Diablo 3 - General Discussion I

[Erumaron]

Originally Posted by Zarcath

If it's not D3, it would make more sense for them to announce a Starcraft MMO, since SC2 is their next game out. They did WC3 and then WoW.

This. Figured somebody beat me to it.

[Araxen]

Originally Posted by Zarcath

If it's not D3, it would make more sense for them to announce a Starcraft MMO, since SC2 is their next game out. They did WC3 and then WoW.

Originally Posted by Erumaron

This. Figured somebody beat me to it.

And the no shit sherlock award goes too....

[Horse]

If WOTLK came out right now I'd buy it because:

1) WoW is fucking boring right now. My preferred class sucks. I'm crying.
2) AOC was a let down to my small group of friends.
3) Hellgate, TR and LOTRO are ghosttowns bogged down by my not giving a shit about them at this point.
4) Nothing much on the console front. Still holding my breath for the amazing RPG breakthrough X360 will have and PS3 is obviously of course going to supposed to have. Any day now. It's totally different than the original XBOX. Right.
5) Civ rev basically sucks, can only play so much Civ 4.
6) Mythos isn't done. SC2 doesn't exist.


I'm a developer and essentially experience only matters in the planning and restructuring phases. Experienced developers? Uh, in case you were wondering the ducks are all in a row at a certain point, and if one of the ducks is a "prescription coke"-addled turd they are replaced.

As long as the upper echelons know what to tell the underlings to do, why and when, none of what Mist is saying means a fuck.

[mek]

Originally Posted by Mist

So this entire phase of a new MMO can all be done without any impact on WoW. You don't need huge teams of client/server programmers on your LIVE team for a game.

"can be"? Are you retarded or living under a rock or both? Blizzard already has a second dedicated MMO development team for a top secret project, and they have for over a year now. There are no hypothetical what ifs for your tiny QA testing brain to mull, it is happening, period. They are totally seperate from whatever team is working on WoW expansions, they probably have their own damn building, parking lot, and cafeteria at this point.

And it's highly likely that whatever form that MMO decides to take, it will be only loosely related to WoW if at all. WoW2 would be competing with themselves, and exactly what SOE did terribly wrong. I'd anticipate a PVP-heavy SC MMO which poaches mechanics heavily from EVE Online, but I'm just a speculator, of course.

[Mist]

Did you not read my post? A second team of programmers != a second team of content designers. No one is disputing that they have a second team of programmers working on a project, but they have years of work ahead of them before content designers will be able to do much of anything.

When Blizzard announces something new, they don't show a poster, they show a video of the game up and running. If they have actually have a functioning game up and running, that means they're already doing content production on a new game and why I, personally, wouldn't bother buying an expac for an old one.

[TKarrde]

Originally Posted by Mist

Did you not read my post? A second team of programmers != a second team of content designers. No one is disputing that they have a second team of programmers working on a project, but they have years of work ahead of them before content designers will be able to much of anything.

The fuck? Do you think the programmers are reinventing the wheel? Blizzard would have to be fucking retarded to build their development tools from scratch for D3. They will have updated what they used for WoW. Same thing with the client/server protocol. And the graphics engine. And, well, just about everything. Developers reuse and improve on what they already have made. The programmers certainly don't have "years" left of programming to do before the content designers can go to work. It would have been incredibly dumb of Blizzard to not have teams continuously working on and improving these things in the first place.

And Blizzard isn't incredibly dumb. You, however, apparently are.


As for a video, you can have a gameplay video out 2 or 3 years before the game is ready for release. Or, if you're 3D Realms, 4 years and counting, lol.

[Mist]

Originally Posted by TKarrde

The fuck? Do you think the programmers are reinventing the wheel? Blizzard would have to be fucking retarded to build their development tools from scratch for D3.

You're still assuming it's D3, and assuming D3 is something very similar WoW. What if D3 is nothing like WoW? What if it's a Starcraft MMO, a 1st/3rd person shooter, that maybe even has space flight elements? The MMO they're working on is described as 'next-gen' and I doubt the tools from WoW will be of much use in creating a thoroughly 'next-gen' game.

You seem to think you're so smart but what makes you think Blizzard is going to create something very similar to their existing, still highly successful product and brand it as 'next-gen?'

[TKarrde]

Originally Posted by Mist

You're still assuming it's D3, and assuming D3 is something very similar WoW. What if D3 is nothing like WoW? What if it's a Starcraft MMO, a 1st/3rd person shooter, that maybe even has space flight elements? The MMO they're working on is described as 'next-gen' and I doubt the tools from WoW will be of much use in creating a thoroughly 'next-gen' game.

