Shadowbane Gone Gold

[Tilien]

Beta testers don't always count. Have to worry about the l33t 12 year olds grabbing daddy's CC in walmart or some other crappy store so they and their friends can PK. Does it matter to a 12 year old (or a 40 year old with the mentality of a 12 year old) if they are disliked?

EQ has had TONNES of people who were HATED by 98% of their servers, yet most of them played until they finally got caught for the 100th time and SoE banned them. Alot just rerolled or stole another toon and went back the same old shit.

Unless SB is willing to ban griefers on a very short notice, then SB is going to have a griefer problem. I bet the SZ assholes (and bluebie fucks) are salavating about all the exploits they will be able to find to kill casual_player_29982 looking to try out a non-fantasy pvp game. I personally think, they have been just asking for every griefer who ever griefed in a mmog to log on and show off their l33t talents.

PL'ing twinks to high levels as PK fodder. Guilds of assholes purposely going after casual guilds hometowns.

Then again, I've hated PvP since UO. Nothing like naked wizards following you around waiting for you to lag out or groups of them camping the gateway to a city to PK you as you come back laden with treasure. Wasn't so bad once you made friends and got higher levels, but how many people will say "fuck it" before they ever get to that level?

[Ukerric]

Originally posted by Iannis
the wacky nerf pendulem of DA was not fun, because you had to endure their shitty PvE in order to be viable in Player Killing.

That's the chief problem.

PvP and PvE don't mix. Try to do a game that has both, and you have major problems.

Being forced to endure PvE (read "level") to go and PvP is bad.

Being forced to endure PvP (read "being ganked") while you're doing PvE is bad.

The frontier thing in DAoC reduced the 2nd part. It did not do anything about the 1st part.

[Iannis]

Originally posted by Your Hero
I'm 100% sure you were the person getting griefed.

It is actually quite fun to grief because you get a reaction out of people like your little spurt just now.

99% of the time when playing on SZ, if you are polite and ask for a loot and scoot you won't get griefed. If you tweak off and start calling people fags, etc they will cc you.

N00B [/b]

I pretty much was. I loved PK muds, but I could not stand the tards who would just run through and pwn j00 suxxor for no reason besides to make you post "XXX is a fag" on messageboards. (DA had a similar problem in the early stages...haven't looked at those boards since then though =)). The first server I started on was RZ when it was the only red...my only fond memory of EQ pvp was a ridiculous chase through Gfay(which i didn't know at all) with a dwarf rogue who was actually a good rp'er, and was extending the fight because it was fun =) I never touched SZ, but I had a few good friends who were Flowers of Happiness members over there. (kind of funny, since they were supposed to be the "griefer" pks.) Funny guys...I think they just realized eq pvp was a joke, so they had fun with it. hehe

I was very, VERY quickly driven away by grief PK in UO. I don't know how anyone could stand playing that game. Then again, since they eased up on that stupidity, it was obvious most people WEREN'T paying so someone could get their jollies..

[Dr. Funkenstein]

Does it matter to a 12 year old (or a 40 year old with the mentality of a 12 year old) if they are disliked?

It all depends on the society of the game. That 12 year old would get frustrated and bored quickly if the majority of the game's society "griefed" him for being a griefer. If it's a guild of 12 year old griefers put together to provide strength in their griefing, then they aren't really griefers...more like an evil society bent on causing havoc. Society can get together to set down this evil society and bring peace to the land.

What I'm saying is, if a game is designed from the ground up with PvP as it's focus (which SB is) then checks and balances can be thoroughly incorporated into the system. Rewards and punishments can be effectively distributed, both by the game itself and the society created by the players, to add to these checks and balances.

If you don't want to be griefed, band together with the hundreds of others that also don't want to be griefed. If you want to grief, band together with the hundreds of others that want to grief.

Blah...too long.

Anyway. I'm excited about SB. Hopefully it works well enough in the first 2 to 6 months so that people stick around long enough to enjoy it when it's finished

[NolwenSolRo]

I dont know how it'll be in final, however in beta this is what happens to shit talking griefer guilds



and the single greifers are usually killed, over, and over, and over, and over... by other players.

r30s are the Rolling 30's the core membership of which is made up of Sinister (a guild on rallos i believe) and the guild I am a member of currently.

For an example of the time invested here that me and my guildmates destroyed (yah can't see em in that pic because they're on the other side of town mopping up shit it takes around 2.5 weeks and 20 or 30 million gold (prolly, just guessing from my expierince with city management, which is some, but not as much as city architects, etc..) to build the city, rank up all the buildings, merchants, and trainers, and for all the building upkeep costs, hireling salaries, etc. This guild, however, is pretty persistant and I don't think many of them quit when we destroyed their town, but its not unheard of for entire guilds to quit beta because their town was destroyed (happened this beta build in fact, i believe, to a guild called Nex Imperium)

Griefers don't last in SB beta, however, it may be different in final. Also as far as the leveling treadmill goes. A power gamer can get level 59 ( the last level, currently, that you recieve skill points and attribute points) in about 4 to 5 days max. However I'd say in final it'll be made a little slower, but nowhere near EQ levels.

Yes you get PK'ed while exp'ing, its part of the game, and you get used to it, but in beta it really doesn't happen much. A guild usuall protects their hunting grounds, groups are 10 strong, and soloing doesn't happen too much. So getting your whole group ganked by a couple people? Won't happen much in this game. However, this game all but forces you to be a member of a player run guild, which is nice (at level 20 you get basically booted of the newbie island, or rather you go errant, which means you respawn at basically random locations, which are called ruins, all around the map, the same happens at level 35 in the GM run cities, and you can't repledge to them. The GM run cities are possible to get to, however the "newbie" island is impossible to get to past level 20, once you're off of it, which could happen the next time you die, PvP is not part of the newbie island)

[Xenox]

I hope SB does well simply so it keeps Verant on their fucking toes. Hopefully they'll have to put a little more thought and effort into EQ now that there is a serious competitor out there, instead of charging $20 for expansions that give more bank space and let you play Frogloks.

[Iannis]

oh god, the same Sinister that was on Morell-Thule? those ubah l33t fucktards are going to be playing SB?

nm, i just lost interest...

[Tortoise]

(or a 40 year old with the mentality of a 12 year old)

Sam da fuckin' man?

[Worfless]

good guess, but sam is 50 and has the intellect of a four year old

[Iannis]

but 4 year olds haven't banged over 100 hookers. Sam da motherfuckin man defies all generalizations

[Your Hero]

Not to mention he can stay hard for 200+ min.

[Worfless]

maybe with some sort of steel casing or wooden sling, just definitely not on his own

i'm also suspecting the use of viagra, but further reasearch has been halted because its just gross to think of sam that way

[NolwenSolRo]

The same Sinister led by Bone Dancer.. whether or not that was the one on M-T I dunno.

[Plan9]

Yeah Nolwen, I just join r30...2 days ago. Course I only started playing the beta 5 days ago =) What siege was that? only one I've attended was the one 2 days agao when we wiped out LoD, heh. Fun stuff.

Name is Jules in game

[Bazael]

Man - never thought I'd see the name sinister again.

I remember them from Morell-Thule too, back in the RA vs CoTU/SiN days.


Bone Dancer - Bone sounds familiar, I think he played a barb rogue named Razir. Also was Xune, Marle, Jaxon, Ceps/Spec.

Way oldschool. Last I heard was they quit eq mainly after we had a huge fall out, most played Counterstrike for awhile, and some played DaoC. I remember them always talking about shadowbane though. Shadowbane was gonna be their place to really shine. Looks like they accomplished that.

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