Brütal Legend

[Sean]

5 hours is not a general consensus here. You are absolutely plowing through the game if you do it that fast.

Either way, 8~ hours does not mean it's not worth $60. Good luck getting 40+ hours out of any big title now a days that's not a huge JRPG. A quality short game is absolutely worth $60 (see: Batman).

Games like these should be purchased over shit like just another Call of Duty sequel or other shooter. Studios like Double Fine need to be supported. Renting doesn't give them a dime - also people on this forum tend to buy a good deal of games, fyi.

[Utnayan]

Originally Posted by Coren

Consensus? I only see one person across the entire internet saying 6 hours, with everyone else saying 8+ for the main campaign. Got any other links to this massive consensus of yours?

It takes about 5-6 doing only a few sidequests. If you want to get all the Legends and Dragon Statues and Landmarks, you'll be playing longer.

I finished it in 6 hours and that was doing a fair number of sidequests. The main game is really short, but the fun in the game is exploring the world and finding all the hidden stuff. There are some really neat places that you will never see if you just follow the main storyline.

IRQ posted:
If you don't do any of the side quests or explore at all I guess you could knock it out in 6 hours but why would you do that?


Because the sidequests are ridiculously repetitive.

I stated earlier that I beat it in about 5.5 hours, but again, that was on easy, and I did ONE sidequest the entire game.

I don't think i necessarily rushed through it, I still died a few times and dicked around in the world. I did a few side missions but there was nothing really present in those to hold my attention. If they were tied to the story somehow it might've been one thing but they were pretty subpar and uninteresting. I can see how doing the side missions would add an easy 5-6 hours of gameplay though. Just giving my two cents because the campaign really highlights the strengths of this game which are the presentation, RTS elements, and humor, while the sidequests/non-campaign stuff shows the faults in the game, specifically the repetition of sidequests and the non-RTS gameplay. Regardless, I still think a 5-6 hour main campaign is extremely short, even while rushing I don't think I've ever beaten a game that quickly this generation.

Having said that I'm still glad I bought this game and think people should support Double Fine, but at the same time I don't see why Brutal Legend is getting such good reviews from some game sites.

The game is relatively short....a few hours for the main mission, then the sidequests are mostly all repetitive except for the bat cave, beer delivery, and wingman. I enjoyed the races too. Exploration is kind of tedious too. All you're really doing is going around looking for all the songs to unlock, landmarks, and bound serpents. Most of the time is just driving around in the car and finding everything. I guess if you like looking at all the scenery, this can be fun. Its also quite annoying when you think you've found everything and just can't find what it is you're missing.

Brutal Legend is kind of inarguabley a flawed game. How much you enjoy it really is going to depend on how much you enjoy the world and exploring it, so I can see people really not enjoying it.

Wow, I was insanely let down by this game. Five hours for a campaign is disgusting, especially since all of the side-missions are mind numbingly boring I couldn't bear to play more than 3 in succession. I really wanted to love this game, but the story was underdeveloped and looking back on it not a lot really happened.

Brutal Legend: ENEMIES OF METAL, YOUR DEATH IS OUR REWARD - The Something Awful Forums

That's just one site. Let me know if you want to see others.

[Utnayan]

Originally Posted by Sean

Games like these should be purchased over shit like just another Call of Duty sequel or other shooter. Studios like Double Fine need to be supported. Renting doesn't give them a dime - also people on this forum tend to buy a good deal of games, fyi.

I agree that Double Fine needs to be supported.

I am just saying that the game is short. And the sidequests are retarded dull and don't add anything but fluff.

Yes, I would rather see more games like this too. Just not dropped and picked back up again twice in the row with development time getting all fubarred in the process.

If anything, I wish Double Fine would be their own publisher so they wouldn't have to put up with the funding cuts any more. It hurts their games.

Edit: I will probably buy it because I have a lot of expendable cash laying around. Even though I already beat it, and want to go through it a little slower and get the achievements and collect/unlock everything.

[Lost Ranger]

Even RPGs can be cut "short" by rushing the main quest. A friend of mine can beat FF:Tactics in 10-12 hours. I can easily put that into chapter 1. Side quests, unlockables and hidden shit are just part of the content for these games. If you skip over them and just go from main quest to main quest you really can't complain about something being too short. You chose to skip a large portion of the game.

That being said I do think Brutal Legends main story could of been longer. You can get a lot more then 5 hours out of the game but I would of preferred a 10ish hour main quest, and then all the side quests/unlockables. It has some replay value for me though. I really enjoy the stage battles, and I think they will be a blast in multiplayer.

[Araxen]

Ars reviews Brutal Legend: more opening band than headliner - Ars Technica

[Coren]

That's still a very small number of people compared to the number that say 8+ hours, hardly making it a "consensus across the entire internet".

[Dunkelheit_vz]

Originally Posted by Sean

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Either way, 8~ hours does not mean it's not worth $60. Good luck getting 40+ hours out of any big title now a days that's not a huge JRPG. A quality short game is absolutely worth $60 (see: Batman).

