Developers and Windowed Mode

Jaytee Bushwacker · 04-08-2003, 10:58 AM

Gentlemen,

It is common knowledge that many induviduals play more than one account per computer. It is quite common in the high end game actually. For the longest time this was only possible with the use of EQ Windows which was a previously banable offense.

Recently, SOE has reversed course and acknowledged that windowed mode is acceptable and un-banned anyone who was banned for using EQ Windows and implemented thier own form of windowed mode.

However, the native windowed mode within Everquest is sorely lacking, it is not friendly and often ends up freezing the mouse, locking up other applications or crashing Everquest itself.

EQ Windows is leaner and cleaner code. It was not forced upon an application that was not designed for windowed mode and therefore is much more stable and friendly.

On behalf of the multi-boxing community I implore you to make some form of arrangement with the authors of EQ Windows to implement thier application as the answer to windowed mode while scrapping the native code.

Vitolos · 04-08-2003, 11:01 AM

Signed.

Zistrix · 04-08-2003, 11:07 AM

http://www.eqwindows.com/

Sony: You can visit the EQW site here.

You can contact the coder here:

justsomedude@hotmail.com

Now, why don't you take the cost of a few LoY subscriptions and buy a real working window for your currently unstable one.

Zeol · 04-08-2003, 11:07 AM

Agree the mouse utilization in Sony's solution is subpar to EQW

Clug · 04-08-2003, 12:21 PM

EQW is fixed already, fwiw.

smokah · 04-08-2003, 02:33 PM

hagas > *

Liringlas · 04-08-2003, 06:26 PM

eqw is 10x better than the current crap they have implemented in eq. just stop trying and just ask everybody to download that instead.

Metranon · 04-08-2003, 06:41 PM

sony, please fire your entire UI staff and hire the guy who makes EQW

Golggen · 04-09-2003, 07:43 AM

I don't think what VI did was ever intended to be used for 2 boxxing. For what it was intended it is a pretty good tool, for me I can't stand windowed mode especially on raids. I use the alt-enter when I need to research something on the web. No where did they ever say "This is so you can 2 box your account" I think it was more just a way to keep normal people who only play 1 account from having to download a 3rd party prog to run there game and do research. I remember them saying they "might optimize it for multiple accounts in the future", but thats about it.

What they did do is not exactly easy, being able to go from full screen to windowed and back is not just something you throw together in a day. Especially for the EQ Graphics engine we all know and love.

If you wanna 2box use EQW ... it's a pretty simple solution. If they didn't want you to do it, it would still be a bannable offence, wouldn't it?

Jaytee Bushwacker · 04-09-2003, 11:06 AM

Quote:

I don't think what VI did was ever intended to be used for 2 boxxing. For what it was intended it is a pretty good tool, for me I can't stand windowed mode especially on raids. I use the alt-enter when I need to research something on the web. No where did they ever say "This is so you can 2 box your account" I think it was more just a way to keep normal people who only play 1 account from having to download a 3rd party prog to run there game and do research. I remember them saying they "might optimize it for multiple accounts in the future", but thats about it.

What they did do is not exactly easy, being able to go from full screen to windowed and back is not just something you throw together in a day. Especially for the EQ Graphics engine we all know and love.

If you wanna 2box use EQW ... it's a pretty simple solution. If they didn't want you to do it, it would still be a bannable offence, wouldn't it?

Only problem with that argument...is that thier windowed mode doesnt work well, see the above posts referencing how the mouse locks up, other programs crash, even EQ itself will crash when switching.

Aldous · 04-09-2003, 11:44 AM

their windowed mode sucks, it's super dark and unplayable almost for me. i have to alt-enter to full screen to see well except after the last patch when i alt enter to full screen i get nothing but black....

eqw is so much better

valarin · 04-09-2003, 11:55 AM

I agree totally. I don't use eqw/alt tab to run more then one toon. I have 5 PC's I don't need to run more then one EQ toon on a PC. I DO like to be able to use an MP3 player they doesn't suck. I DO like to be able to read message board and check websites on my main PC from time to time etc. It really is amazing that verant cannot even make running windows work correctly when a guy working in a his basement with a few free hours can make it work FLAWLESSLY. I have been using EQW when possible instead of official windowed mode because quite frankly the verant solution stinks.

