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chaos · 05-18-2007, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tabris

Because most of those 80 million people are people who have no interest in playing games like MGS or DMC or FF. They are video gaming newbies who are probably barely aware that their Wii can play games besides Wii Sports.

I seriously doubt that the majority of Wii owners are not gamers. Yes, the console has people outside the traditional "gamer" stereotype interested in purchasing it, but as far as who owns it today I would bet my ass the vast majority are gamers.

RiskyChris · 05-18-2007, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Sharmai

Ok will they get the same third party exclusives PS2 got? Probably not. Not as many at least but Nintendo will have more exclusives PERIOD simply because of the nature of seperation the console provides.

Cross platform games between the Wii and the X360 do not do well. Developers this generation are going to tailor their games specifically to the Wii, Specifically to the DS, and Specifically to the x360. All 3 of those systems will get a large amount of third and first party exclusive titles that may exceed PS2's own exclusives.

This is simply because making 1 game-fits-all syndrome of the past two years is just not going to work anymore.

(See Spiderman 3 for example.)

People also need to realize there's no such thing as a single encompassing demographic. There is no PS2 demographic -- the PS2 userbase was INCREDIBLY diverse, and to think that 50, 70, 100 million Wii owners will all have the same tastes is certainly ignorant.

Sharmai · 05-18-2007, 01:11 PM

Oh and Ubisoft CEO sees Sony's console lead weakening | Technology | Reuters

this along with exceptionaly abymsal sales of the PS3 in japan (near gamecube levels) is just pushing along the obvious. For those of you who still see the system coming out on top in 2-4 years you must have some serious faith.

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NEW YORK/LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Sony Corp. risks losing its iron grip on the game console market with its new PlayStation 3 and needs to significantly lower the price on its high-end machine to woo buyers, Ubisoft Entertainment's (UBIP.PA: Quote, Profile, Research chief executive said on Wednesday.

"For sure Sony will have a different market share ... lower than before," Yves Guillemot, president and chief executive of Europe's second-largest video games publisher, told the Reuters Global Technology, Media and Telecoms Summit in New York.

Guillemot expects the degree of the decline to be linked to pricing on the PS3. It sells for $600 in the United States, $200 more than the top-end Xbox 360 from Microsoft Corp. (MSFT.O: Quote, Profile, Research and $350 above Nintendo Co. Ltd.'s (7974.OS: Quote, Profile, Research Wii.
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"They have to decrease the price quite significantly," he said, declining to elaborate.

Sony's (6758.T: Quote, Profile, Research(SNE.N: Quote, Profile, Research 7-year-old PlayStation 2 sells for about $130 and has continued to rack up impressive sales figures versus its newer rivals. It was the leading console in the last generation with lifetime unit sales of 38 million in the United States alone.

Guillemot said Ubisoft plans to deliver an exclusive PS3 title in Europe but declined to reveal the name. Gamers have complained that there is not yet a must-have game available only on the PS3 and Sony has promised to deliver this year.

Ubisoft, known for its Tom Clancy games like "Splinter Cell," as well as its "Prince of Persia" title, has seen its fortunes rise on its early bet on the Wii.

Representatives from the Paris-based company worked closely with Nintendo developers to customize its games for the Wii's motion-sensing controller, which has become a relatively low-tech hit. Continued...

"The game play has to be the key factor. With very high-end machines, we tend to forget," he said.

Electronic Arts Inc. (ERTS.O: Quote, Profile, Research, the number-one game publisher in the $30 billion video game market, holds a stake of roughly 15 percent in Ubisoft.

Guillemot said he is ready to hear any proposals new EA CEO John Riccitiello may have regarding a merger, but reiterated the company's desire to control its destiny.

"The goal is to run the show as much as we can and do the best for our shareholders," he said.

Soygen · 05-18-2007, 01:13 PM

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Ubisoft CEO sees Sony's console lead weakening

It's like he is some kind of mystical prophet!!!

chaos · 05-18-2007, 01:14 PM

Not surprising, Ubisoft always had good support for the Gamecube as well.

Sharmai · 05-18-2007, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Also 80m is a lofty fucking number and many, many, many years out.

Hmm is 80 million so impossible? Is it even unlikely at this point?

Japan is soley owned by the Wii and DS. PS3 at 8k units a week and lowering. Xbox has no hope there period.

The Wii sold 300-400k april and they still. sold. out.

Honestly at this point Nintendo just cannot keep up with demand on any level and that is with Wii Sports being the flagship title thats driving all these sales.

In a few months when Metriod, Mario, SSB, and random sleeper hits start to fall....

This christmas season hits and the 250$ dream price console machine is still there....

I think the only way for Nintendo to not eventually hit that 80 million is if developers never release any games for the system. And to be honest with almost 7 million systems sold.. That just ain't realistic.

P.S. who else would like to see SPORE on the WII? (or 360?)

RiskyChris · 05-18-2007, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sharmai

P.S. who else would like to see SPORE on the WII? (or 360?)

OT, but I don't think anybody on this forum wants to play Spore on anything but PC, if they want to play it at all.

Sean · 05-18-2007, 01:57 PM

Spore on the Wii? Lol. Sorry, but the creator of the game flat out called the system an under-powered piece of shit - in a very public venue no less. Take that into account too - some devs don't want to make anything but next-gen graphic and physics games and the Wii doesn't have the power for it.

Anyways:

The Last Remnant, Star Ocean 4, Final Fantasy XIII

Vs.

