Diablo 3 - General Discussion I

[AlexTheDictator]

Originally Posted by Caliane

It's funny you say that. As this is the same argument that is happening right now with D3. When D2 came out, people said that D2 wasn't as dark and scary as D1 and clearly still do. Which btw, is not true. Its the same shit. D1 graphics weren't as good, and you were adding all the details yourself. Massive rose colored glasses on the gore. Hell had some doodads, the butcher had alot of doodads in his room, and the sacrifice of the prince was about it really.

There was nothing like the Butcher in D2, though. D1's soundtrack was far more eerie than D2. D1 was much darker, too. Light radius actually did something. Then again, I was 10 years old when I played D1 so my memory may not be serving me the best.

Also, I think it is pretty fair to judge the game with the cow levels in mind. That's definitely where I spent most of my time when I played D2 for over two years. How much time did you spend in the sewers in Act II? Once you're level 70-something did you really have a reason to ever go there? Also, when was the last time you LEGITIMATELY leveled a character in D2 (your first character notwithstanding) and did not get rushed to hell cows? I may be in the minority, but when my friends and I played the game we would always have someone rush us through the game to hell cows so we could go from level 1 to level 70 in a day or two.

[Azrayne]

The point is that the cows were a joke, I don't think they ever sat down and intended for people to spend the majority of a characters lifespan there.

And whenever I play D2, I do it legitimately. I don't see the point at all in skipping 99% of the content by getting rushed, but then again I never did manage to get into the powergaming mindset for D2 for some reason. I always found it odd that people did, for me it was always just a 'randomly slaughter demons for a few hours' kind of game.

I think there were easily parts of D2 that were close to being as dark as D1 (though not quite, nothing beats some of the scenery in the cathedral and the catacombs), but they took up a lot less of the game. Which makes sense, given that there was a much wider scope, if you're going to have your hero traversing deserts and jungles, you can't have random corpses lying all over in various states of mutilation, that doesn't make sense. It was easy for D1 because the whole game was one huge dungeon, so random corpses and gore and blood weren't at all out of context.

That said, I think such things should absolutely be included when they fit into the area properly. I don't think they were integrated into D2 to the extent that they could be, but only thing we can do for D3 is wait and see.

[Draegan]

When you play D2 in windowed mode and have the map spread out over 1920x1200 resolution, light radius means something!

This is not my screenshot, but you get the idea.

[Caliane]

The music was about the same.

D1 did have stronger "fog of war". not something that I would label a good thing though.

d2 had a lot of dialogue. Too much maybe? instead of building up a few characters, it had all sorts of topics, and no one listened to any of it after the first few.

How many people actually know the lore about Bartuc the bloody?
Or the arcane summoner?
Or the countess? The countess is built up just like the butcher, and even has a whole dungeon leading to her. Or blood raven, same thing. Hell, that Blood raven is the rogue from d1 is kindof awesome. Join my army of undead, isn't as memorable as Ahhh! Frest meat!

So what went wrong? Why do people ignore the gore in the background in d2? Seriously, its far far far more graphic, and everywhere. Durance of hate, harem, as well as those first mentioned. Far more horrific then anything in d1. Visually, the graphics are sit in the environment more. d1 gore was highlighted. Visually didn't sit in the environment, it sat on it.
faster run/walk? everyone was so busy running through levels at 1000mph, they over looked the details?

I know a large factor is rose colored googles for d1. As said, you were probably like 9-10 when D1 came out, then 4 years later, you weren't as shocked by d2.


Ok, so to answer those questions.
smaller towns. its not surprising that half the people didn't run back and talk with all the people in act3 when they were all over the place in the Kurast docks. Same with act2. I bet most people did take the time to listen to more of act4 with its much smaller town size though, or even act5.
no daytime. Daytime should be cloudy/storming, whatever. but no sun. at all. Day in some areas should have made the dark areas seem even darker, but instead it seems people only remember the bright areas, and completely forget the dark ones.
bigger rewards and difficulty for side missions like the countess. I always said, the pit, icy cellar, abaddon, etc should have housed the best items in the game. This would slow the game down, and let people see the things going on, instead of teleporting to bosses for nonstop farming. Take out teleport and faster run/walk in general. don't let people skip the content as much. reward them for not skipping content as well.

[Azrayne]

There wasn't 'that' much gore in either of the locations you mention from memory. Durance of hate had a lot of blood yeah, and the bridge made of corpses to the portal, but otherwise nothing I can remember. I don't remember the harem as having any at all, but it has been a while so maybe I'm forgetting it.

I mean yeah, Diablo 1 wasn't all gore. The caverns, for example, had almost none at all, it was mostly lava and dirt, but the other three sections all had their fair share (though it was most obvious in the first 4 levels, which also had by far the best music in the game). In D2, it was very rare, and when it was there it was kind of tame and honestly not really that noticeable. In D1 it stood out. You go into a room and it's dominated by the crucifixes in the middle and the corpse on the wall that's been torn in half. In d2 you have to play 'where's wally' with the gore.

As far as your question goes about bosses and lore, I think you're right to an extent, and I think the issue is that sitting there twiddling your thumbs while Cain talks for 2 minutes just isn't that fun. I think you need to compress the lore into smaller sections of diologue or text (something like the random books you'd find in the dungeon in D1, where there would be a paragraph or two discussing the history of the demons, or keep it to cut scenes. In fact I think liberal implementation of cut scenes might help a lot, though I don't know how feasible it is.

