Please retune Pre-Elemental POP content - Page 3

Searyx · 03-29-2003, 05:54 PM

Who the fuck wants Ornate molds?

Ainmer · 03-29-2003, 06:26 PM

Looking at your magelo, you could benefit from several pieces of Ornate PoP armor. $$

Illuvator Brightstar · 03-30-2003, 08:50 AM

Good lord dont make hall trash in Sol Ro harder. The mindnumbing clearings to Dres or Jiva are bad enough as they are...

Kodylan · 03-30-2003, 01:10 PM

No shit, though respawn being lower on some of the stuff would be nice, as well as hp being lowered a bit to open it up as another possible xp zone for folks as they advance in flags.

Kinda gay that from the time you get your BoT flag, you either xp there or PoV for the best xp until you're flagged for elementals.

Metranon · 03-31-2003, 12:47 AM

sol ro is a fucked up zone altogether, there should be 1/2 as many mobs or less and they shbould hit twice as hard or more...you have to kill bertox to get there so you expect it to be somewhat challenging but instead its just hours of boring clearing for an easyt flag named that drops shitty loot.

sol ro tower is barely 1 step above torment IMO, except that the best mob int he whole place, sol ro himself, has almost no clearing and drops godly loot considering 30 people can drop him np

Metranon · 03-31-2003, 12:48 AM

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Who the fuck wants Ornate molds?

you mean like the ornate legs youre wearing in your magelo?

Liz · 03-31-2003, 06:42 AM

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Originally posted by Searyx
Who the fuck wants Ornate molds?

Some of the clickies are quite nice to have around tyvm.

Having clicky Traquility certainly makes wipe recovery faster when you're the one doing the buffing.

Clerics not having to mem BoR when they can dig through a bag and click the BP doesn't suck either.

And well then there's clicky Regen but pray you get it clicked before ppl in group start clicking 10th rings, you'd think there was a reuse time like mod rods on those things. Never have understood why they couldn't just make regen not take hold rather than over writing but oh well maybe someday.

rukidding · 03-31-2003, 06:42 AM

The only intent of a change in the pre-elemental loot is to encourage the use of this content. For an example of poorly tuned encounters, Cazic-Thule and Innoruuk were both retuned at the same time. Since then Cazic has been killed by someone almost every single time he’s spawned, while Innoruuk is totally wasted.

If these pre-elemental encounters don’t receive some adjustments, then that content is going to be wasted. From a development point of view, this is unacceptable. All of that content, and some complete zones like Torment, took a large chunk of developer time to design. Allowing that content to go unused puts more pressure on the developer team to design new content, and creates more overcrowding of the player base into the good risk/reward areas. So, a retune benefits both developers and players.

Realistically, a retune would be fairly easy. Give a few of the pre-elemental mobs some items that are slight upgrades to luclin (ssra) gear (100 hp/mana + ft/veng). I’d also encourage an increase to the exp in Torment, and the addition of a couple of decent named spawns that drop usable gear (ala pof). Environmentally, Torment has amazing ambiance. The mobs are interesting and the layout is fun, but it needs something to get players into the zone. The exp should realistically be similar to crypt of decay.

Neric · 03-31-2003, 02:27 PM

PoP is basically a great project and a piss poor implementation. The designers created beautiful zones and the guys responsible for the contend totally messed it up because they put the raid-aspect over the regular gameplay instead of mixing it. The only exception seems to be Plane of Valor as the Aerin'Dar script fits in nicely.

Take a look at the other zones. HoH B has no other purpose than killing MM. Nobody is hunting in Plane of Torment. CoD B is just the Bert script. Air is a pure raid zone. Earth is mostly raid zone. Tower of Sol Ro is a raid zone. Most of HoH A is locked with mobs casting feeblemind - gratz for wasting a zone whoever came up with that. PoJ, PoI, Nightmare and Disease are not worth the time since the exp on those light blue mobs sucks hardcore.

So what is left? PoV, PoS, Tactics, BoT, a bit of Water and Fire if you got the flags for it. A pretty well designed exp-zone named Plane of War never made it to the live servers.