Chocobo's Dungeon, Crystal Chronicles, Dragon Quest Swords

Thit is exactly the difference that you will see between the X360/PS3 and the Wii for games from most developers (with your rare oddities like the Killer-7 devs).

The stage is being set and the sales from this fall/holiday line up will further tell the tale.

Algol Devilstar · 05-18-2007, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Eomer

Halo3 will sell so many consoles, it will be ridiculous. Just wait for the sales to spike.

I am waiting for this title to buy a 360 and it's probably the only game I will own on it.

wild_whiskey · 05-18-2007, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Spore on the Wii? Lol. Sorry, but the creator of the game flat out called the system an under-powered piece of shit - in a very public venue no less. Take that into account too - some devs don't want to make anything but next-gen graphic and physics games and the Wii doesn't have the power for it.

Anyways:

The Last Remnant, Star Ocean 4, Final Fantasy XIII

Vs.

Chocobo's Dungeon, Crystal Chronicles, Dragon Quest Swords

Thit is exactly the difference that you will see between the X360/PS3 and the Wii for games from most developers (with your rare oddities like the Killer-7 devs).

The stage is being set and the sales from this fall/holiday line up will further tell the tale.

The Last Remnant, Star Ocean 4, Final Fantasy XIII

vs.

Metroid, Zelda, Mario

and there are more than just Killer 7-level games coming out. Day of Crisis is interesting and Project H.A.M.M.E.R. looks kinda cool too. I agree with you for the most part, just pointing out that comparing FFXIII with Crystal Chronicles as though those are the comparable offerings from the two systems is off-base at best.

RiskyChris · 05-18-2007, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Spore on the Wii? Lol. Sorry, but the creator of the game flat out called the system an under-powered piece of shit - in a very public venue no less. Take that into account too - some devs don't want to make anything but next-gen graphic and physics games and the Wii doesn't have the power for it.

Anyways:

The Last Remnant, Star Ocean 4, Final Fantasy XIII

Vs.

Chocobo's Dungeon, Crystal Chronicles, Dragon Quest Swords

Thit is exactly the difference that you will see between the X360/PS3 and the Wii for games from most developers (with your rare oddities like the Killer-7 devs).

The stage is being set and the sales from this fall/holiday line up will further tell the tale.

I'm sorry, but titles announced in the infancy of a soon-to-be dominating console do not represent what the true library will be. You can't compare every developer to SE -- the guys there are crazy and have publicly stated they do not want a Sony-like market leader (i.e. high marketshare).

I wouldn't put it past SE to not develop anything of substance for Wii based on their statements. That doesn't reflect developers who do want to capitalize on Wii, however.

Edit: I can play that game too. Call of Duty 2, 3 4? Is this what 360 is going to be, nothing but yearly sequels? The stage is set and this holiday we will see the 360's tedium being carved in stone.

Sharmai · 05-18-2007, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

The stage is being set and the sales from this fall/holiday line up will further tell the tale.

People said the same thing about the PS3... need we go into detail about how that turned out?

Sean · 05-18-2007, 02:15 PM

Most developers will attempt to capitalize on both systems in exactly that manner due to the different demographics.

Wii Sports Vs. Grand Theft Auto.

whiskey - I used the Square Vs. Square games on purpose. Unfortunately you did not understand it.

Sharmai - who said that about the PS3? The PS3's library has been absolute shit. The X360's line up this coming fall/holiday season on the other hand is undeniably absolutely devastating.

Sithro · 05-18-2007, 02:24 PM

Can't wait, numbers are going to be crazy on everything when Halo 3, Brawl, and FFXIII drop.

RiskyChris · 05-18-2007, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Most developers will attempt to capitalize on both systems in exactly that manner due to the different demographics.

Wii Sports Vs. Grand Theft Auto.

whiskey - I used the Square Vs. Square games on purpose. Unfortunately you did not understand it.

Sharmai - who said that about the PS3? The PS3's library has been absolute shit. The X360's line up this coming fall/holiday season on the other hand is undeniably absolutely devastating.

I don't get it. There are a lot of demographics that will make up the userbase for Wii, why will a game like GTA not be suitable for it?

By the by, let me say that a GTA game of some sorts will be announced for Wii within a year. Maybe not too soon to let GTA4 shine.

05-18-2007, 01:57 PM	#68 (permalink)
Sean <Team Ice> Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Washington Posts: 5,987	Spore on the Wii? Lol. Sorry, but the creator of the game flat out called the system an under-powered piece of shit - in a very public venue no less. Take that into account too - some devs don't want to make anything but next-gen graphic and physics games and the Wii doesn't have the power for it. Anyways: The Last Remnant, Star Ocean 4, Final Fantasy XIII Vs. Chocobo's Dungeon, Crystal Chronicles, Dragon Quest Swords Thit is exactly the difference that you will see between the X360/PS3 and the Wii for games from most developers (with your rare oddities like the Killer-7 devs). The stage is being set and the sales from this fall/holiday line up will further tell the tale. __________________

05-18-2007, 02:15 PM	#73 (permalink)
Sean <Team Ice> Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Washington Posts: 5,987	Most developers will attempt to capitalize on both systems in exactly that manner due to the different demographics. Wii Sports Vs. Grand Theft Auto. whiskey - I used the Square Vs. Square games on purpose. Unfortunately you did not understand it. Sharmai - who said that about the PS3? The PS3's library has been absolute shit. The X360's line up this coming fall/holiday season on the other hand is undeniably absolutely devastating. __________________

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chaos Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: NoVa Posts: 7,162 +29 Internets	Not surprising, Ubisoft always had good support for the Gamecube as well.