Dungeon Siege 2 anyone?

[Sanchek]

My game got bugged at the exile village. I killed the mobs attacking the old man, but he just keeps chain healing himself and asking me to help him. I tried going back to town, quitting and coming back, going back to the elven shrine, etc, but nothing works.

Any ideas how I can get around that? I'll be uninstalling before I play it again from the beginning just to get around a bug.

[Vorph]

Originally Posted by Crystara

If Bethsda was smart about it they would stick with the S.P.E.C.I.A.L. system that was used for the first two Fallouts, but I am sure they will find a way to fuck it up.

I may be overly optimistic, but I don't think even Bethesda is retarded enough to replace SPECIAL, Perks, Traits, etc. with a Morrowind-style system. If they did that, the game will go down in history right beside Deus Ex: Invisible War.



Re: old man bug in DS2 -- I've never heard of a way around it other than to reload the game. The game keeps two saves in My Documents\My Games\Dungeon Siege 2\Save\SinglePlayer\*CharacterName*. Delete the .ds2radar and .ds2party files, and take the .bak extension off the other two. If you've saved more than once since the glitch, I think you're fucked.

[Dantre]

Way way way too easy

Here's to hoping for a user mod like we saw with BG2 to make the difficulty of those fights a real challenge.

Really, I miss the days of BG/BGII/IWD/etc - all the shit that's been released lately can't touch the original fantasy line up of single player RPGs.

Hell, even the old console RPGs were better than the lack-luster shit released lately. Sadly the gaming industry is on its path to becoming the movie/music industry. There's some gems out there but you have to dig through piles of shit to find it.

[Crystara]

Originally Posted by Dantre

Really, I miss the days of BG/BGII/IWD/etc - all the shit that's been released lately can't touch the original fantasy line up of single player RPGs.

Even most of those wern't all that hard imo, go way back to the era of stuff like all the Forgotton Realms games and Dark Queen of Krynn, all the other gold box RPGs, if you want something real challenging. They sure aren't pretty by todays standards, but they were fun.

[Drajakur]

Originally Posted by Crystara

Even most of those wern't all that hard imo, go way back to the era of stuff like all the Forgotton Realms games and Dark Queen of Krynn, all the other gold box RPGs, if you want something real challenging. They sure aren't pretty by todays standards, but they were fun.

The happiest christmas of my life was the one when my roomate and I ditched our entire families and stayed in our shitty little basement suite eating Greek takeout and playing the DnD gold boxes during the day, and drinking at night. It was fucking awesome.

[Diwali]

Originally Posted by Dantre

Way way way too easy

Here's to hoping for a user mod like we saw with BG2 to make the difficulty of those fights a real challenge.

Really, I miss the days of BG/BGII/IWD/etc - all the shit that's been released lately can't touch the original fantasy line up of single player RPGs.

Hell, even the old console RPGs were better than the lack-luster shit released lately. Sadly the gaming industry is on its path to becoming the movie/music industry. There's some gems out there but you have to dig through piles of shit to find it.

Baldurs gate 2 is probably one of the best pc games of all time. The game is EASILY in the top 20 list. Not a stupid list with games that are so old everyone just yells "omg its classic", but highquality games from any age. Baldurs gate 2 had everything. The characters were interesting, it had a cool story, and it took 40+ hours(the first time..) to beat it. Fighting the drow in the underdark was fun as hell.

Now im tryin to remember what they yelled out...The drow dudes would yell.."For ______!, WE FIGHT!"

[Furism]

Why is that nobody likes NWN ? It's a great game. Original campaign is a bit slow in its first "chapter", but then it gets real good. The two extensions rock, and there's a trillion modules and plugins out there with professional-level quality.

The game allows for any class/race combinaison, multiclassing and customizing your characters just like you could in D&D. This game has it all.

[Tuco]

I'm on the second difficulty level now, and have gone through the entire game without any partymembers/pets. The special abilities are just retarded.

What build do you have?

[Vorph]

Originally Posted by Diwali

Baldurs gate 2 is probably one of the best pc games of all time. The game is EASILY in the top 20 list. Not a stupid list with games that are so old everyone just yells "omg its classic", but highquality games from any age. Baldurs gate 2 had everything. The characters were interesting, it had a cool story, and it took 40+ hours(the first time..) to beat it. Fighting the drow in the underdark was fun as hell.