Rufus · 04-09-2003, 12:18 PM

Two words: Intel's Hammer

04-08-2003, 10:58 AM	#1 (permalink)
Jaytee Bushwacker FoH Member with a rod in his pants Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Forest, MS Posts: 248 +0 Internets	Developers and Windowed Mode Gentlemen, It is common knowledge that many induviduals play more than one account per computer. It is quite common in the high end game actually. For the longest time this was only possible with the use of EQ Windows which was a previously banable offense. Recently, SOE has reversed course and acknowledged that windowed mode is acceptable and un-banned anyone who was banned for using EQ Windows and implemented thier own form of windowed mode. However, the native windowed mode within Everquest is sorely lacking, it is not friendly and often ends up freezing the mouse, locking up other applications or crashing Everquest itself. EQ Windows is leaner and cleaner code. It was not forced upon an application that was not designed for windowed mode and therefore is much more stable and friendly. On behalf of the multi-boxing community I implore you to make some form of arrangement with the authors of EQ Windows to implement thier application as the answer to windowed mode while scrapping the native code.

04-08-2003, 11:01 AM	#2 (permalink)
Vitolos Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Jersey Posts: 77 -1 Internets	Signed. __________________ oic

04-08-2003, 06:41 PM	#8 (permalink)
Metranon Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 1,599 +0 Internets	hi sony, please fire your entire UI staff and hire the guy who makes EQW

04-09-2003, 07:43 AM	#9 (permalink)
Golggen Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 8 -1 Internets	I don't think what VI did was ever intended to be used for 2 boxxing. For what it was intended it is a pretty good tool, for me I can't stand windowed mode especially on raids. I use the alt-enter when I need to research something on the web. No where did they ever say "This is so you can 2 box your account" I think it was more just a way to keep normal people who only play 1 account from having to download a 3rd party prog to run there game and do research. I remember them saying they "might optimize it for multiple accounts in the future", but thats about it. What they did do is not exactly easy, being able to go from full screen to windowed and back is not just something you throw together in a day. Especially for the EQ Graphics engine we all know and love. If you wanna 2box use EQW ... it's a pretty simple solution. If they didn't want you to do it, it would still be a bannable offence, wouldn't it? __________________ Golggen Tru'Light Archon of Havenlight

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04-08-2003, 11:07 AM	#3 (permalink)
Zistrix Cowboy Astronaut Millionaire Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 1,107	http://www.eqwindows.com/ Sony: You can visit the EQW site here. You can contact the coder here: justsomedude@hotmail.com Now, why don't you take the cost of a few LoY subscriptions and buy a real working window for your currently unstable one.

04-08-2003, 11:07 AM	#4 (permalink)
Zeol Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ft Campbell Posts: 11 -1 Internets	Agree the mouse utilization in Sony's solution is subpar to EQW

04-08-2003, 12:21 PM	#5 (permalink)
Clug title? I don't need no stinkin title Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 770	EQW is fixed already, fwiw.

04-08-2003, 02:33 PM	#6 (permalink)
smokah pve is srs bznzz Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 208 -2 Internets	hagas > *

04-08-2003, 06:26 PM	#7 (permalink)
Liringlas useless Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 155 -1 Internets	eqw is 10x better than the current crap they have implemented in eq. just stop trying and just ask everybody to download that instead.

04-09-2003, 11:44 AM	#11 (permalink)
Aldous Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 23 -1 Internets	their windowed mode sucks, it's super dark and unplayable almost for me. i have to alt-enter to full screen to see well except after the last patch when i alt enter to full screen i get nothing but black.... eqw is so much better

04-09-2003, 11:55 AM	#12 (permalink)
valarin Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 130 -1 Internets	I agree totally. I don't use eqw/alt tab to run more then one toon. I have 5 PC's I don't need to run more then one EQ toon on a PC. I DO like to be able to use an MP3 player they doesn't suck. I DO like to be able to read message board and check websites on my main PC from time to time etc. It really is amazing that verant cannot even make running windows work correctly when a guy working in a his basement with a few free hours can make it work FLAWLESSLY. I have been using EQW when possible instead of official windowed mode because quite frankly the verant solution stinks.

04-09-2003, 12:18 PM	#13 (permalink)
Rufus Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 54	Two words: Intel's Hammer