US April Hardware Sales, NPD

[RiskyChris]

Originally Posted by Wizerud

I'm not sure there are really that many people forcing themselves to choose between a Wii and a PS3 so I'm not sure how well the Wii is doing is relevant. As a prospective PS3 buyer in the future I don't give a shit what the Wii is doing.

The PS3 will never drop to $300 for at least another three or four years. Getting it below $500 would be a big step, getting it down to $400 (unlikely) would be ideal. If people were willing to pay $400 six years ago they'll do it now. Personally I think they'll split the difference and try and go for $449 by Xmas.

Why not, the two consoles are indeed competitors. If PS3 had the software lineup the Wii had at a competitive price ($400 or less), it'd be doing much better while the Wii would be doing much worse. People had to choose between PS2 and GC, why should things change this generation?

[Kildace]

Originally Posted by RiskyChris

Why not, the two consoles are indeed competitors. If PS3 had the software lineup the Wii had at a competitive price ($400 or less), it'd be doing much better while the Wii would be doing much worse. People had to choose between PS2 and GC, why should things change this generation?

If the Wii and PS3 were competitors, it would mean that the Wii wouldn't have sold as well as it has if the PS3 had sold well, and I don't think that it would have been the case.

[RiskyChris]

Originally Posted by Kildace

If the Wii and PS3 were competitors, it would mean that the Wii wouldn't have sold as well as it has if the PS3 had sold well, and I don't think that it would have been the case.

No that's not the proper way of looking at it. Demand for Wii absolutely would have been lessened if the PS3 was a more attractive option. What we don't know right now is the extent of Wii's demand, as it STILL outstrips supply.

[Wizerud]

Buying a console isn't like buying a microwave. Just because you already have one there's nothing to stop you from buying another. Especially as there is going to be a big difference between game selection between the two consoles. I've known plenty of people who have owned multiple consoles of the same generation. If only the same games were released on both consoles, then maybe. But there's too many games exclusive to one console. And consoles are affordable enough that a lot of people will buy both if they both have a great selection of games.

[Kildace]

Originally Posted by RiskyChris

No that's not the proper way of looking at it. Demand for Wii absolutely would have been lessened if the PS3 was a more attractive option. What we don't know right now is the extent of Wii's demand, as it STILL outstrips supply.

No. People with 800$ to spend on the PS3 would have bought both. I have a Wii and a 360, they're completely different kinds of consoles.
A PS3 in good shape would have hurt 360 sales a lot, but it wouldn't have dented the wii because they're not competitors.

Wii demographic = Adults who would never have bought a PS3 and "gamers" who would buy both the Wii and the PS3 if the PS3 had a solid selection of games.

[RiskyChris]

Originally Posted by Kildace

No. People with 800$ to spend on the PS3 would have bought both. I have a Wii and a 360, they're completely different kinds of consoles.
A PS3 in good shape would have hurt 360 sales a lot, but it wouldn't have dented the wii because they're not competitors.

Oh my god people, they're both consoles to provide entertainment. If a theoretical person has $1000 to spend on entertainment for a given period of time, purchasing a $600 console leaves $400 left to spend. A person is unquestionably less likely to buy a Wii at $400 reserves vs $1000.

It's basic fucking economics.

[Soygen]

Originally Posted by Wizerud

IIf people were willing to pay $400 six years ago they'll do it now. Personally I think they'll split the difference and try and go for $449 by Xmas.

People weren't willing to pay 400 dollars 6 years ago. The PS2 was 300 when it released. The same as PS1. Kind of funny(sucks) that Sony kept the PS2 the same as the PS1, but the PS3 doubled in price.

[Kildace]

Originally Posted by RiskyChris

Oh my god people, they're both consoles to provide entertainment. If a theoretical person has $1000 to spend on entertainment for a given period of time, purchasing a $600 console leaves $400 left to spend. A person is unquestionably less likely to buy a Wii at $400 reserves vs $1000.

It's basic fucking economics.

But people who are ready to spend $800 on a console will definitely spend $250 more for the Wii for when they have people over. At its price, the PS3 buyers obviously aren't on a budget, they might have to buy the Wii a month later, but they will buy it.

[Zerai]

Originally Posted by RiskyChris

Oh my god people, they're both consoles to provide entertainment. If a theoretical person has $1000 to spend on entertainment for a given period of time, purchasing a $600 console leaves $400 left to spend. A person is unquestionably less likely to buy a Wii at $400 reserves vs $1000.

It's basic fucking economics.

The Wii is so cheap is why it's been integrated so much..So cheap in fact that it isn't limiting people on one console. I didn't buy a Wii because a friend owns one and there wasn't any game on it I wanted to play solo, but if there was some epic awesome game I wanted to play on it..whats $250?

[Lorrac]

i saw that quote - all it means is uncompressed audio and waggle implementation.

[RiskyChris]

Originally Posted by Zerai

The Wii is so cheap is why it's been integrated so much..So cheap in fact that it isn't limiting people on one console. I didn't buy a Wii because a friend owns one and there wasn't any game on it I wanted to play solo, but if there was some epic awesome game I wanted to play on it..whats $250?

I don't see how this is an argument to the fact that Wii and PS3 are indeed competing consoles. I'd likely have bought my 360 (same as PS3, whatever) at launch of Gears of War had the Wii not dipped into my funds.

[Sithro]

They are indeed competitors. But the genius of the Wii is that while the other two consoles are fighting over a spot to be the main multimedia hub, the Wii can be bought cheaply, and put right on the side of one's PS3 or 360.

Almost like a little leech or something.

So while they might not be fighting over living room space, they definately will be fighting for 3rd parties to develop games on their system.

Nintendo isn't a company anyone can really fuck around with anymore. I'm kicking my self for not buying Nintendo stock two years ago. The company is almost worth the same as Sony is.

[Kildace]

Originally Posted by RiskyChris

I don't see how this is an argument to the fact that Wii and PS3 are indeed competing consoles. I'd likely have bought my 360 (same as PS3, whatever) at launch of Gears of War had the Wii not dipped into my funds.

But you still bought it 2 months later. Which is exactly my point.

[Wizerud]

It would be odd if you bought two consoles at the same time but to think that anyone who has already bought a Wii, and who has a reasonable disposable income and wants some variety in their entertainment, would not even consider buying a PS3 when it starts getting some kick-ass games which they find appealing, is being silly. Unless they'd already taken the PS3 out of the equation, which from at least a technical standpoint, I don't see too many people doing.

You don't not buy a console just because you already have one especially when the two are likely to have very different things to offer.

[Tolanin]

Sony fucked up just like sega did after genesis, releasing ultra high priced consoles with no games = bad.. its the Sega CD all over again except this time with blu-ray.

I can see wii and xbox competing for market, 360 is reasonably priced and prolly going to see a price cut by christmas... the main competiton is gonna be between those two consoles. Wii cant handle alot of the titles 360 can but stuff like super smash bros and mario party are gonna majorly fuel its christmas sales, those two titles are gonna be huge i think.

PS3 will have an incredibly hard time bouncing back, no one is gonna want to dev exclussive titles for them when they are selling so poorly, I think most of the old exclussives are gonna be cross platformed for 360 atleast... they will get a few of there inhouse franchises of course but sony has never had great in house stuff like nintendo or sega did back in the day so they wont float on that alone. Also they gotta get price cut down to 400 and with the blu-ray crystals costing what they are atm thats just not gonna happen, another poor holiday sales and PS3 is basically fucked.