I definitely agree about BG2 (although PS:T is and probably always will be the best D&D license game). Really the only thing that makes BG2 seem dated now is the 2E ruleset. I wish that the Icewind Gate 2 mod--to run BG2 in the IWD2 engine and use 3E rules--had been completed and tuned, that could have have a lot of fun, but the beta they released was too buggy to play. It hasn't been updated in about a year and a half, so I think it's dead. :/

No clue how someone would finish BG2 in 40 hours though. I don't even think you could do it if you skipped every single side quest. Anyway, the reason I nitpick that statement is because it's really irritating that they just don't make games like that anymore. BG2, played the right way and doing all the quests, has so much content in it that it takes as long to complete as, say, playing Dungeon Siege 2 to level 100 through all 3 difficulty levels. Playing the same game three times isn't "content" imo. Throne of Bhaal added roughly another 40 hours on top of that too.


As for NWN, I think it worked ok as a online/LAN game, but failed miserably as a single-player RPG. Once you created your character, the 3E rules system went right into the shitter because of all the real-time changes they made to support multiplayer. BG2 was pseudo-real-time, but you would have to pause the game and set up a strategy anytime there was a difficult fight. Apparently BioWare felt that was too complex for the people they wanted to sell NWN to, so forget about all that silly thinking stuff and just click away on your mouse. The game was like playing DS1, only with 3E rules for character creation. The handling of NPCs in your party was abysmal compared to BG2/IWD2; hell it was abysmal compared to anything other than perhaps Fallout 1 (at least FO let you have more than 1 follower).

If you can't see all the things wrong with the rules in NWN, pick up Temple of Elemental Evil from the bargain bin sometime and play it. 3.5E rules aren't that much different from 3E, but the difference between the two games is night and day. That's not to say ToEE is a great game either, since Troika managed to make a near-perfect ruleset but failed in other respects.

[Furism]

Ahem, in NWN you could pause the game and set up all your action in advance (only on one mob though) However I agree the party system could have been better - it actually did during the extensions, and some people wrote scripts used in many modules to improve that even more.

[Vorph]

Sure, you *could* pause and do that, but it was almost never necessary to bother. My point was that the NWN engine was pretty, but from a gameplay perspective it was a massive step back from the point they reached with the Infinity Engine in IWD2.

Oh and the other thing about how much more impressive a game BG2 is compared to newer games is that all the loot in the game was hand-placed. The only random drops that I can remember were scrolls.

[Tuco]

BG2 took me around 150hrs to complete. I did everything...

This guy did BG1 in 1hr14min or something, heh: http://speeddemosarchive.com/BaldursGate.html

[Tuco]

I've been playing DS2, and it just seems to me that this game just makes me want to play Diablo2... heh.

I'm only level 8, but it seems like diablo2 with an annoying 3d interface, and without any of the special, mana taking attacks that more or less were the basis of your offense in d2. Instead you have these 'every 5 minutes or so' attacks that are many multiples better.

I almost feel like I'd be having much more fun in Diablo2...

Really, I don't see why they bother making games with this view 3d, I think DS2 would be better if it were a 2d game.

[Nevergone]

On that note, I think DS2 would be a total marvel if it was a first person game with different party members that you can control. Basically a system where you can control your main character, but at crucial moments you can select another member of your group via a party window. This would leave your main character in auto-mode while you control another character. It would feel a lot like multi-boxing in EQ, but in a game specially designed for tactical combat.

I'm not a huge fan of games where you watch your character the entire time; I'd much rather prefer to be seeing the world through my characters eyes. Diablo II, while addictive and fun, never really took it "too the next level" due to the way the game was displayed to me.

[Nakilos]

Well, its an enjoyable brainless time waster. My gripe is I wish it wasn't so Diablo 2 like, with the only difference being the number of people in your party.

The problem with the difficulty is its as difficult as you let it be. If you have just 1 warrior sword and shield type provoke bot, a healer, and whoever, this game is a joke. Of course its harder for my gf who has a party of 1 Nature mage, 2 ranged, and a dual wielder. I told her provoke was good but she would rather play the way she wants to play, so its more challenging for her I think. Not everyone enjoys games the same. In games like these the fun for me is building up characters more than just killing stuff.

None the less, its still fun the way Diablo is fun. Bash monsters, get cool loot, bash more, do it again. Easy to spend as little or as much time as you want playing it.