Games like these should be purchased over shit like just another Call of Duty sequel or other shooter. Studios like Double Fine need to be supported. Renting doesn't give them a dime - also people on this forum tend to buy a good deal of games, fyi.

Just so that you know where I am coming from:
I have 200+ PC titles, 1000+ DVDs and 3 shelves full of PS3 and Xbox360 games and I purchased all of them, all originals of course. I very rarely rent anything.

But I think that a game is only worth supporting, when it shines on every level. And the fact that todays gaming length has averaged to about 8-10 hours is thanks to everyone who is buying and "supporting" those games. If noone would give a full price for such a short game, the idea of 5-8 hours games would have been died 2 years ago. I remember that the 8 hours of Heavenly Sword were a shocker and now there is brutal legend which seems to be even shorter for some guys.

I realize that the producing of games has grown a lot since the early days and I welcome titles like Batman or Heavenly Sword that are close to 10$ per gaming hour, because they are just great entertainment. But not everyone can afford 60$ and buy a few games in months.

For a game to be worthy of an early and full price purchase (60$) it has to be 15 hours of entertainment, well done and not feel rushed and it should be a new concept (no EA oneFifaupgradeeveryyear-milking).
Brütal Legend might be an awesome game and lovely done, but I will wait till the price goes down. It is not worth 60$ for me, maybe it would be if Heavy Metal would be my thing. My opinion only comes from hearsay and might change once I played it.

Here are some games that are worthy of a full price purchase for me:

Dead Space (admittedly, my opinion on this one changed after the first playthrough)
Fallout 3
MUA 2 (ok, I am a complete marvel fanboy, now crush me)
Dawn of War II
Mass Effect

and already preordered:
Forza 3 (can't wait)
Dragon Age

[Sean]

The thing is, these 8 hour games are longer than the majority of games ever were. That 8 hours of actual content is quite a bit. Saying that only 15+ hour games are worth it is pretty much complete and utter bullshit.

I guess it's a good thing you weren't paying for your own games in the NES-SNES eras - 99% of those games were 1 hour, maybe 2 hours tops of actual content (and that's not doing speed runs). They didn't cost less than games do now either. Go up to the PS1 era and the majority weren't that much longer either.

8+ hours of the quality of content that's put out today is pretty fucking astounding looking back on each era of games and absolutely worth it.

[Occido]

So friend of mine played the main quest line only and finished it in 9 hours. That's without cutting the cut scenes short and not searching for relics or secrets.

I just finished it doing side quests and finding relics and secrets and put 17 hours into it and I didn't find everything. You can probably cut the game down to 7 hours if you by pass all dialog and cut scenes and go straight from main quest story to the next, stopping maybe to only upgrade your shit.

But start to finish in 5 hours? Nope..not possible. With cheats maybe...

[regret]

"My friend played"? That's some weak tea, sister. We'll need that claim notarized, in triplicate, before we accept any further evidence from you in this debate.

[Occido]

Originally Posted by regret

"My friend played"? That's some weak tea, sister. We'll need that claim notarized, in triplicate, before we accept any further evidence from you in this debate.

Why would I give you a name? and why would I give a flying fuck what you believed?.. over a game of all things..really?

If you want "evidence"...find out for yourself.. oh and it's not a debate, sister... if it's a debate you wanted, you lost before you even started typing.

[Utnayan]

Originally Posted by Sean

8+ hours of the quality of content that's put out today is pretty fucking astounding looking back on each era of games and absolutely worth it.

Problem is this isn't 8+ hours of content. It's 3-4 hours of quality content, 2 hours of "Boy this looks entirely rushed" followed by 2-3 hours of repetitive sidequests after of which completing 2 or more makes you have an urge to toss your dick in a blender.

I won't argue with you if you have a game with 8 solid hours of ORIGINAL non cut and paste content without any rushes to the end of a storyline with sidequests that are fun and original.

Dead Space (admittedly, my opinion on this one changed after the first playthrough)
Fallout 3
MUA 2 (ok, I am a complete marvel fanboy, now crush me)
Dawn of War II
Mass Effect

Ironically, Deadspace, Falloout 3, and Mass Effect were the ones I purchased as well. Although I traded in Dead Space for FO3 after I beat it. I still need to go through all the cool shit in Fallout 3.

I wonder just how much more money Schaefer would make if he would have pinned this down to $49.99 knowing it was short and word would get out. My guess is sales would have tripled. And the same thing goes for any game that is rushed out the door or caught between publishers and just had random shit added to it.

[Blank]

Originally Posted by Utnayan

I wonder just how much more money Schaefer would make if he would have pinned this down to $49.99 knowing it was short and word would get out. My guess is sales would have tripled.

Well at least you didn't call it an educated guess.

[Bodom]

I just picked this one up ignoring most of the complaints about game length and other flaws Iv been reading on here since yesterday mainly for one reason... Its a game about fuckin metal, cant really say no to that

Anyone know how long Schaffers other games were ?

[Utnayan]

Originally Posted by Blank

Well at least you didn't call it an educated guess.

I could have. Go look at Earth Defense Force for a source.