Let's look at the Unreal engine: UnrealEd has not been rebuilt from the ground up in any iteration, and you can definitely say that Unreal 1 and Unreal Tournament 3 are definitely generations apart.

And even if it is any of those things, the content creation tools for WoW are still not going to be reinvented. Heavily modified and extended, sure, but there is absolutely no reason at all why those tools, the engines, etc, wouldn't be able to be improved upon and reused.

But it's already painfully obvious you don't understand the development process, so I guess it isn't a surprise that you don't understand this.

[Mist]

Whatever, you're fucking retarded if you think Blizzard is going to spend 100+ million dollars to compete with themselves. Especially considering AoC and WAR are both complete shit and there's absolutely nothing else on the horizon that they have to worry about.

If you want my longshot bet on what the announcement is, it's Diablo 3: for next-gen mobile phones. This is considering they hired a bunch of mobile phone developers a few months back. I'm quite positive they're also working on a Starcraft MMO but aiming for a 2011-2012 release for that.

[TKarrde]

Just how fucking dumb are you? We already know they're developing a new MMO. THIS IS A FACT. IT HAS BEEN CONFIRMED. 100% TRUTH. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.

[RiskyChris]

Originally Posted by Mist

Whatever, you're fucking retarded if you think Blizzard is going to spend 100+ million dollars to compete with themselves. Especially considering AoC and WAR are both complete shit and there's absolutely nothing else on the horizon that they have to worry about.

If you want my longshot bet on what the announcement is, it's Diablo 3: for next-gen mobile phones. This is considering they hired a bunch of mobile phone developers a few months back. I'm quite positive they're also working on a Starcraft MMO but aiming for a 2012-2013 release for that.

Blizzard always has to worry about how many more billions it can be making. 100 million dollars to compete with themselves and bring in another 500 million a year? Boo hoo, what a risk.

[Mist]

Originally Posted by TKarrde

Just how fucking dumb are you? We already know they're developing a new MMO. THIS IS A FACT. IT HAS BEEN CONFIRMED. 100% TRUTH. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.

NO SHIT. But just because they're working on a new MMO DOESN'T MEAN THATS WHATS GOING TO BE REVEALED AT WWI. TYPING IN CAPS IS FUN.

And if they DO reveal a new MMO, I won't be buying WOTLK. That's just my personal opinion about my own buying habits, stop trying to argue with that.

[mek]

Originally Posted by Mist

NO SHIT. But just because they're working on a new MMO DOESN'T MEAN THATS WHATS GOING TO BE REVEALED AT WWI. TYPING IN CAPS IS FUN.

Yes but it still means you're a dumbass as you just said THEY CAN'T POSSIBLY BE WORKING ON A NEW MMO. Quoting your MOBILE PHONE DIABLO for dumbassery, too. To explain how stupid you are, Blizzard already said why they added mobile phone developers - they want WoW or next-gen MMO addons which will allow you to interact with the game world in secondary ways. Like checking your WoW inbox from your mobile, or buying and selling on the AH, or integrating minigames like the TCG.

Originally Posted by Mist

Whatever, you're fucking retarded if you think Blizzard is going to spend 100+ million dollars to compete with themselves. Especially considering AoC and WAR are both complete shit and there's absolutely nothing else on the horizon that they have to worry about.

If you want my longshot bet on what the announcement is, it's Diablo 3: for next-gen mobile phones. This is considering they hired a bunch of mobile phone developers a few months back.

[Mist]

Originally Posted by mek

Yes but it still means you're a dumbass as you just said THEY CAN'T POSSIBLY BE WORKING ON A NEW MMO.

I did not ever say they can't be working on a new MMO. I just said that I wouldn't be buying WOTLK for various reasons if that's the next project they announce.

[x1hundredregrets]

Originally Posted by Mist

Live team = the people who create the patches and add in the additional content post release. If there's another MMO that's moved into the production stages already you can bet on having less frequent patches and less additional content.

No matter what, Blizzard is in a situation where they'll likely be competing with themselves. If it's Diablo 3, non-MMO, non-subscription based, then that will likely draw off a ton of their casual WoW players. If it's a new MMO, then they'll be directly competing with themselves and stretching their teams thin at some point, sooner or later.

I think you seriously underestimate how much money Blizzard makes, and how many employees they can hire. This isnt some indy developer with 6 people in some basement. Besides, they've already announced they have SOME kind of MMO in PRODUCTION.