:05 AM

I have to respectfully disagree, there is not a single player out there who can play Seth and get consistent victory using him. I invested 8 months/thousands of hours into him, and those of us who play him agree, he's a gamble that is not worth the risk. I'm a low-tier whore in fighting games, I love playing the worst characters and getting good with them, but I had to give it up.

A character who has *no margin of error* is simply unviable. Look at any competition match and see how many times each player gets a hit in on the other...around 4-5 for the victor. It only takes 1-2 against Seth, weighed towards 1.

The other major issue is that on top of having the lowest health/taking the most damage, Seth *does* some of the worst damage.

You need to get in on your opponent 8-10 times to win, especially at distance. His strong game is up close mixup, which if it lands...great, you stun them. Most of the time though they get a lucky guess and woops, there goes 80%(or more) of your life.

Seth is a character you have to play to understand why he's so terrible, cause I agree that he seems OK on paper.

Needless · 11-04-2009, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Darus Grey

over exaggerating

No. I've played 1 or 2 people that are simply fucking amazing with seth, one of which I've recently found out will be at a local tournament here this weekend. I plan on attending to get my shit pushed in by him

Darus Grey · 11-04-2009, 01:34 PM

Fact that Arturo, Josh, the "amazing Seths you know" or maybe me on a good day can go to a local tourney and steam roll it with Seth is a reflection of the skill of everyone else, not the viability of Seth.

Since Seth is such a rare character he has the rarity edge a lot of times in his favor, as any Seth main can tell you, when you're playing people who actually know how to play against him, it's incredibly against you. They'll turtle the whole match knowing they only need to get in once to win, where as you have to actively avoid them.

Arturo gave up Seth for the same reasons I did in the end, at the high level of play, he's bottom tier, and as I said, the tier lists don't reflect that.

Blank · 11-04-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Darus Grey

Arturo gave up Seth for the same reasons I did in the end, at the high level of play, he's bottom tier, and as I said, the tier lists don't reflect that.

Arturo used Seth (and some Dhalsim) in last weeks battlefield arcadia #7. He ended up losing in the finals against J Wong's Fei Long.

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Arturo's seth vrs Rico's Abel:

Rico Suave (Abel) vs Arturo (Seth)

(EDIT #2)

I wouldn't say Seth is high tier, but to call him low tier is pretty silly. There are easily some characters who are FAR worse off than Seth. Vega, Dan, SAkura, Gouken, and Rose instantly come to mind.

Needless · 11-04-2009, 04:32 PM

In other news.

SSFIV Gets bonus stages again OMG, bring on the motherfucking CAR BEATING.

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kcxiv Sim Join Date: May 2002 Location: Central Valley, Cali Posts: 4,160 -1 Internets	So i bought SFIV on the 360. Well got it on Ebay for 20 bucks. Waiting for it to come in. WHat i want to know is how good are the default sticks and buttons on the tournament edition madcatz sticks? Trying to find some opinions of the sticks. I dont want to make another fucking board. They are cheaper, but alot more work. __________________ Kcxiv

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Needless loves internets! Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2,640	TE stick rocks. Mine has taken a shit kicking and still functions very well. __________________ XBL: Ouchparcel PSN: visualnothing

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11-03-2009, 02:29 PM	#3316 (permalink)
Darus Grey I can dance if I want to Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,839	Hope that means Arcade version of Seth...playable Seth is borderline worst character.

11-04-2009, 09:46 AM	#3325 (permalink)
Dr.Knockers Yossarian!!(?)! Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 168 +3 Internets	Tier lists are far from gauging by "perfection" at this point. The game is still relatively new. Right now, there are people who play Seth well enough to show the rest of the world that he is a mid-tier character, just like Alex said. Most likely, he will never be the best character. And just like you said, his low health more than evens out his impressive set of tools. Still though, that doesn't mean he is the "borderline worst character".

11-04-2009, 10:05 AM	#3326 (permalink)
Darus Grey I can dance if I want to Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,839	I have to respectfully disagree, there is not a single player out there who can play Seth and get consistent victory using him. I invested 8 months/thousands of hours into him, and those of us who play him agree, he's a gamble that is not worth the risk. I'm a low-tier whore in fighting games, I love playing the worst characters and getting good with them, but I had to give it up. A character who has no margin of error is simply unviable. Look at any competition match and see how many times each player gets a hit in on the other...around 4-5 for the victor. It only takes 1-2 against Seth, weighed towards 1. The other major issue is that on top of having the lowest health/taking the most damage, Seth does some of the worst damage. You need to get in on your opponent 8-10 times to win, especially at distance. His strong game is up close mixup, which if it lands...great, you stun them. Most of the time though they get a lucky guess and woops, there goes 80%(or more) of your life. Seth is a character you have to play to understand why he's so terrible, cause I agree that he seems OK on paper.

11-04-2009, 01:34 PM	#3328 (permalink)
Darus Grey I can dance if I want to Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,839	Fact that Arturo, Josh, the "amazing Seths you know" or maybe me on a good day can go to a local tourney and steam roll it with Seth is a reflection of the skill of everyone else, not the viability of Seth. Since Seth is such a rare character he has the rarity edge a lot of times in his favor, as any Seth main can tell you, when you're playing people who actually know how to play against him, it's incredibly against you. They'll turtle the whole match knowing they only need to get in once to win, where as you have to actively avoid them. Arturo gave up Seth for the same reasons I did in the end, at the high level of play, he's bottom tier, and as I said, the tier lists don't reflect that.