[Caliane]

I'd say go back and take a closer look at the background walls, doodads and floors in D2.
Notably the Jail, the harem, halls 0f*, durance.
The Jail is a torture chamber. People on racks torn apart, drawn and quartered, people beheaded at the dinner tables, etc. The harem has concubines torn apart and dragged leaving bloody trails. As well as guards, etc. The halls in chpt 5 have assassins eviscerated tied to the walls, and barbs as well. And chapt1 has rogues impaled on spikes for loot of course, as well as cpt 5 with assassins nailed to x crosses. Durance has just piles of bodies everywhere, and ends with Mephs river of blood, and bone bridge/portal.

[Prisonmsagro]

I've been playing through Diablo 2 again because back then my english was very limited and just decided to hack and slash and ignore the story for obvious reasons. I really can't believe how well the game aged. That mod didn't work for me in the new 1.12 update or whichever the new one is, but it wasn't hard to right click my desktop and changing the resolution to 800,600 so the window mode fills more area in.

The music and the atmospheric sounds are some of the best I've heard in a game for sure. The gore is something you really hardly notice until later on in the game honestly, the first Act is mostly very day and besides the occasional few impaled chicks.. not much going on in that department.

Diablo 1 ... boy that game scared the piss out of me back then, was hard for me to go very deep in that fucking church even. I remember getting to that Butcher guy and when he said "Ah, fresh meat!" I would run to the other room or close my eyes or just turn the pc off, lol.

[Tenks]

Can't we just agree Diablo1 was awesome, Diablo2 was awesomer and Diablo3 is going to make my dick explode from the blood rush erection I'll get while installing it?

[The Ancient]

Not while Dumar is still around shitting up every thread he posts in.

[Lost Ranger]

Originally Posted by The Ancient

Not while Dumar is still around shitting up every thread he posts in.

The sad part is that you can tell the lame fuck is proud of the fact that he ruins thread after thread. Just take a look at his signature. I keep hoping that one day one of the mods just puts him down for good. The guy has been in full blown troll mode for a long time now. Pick any section on these boards and I bet you can find a thread Dumar gayed the fuck up. I got really excited when Tuco banned him because of his retardation in the WoW thread. Sadly it didn't last.

[Smocca]

Honestly, I have had the same thoughts about Diablo 2 being "less gorey" or whatever than Diablo 1, but I've concluded that I was just much more desensitized to that kind of stuff by 1999.

I was literally sitting there as a necromancer, exploding thousands of corpses in the City of the Damned, surrounded by Dante's Inferno style lost souls and corpse regurgitating Grotesques thinking "gee this game really doesn't have the mature themes that Diablo 1 had".

It's all in our heads. While Diablo 2 had probably less gore "per inch" or whatever (since it was just a much longer and more openended game in general), they had plenty of fucked up stuff. You were just 6 years older and had gone through one of the most rapid developments of the video game industry. You were desensitized.

[Lost Ranger]

Originally Posted by Smocca

Honestly, I have had the same thoughts about Diablo 2 being "less gorey" or whatever than Diablo 1, but I've concluded that I was just much more desensitized to that kind of stuff by 1999.

I was literally sitting there as a necromancer, exploding thousands of corpses in the City of the Damned, surrounded by Dante's Inferno style lost souls and corpse regurgitating Grotesques thinking "gee this game really doesn't have the mature themes that Diablo 1 had".

It's all in our heads. While Diablo 2 had probably less gore "per inch" or whatever (since it was just a much longer and more openended game in general), they had plenty of fucked up stuff. You were just 6 years older and had gone through one of the most rapid developments of the video game industry. You were desensitized.

The thing is that the events of Diablo 1 were a isolated problem. I just don't get why people want the entire fucking world to be like the catacombs/caverns of Diablo 1. Diablo 2/3 are less graphic because it makes sense for them to be. That is really the bottom line. The planet is not some endless emo kids wet dream. It has beauty and good all over the place because that is what is worth fighting for. Leave it to some of the people around here and there is VERY little difference between hell and the rest of the world. Why bother defending it against invasion if the forces of hell feel right at home with the current look?

We can talk when the screenshots of rainbows and pretty flowers in hell start to show up.

[Dumar]

Originally Posted by Lost Ranger

The sad part is that you can tell the lame fuck is proud of the fact that he ruins thread after thread. Just take a look at his signature. I keep hoping that one day one of the mods just puts him down for good. The guy has been in full blown troll mode for a long time now. Pick any section on these boards and I bet you can find a thread Dumar gayed the fuck up. I got really excited when Tuco banned him because of his retardation in the WoW thread. Sadly it didn't last.

excuse me, i have never trolled on this forum. shitting up threads isn't telling the honest matter of fact. it's you and others who insult me directly that 'shit up threads'. sorry if the truth butt hurts people sometimes. sit on a band aid and talk about d3 please, not me.

[James]

Originally Posted by Lost Ranger

We can talk when the screenshots of rainbows and pretty flowers in hell start to show up.

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[Azrayne]

^ I'd play it