Basically PoP could have been great, but it turned out to be boring because the nicely designed zones got totally wasted to support nothing but flag contend.

03-29-2003, 05:54 PM	#31 (permalink)
Searyx I'm still the master of Mistmoore, dammit! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 2,072 +1 Internets	Who the fuck wants Ornate molds? __________________ "“Education is the kindling of a flame, not the filling of a vessel.” --Socrates--

03-29-2003, 06:26 PM	#32 (permalink)
Ainmer Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 96 -2 Internets	well Searyx... Looking at your magelo, you could benefit from several pieces of Ornate PoP armor. $$

03-30-2003, 08:50 AM	#33 (permalink)
Illuvator Brightstar Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 13 -1 Internets	Sol Ro Good lord dont make hall trash in Sol Ro harder. The mindnumbing clearings to Dres or Jiva are bad enough as they are... __________________ Illuvator Brightstar - 65 Arcanist Order of the Phoenix- Saryrn

03-31-2003, 12:47 AM	#35 (permalink)
Metranon Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 1,599 +0 Internets	well sol ro is a fucked up zone altogether, there should be 1/2 as many mobs or less and they shbould hit twice as hard or more...you have to kill bertox to get there so you expect it to be somewhat challenging but instead its just hours of boring clearing for an easyt flag named that drops shitty loot. sol ro tower is barely 1 step above torment IMO, except that the best mob int he whole place, sol ro himself, has almost no clearing and drops godly loot considering 30 people can drop him np

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03-30-2003, 01:10 PM	#34 (permalink)
Kodylan Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 2,088 +2 Internets	No shit, though respawn being lower on some of the stuff would be nice, as well as hp being lowered a bit to open it up as another possible xp zone for folks as they advance in flags. Kinda gay that from the time you get your BoT flag, you either xp there or PoV for the best xp until you're flagged for elementals.

03-31-2003, 06:42 AM	#38 (permalink)
rukidding Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 186 -1 Internets	The only intent of a change in the pre-elemental loot is to encourage the use of this content. For an example of poorly tuned encounters, Cazic-Thule and Innoruuk were both retuned at the same time. Since then Cazic has been killed by someone almost every single time he’s spawned, while Innoruuk is totally wasted. If these pre-elemental encounters don’t receive some adjustments, then that content is going to be wasted. From a development point of view, this is unacceptable. All of that content, and some complete zones like Torment, took a large chunk of developer time to design. Allowing that content to go unused puts more pressure on the developer team to design new content, and creates more overcrowding of the player base into the good risk/reward areas. So, a retune benefits both developers and players. Realistically, a retune would be fairly easy. Give a few of the pre-elemental mobs some items that are slight upgrades to luclin (ssra) gear (100 hp/mana + ft/veng). I’d also encourage an increase to the exp in Torment, and the addition of a couple of decent named spawns that drop usable gear (ala pof). Environmentally, Torment has amazing ambiance. The mobs are interesting and the layout is fun, but it needs something to get players into the zone. The exp should realistically be similar to crypt of decay.

03-31-2003, 02:27 PM	#39 (permalink)
Neric <insert funny comment here> Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,936 -2 Internets	PoP is basically a great project and a piss poor implementation. The designers created beautiful zones and the guys responsible for the contend totally messed it up because they put the raid-aspect over the regular gameplay instead of mixing it. The only exception seems to be Plane of Valor as the Aerin'Dar script fits in nicely. Take a look at the other zones. HoH B has no other purpose than killing MM. Nobody is hunting in Plane of Torment. CoD B is just the Bert script. Air is a pure raid zone. Earth is mostly raid zone. Tower of Sol Ro is a raid zone. Most of HoH A is locked with mobs casting feeblemind - gratz for wasting a zone whoever came up with that. PoJ, PoI, Nightmare and Disease are not worth the time since the exp on those light blue mobs sucks hardcore. So what is left? PoV, PoS, Tactics, BoT, a bit of Water and Fire if you got the flags for it. A pretty well designed exp-zone named Plane of War never made it to the live servers. Basically PoP could have been great, but it turned out to be boring because the nicely designed zones got totally wasted to support nothing but flag contend.