Rant: Euroguilds and cockblocking - Page 8

Malakriss · 01-21-2003, 01:30 PM

Forgive me for not making a huge bash and flame in responses to all this but I'm busy watching the spanish/german guilds on Solusek Ro going around killing all the spawns from Kunark -> PoP (it's 3:25pm EST here) while 75% + of the "americans"are at work.

Anyone notice how just about all of these european guilds have every single member on /role as well, prolly so people don't figure out how many things they killing.

Iannis · 01-21-2003, 02:26 PM

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Originally posted by Apokk Berzerk
glad that's fun for you, not me, drove me to insanity and eventually quit entirely. Every day It was like "oh crap what kinds of flames are going to show up on the board today?"

Who needs that crap, it's something EQ can do without.

Reading flames were much more fun than playing to me. Raiding was a job, but at least it was a competitive one. Keeping people at the top of their skills...a group with members of that guild ASSURED you had people who knew their shit. When I saw that merged guild it was full of half-sleeping people, or multi-boxxers, who began to just get the "zerg dps"(ooh, i used an kreugan phrase!) to win =\ ...

It's probably why I still troll EQ message boards but despise the game itself.

Zorg · 01-22-2003, 07:39 AM

The problem is obvious.

The solution is simple.

Many raid mobs already have a 4 hour spawn randomizer. Change it to twelve. Add a twelve hour randomizer to respawn times on raid-level mobs as well.

It's absolutely ridiculous that the only possible way my guild is ever going to kill Cursed again is a server crash.

On a slightly related rant, things like this really get to me and the way EQ is being run at the moment. Off the top of my head, I can think of a dozen obvious issues that 99% of players can agree that need to be fixed, and that could be fixed easily. I know people constantly /feedback and post on messageboards about them. But SoE does nothing. Why? Are they simply horribly out of touch with their customers? Is it just plain laziness?

Ninan · 01-22-2003, 08:21 AM

Instead of bashing and whining here about Euro's and foreigners having the huge advantage in mob spawns, take a look at Veeshan home of FOH and a ton of japanese and Euro players.

Seems to me FoH is US time guild leading the way followed by Cestus Dei ( not sure if Valhall has gotten to the elemental planes yet) but basically on a server with a huge foreign population, it's still US based time guilds leading the way.

If you have a problem with cockblocking or more to the point your own inability to compete, then fucking move or server transfer. apply to other guilds on other servers. Or better yet quit EQ altogether and go enjoy real life for a change.

Good luck,

Ninan

Shadowfrost · 01-22-2003, 11:13 AM

that the American anti-Euro whiners could all have an American Star Spangled server all for themselves. Then they could blame their lack of achievement in the game on someone else.

The American Star Spangled server would not permit students or Americans who work nights to play on it either. If you want to play on the server you must have a full-time job and may not arrive home before 6pm E.S.T. in order to ensure that everyone has an equal chance.

I hope you all have a good time over there in the A.S.S., we'll be getting on with the game...

Apokk Berzerk · 01-22-2003, 11:58 AM

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Originally posted by Ninan
Instead of bashing and whining here about Euro's and foreigners having the huge advantage in mob spawns, take a look at Veeshan home of FOH and a ton of japanese and Euro players.

Seems to me FoH is US time guild leading the way followed by Cestus Dei ( not sure if Valhall has gotten to the elemental planes yet) but basically on a server with a huge foreign population, it's still US based time guilds leading the way.

If you have a problem with cockblocking or more to the point your own inability to compete, then fucking move or server transfer. apply to other guilds on other servers. Or better yet quit EQ altogether and go enjoy real life for a change.

Good luck,

Ninan

I don't quite agree with you on some points. While yes on Veeshan and most other servers US guilds lead the way, that does not directly translate into timezone advantage. You have to understand EQ was initially relased in north america and the US players became organized first, not to mention they had 10 times the player base to build upon. Although in recent expansions the euro countries have picked up much of the slack, gotten larger player bases and are able to compete with the old US guilds. This is when the spawn timezone issues really come into play, only in the past year or two.

I can guarantee if these giant US guilds didn't have such a headstart, things would be very different, and in fact they are for several servers at this time already.

