Online Poker

[Edko]

Apparently there is a popular bot out there called winholdem. It is banned by the poker rooms but a quick check of their forums shows it has a following.

On a humorous note: http://savemyfinger.com/

[Zinke]

Such a crock. He has referral ID in his links to pokerroom, he's just making money on referrals to that site.

[Kiroy]

I've read of pure bots being used, but I guess due to the nature of the game it can't make serious cash. I think the average was $20 a day or so.

[silversurfer]

I'm kinda torn with this thread. I like anything that brings new meat into poker, it makes me more $$. Above that, poker is my favorite hobby, I think it's a blast to play, and like seeing people get involved. However, OP is doing nothing more than advertising, and I don't know why it's even being allowed. I admire his entreprenurial spirit, but that's about it.

Such a crock. He has referral ID in his links to pokerroom, he's just making money on referrals to that site.

Exactly.

For those of you who are interested in starting, or coming up the curve - this site is the bible. If you are serious about your game, you will spend a lot of time studying here, reading a lot of books, and playing a ton. I'd add in how I feel about some of these posts strategy-wise, but it would be like learning about MMO's from one thread on twoplustwo. Go to the source, young men (and women).

[Fattyfat]

sup

[Eomer]

Cheater!

[BirgittePovar]

Originally Posted by Arbuste

I was talking about Variance. EV is nice, but even if you win big one time, you're still going to lose your money 5 times out of 6.
You need a huge bankroll to be able to survive so much variance.
And it's psychologically pretty hard to take. You lose 5 times out of 6 with pocket Aces! Those tables suck!

I don't think anyone likes to play Maniac tables on NL ring games. At least, I don't.

I understand the variance thing, but honestly if you are so scared of variance that you don't want to play in a situation with such a large +EV (All in with AA vs. 8 other players) then either you need to move down in levels, or if you are so low you can't move down poker simply isn't for you.

This is especially true because unless you are playing with the biggest donks known to man several of those 8 opponents will already be drawing completely dead...whereas you always have outs, no matter what they hold.

You may lose 5 times out of 6 with Pocket Aces, but that 6th time, when you win, you'll make more money than the 5 times you lose.

[Armadon]

Originally Posted by BirgittePovar

You may lose 5 times out of 6 with Pocket Aces, but that 6th time, when you win, you'll make more money than the 5 times you lose.

Huh? I play alot of poker and if you lose 5 hands with pocket aces and you win the sixth one you're still down a shitload of money. Unless you limped in on all those and never bet any money on the flops and above. If you have pocket aces you're almost always raising pre flop and betting on the flop unless some flush cards come out.

[Zinke]

bumping this, just because I've been completely obssessed lately with poker in my small amount of free time, but I'm making decent money at it.

The pocket A's discussion... never fold them pre-flop basically. The only exception would be if your in a very large tournament, with a slow blind schedule or low starting blinds, a lot of starting chips and you've got 4+ people all-in ahead of you. I'm talking first day of the WSOP main event, or first hand of an all-day tournament etc.. Even then, your not making the 'right' move to call.
But, speaking personally, I don't like being up a huge amount of chips that early on in a tournament. You may say it's a weakness in my game, but if I have that many chips I'm tempted to call in hands that I'm probably a slight underdog.

For example, if I have two pair on the river, with a flush draw out there and my opponent has been betting as if he were chasing something and has very little chips now (say, 1/10th the pot). I may call his all-in bet on the off chance I knock him out. I don't know what to say, I realize that's a flaw, but I think even the best professionals have the same flaw. The chip leader on the day, or even day two of the WSOP main event has never won as far as I know.

To add to that, your chip count is only good in relation to the blinds. In a large tournament, tripling up that early doesn't mean much. With 4 people in the hand, pocket A's have approx 50% chance to win (with no knowledge of their cards, based on all possible hand combinations they could have). So, your doing a coin flip to either be knocked out completely or quadruple up at a point where your still going to have to win a lot more after that.

Another angle, is that if you get out of the hand and then one of the other 4 who are all-in this early wins. He should be that much easier to take the chips from afterwards as he is most likely a maniac player to do that kind of play.

To change the subject, anyone else tired of people bitching about losing with AKs? Here's a fun fact, Big Slick is only a 2-1 favorite against 2-7 off suit in a head to head matchup. Chew on that next time your thinking of going all-in pre-flop with it.

Personally, I like any pocket pair, even 2's, more then AK when playing against good players. You have a 1 in 8 chance of hitting a set on the flop, and they can't put you on it. You have AK and hit big, they'll know it and you'll rarely get paid off enough. You hit a set of 2's with a board of A-Q-2 and you'll get paid off.

You play AK with the same board, and a good player will fold Ax if he didn't pair his kicker or get a flush draw.