For the first 2 or 3 years in EQ, many of the US guilds could trample on a mob whenever they wanted to. Now this isn't the case, nothing can be planned as content is highly contested. Except the top end stuff which the top US guilds can maintain their edge in most cases.

Now I am not whining as I could care less about high end content in EQ cause i'm done with it, I am merely recognizing the problem, and yes it does exist IMHO and It simply cannot be dismissed by dick waving.

Help · 01-23-2003, 03:36 PM

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Originally posted by Malakriss
Forgive me for not making a huge bash and flame in responses to all this but I'm busy watching the spanish/german guilds on Solusek Ro going around killing all the spawns from Kunark -> PoP (it's 3:25pm EST here) while 75% + of the "americans"are at work.

Anyone notice how just about all of these european guilds have every single member on /role as well, prolly so people don't figure out how many things they killing.

Forgive me for not making a huge bash and flame in responses to all this but I'm busy watching the american/japanese guilds on Veeshan going around killing all the spawns from Kunark -> PoP (it's 3:25pm CET here) while 75% + of the "euros" are at work

Anyone notice how just about all of these american guilds have every single member on /role as well, prolly so people don't figure out how many things they killing.

Galarian Karana · 01-23-2003, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Instead of bashing and whining here about Euro's and foreigners having the huge advantage in mob spawns, take a look at Veeshan home of FOH and a ton of japanese and Euro players.

Seems to me FoH is US time guild leading the way followed by Cestus Dei ( not sure if Valhall has gotten to the elemental planes yet) but basically on a server with a huge foreign population, it's still US based time guilds leading the way.

If you have a problem with cockblocking or more to the point your own inability to compete, then fucking move or server transfer. apply to other guilds on other servers. Or better yet quit EQ altogether and go enjoy real life for a change.

Good luck,

Ninan

You obviously never been on Karana :P

The top US guild(s) are just starting to farm Vex Thal atm, while imho, the top guild on the server (in terms of progression overall through EQ), Novae (euro guild), are just about elemental planes set. One problem has been endless blowing of Behemoth spawns on this server, to a point where it was almost vomit enducing. The prodominately blown Behemoth spawns have been done by asian and euro guilds, with only a few done by US :P

...and you can't really compare a server and guild like Veeshan and FoH to most other servers and guilds.

Brahmabull · 01-23-2003, 05:15 PM

Euro cock-blocking is really bad on Solusek Ro. Magna Charta, the best euro-guild on the server, finally killed Rallos Zek after trying for about a month. But instead of spending their time learning the new elemental planes, they spend most of their time back in Tactics killing or attempting to kill Rallos whenever he is up. They don't need the flags of course, they just keep killing him so no American guilds get the chance to learn him and beat him. It happened yet again today. Before Rallos, they did the same thing with Bertox.

Kan · 01-24-2003, 12:34 AM

how bout ya all grow some balls stop bitching bout a time zone and stfu, cry cry cry cry someone killed my mob im gonna go and rant on a board that belongs to a dif guild on a dif server to get some more attention, who the fuk cares if X Guild is from Euro or ANtarctica or fukin Mars they got there first killed it and now rejoice *cheer* yay....if u dont like a Euro guild or NZ or Aussie guild killing "your" American mobs (cause u know only USA can do something) then kill it yourself u whining bunch of fukin bitches.

Bear · 01-24-2003, 01:06 AM

of course they continue to kill RZ bramabull since he drops a nice sword and i am sure not all their tanks ahve it yet. thats not realy clockblocking isnt it?

Hinterdir <SolRo> · 01-24-2003, 02:05 AM

RZ has been up for weeks while MC was not even attempting him and has been up several days in the past weeks even though MC figured him out. There was plenty of time for BoR and PD to go try him and there will be plenty of time to do so in the future. Whining about them blocking RZ is truly ridiculous, the only people that were blocked out, were other europeans that could not farm the Pit with Rallos up. Stop crying moron.

BirgittePovar · 01-24-2003, 03:14 AM

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Originally posted by Zorg
On a slightly related rant, things like this really get to me and the way EQ is being run at the moment. Off the top of my head, I can think of a dozen obvious issues that 99% of players can agree that need to be fixed, and that could be fixed easily. I know people constantly /feedback and post on messageboards about them. But SoE does nothing. Why? Are they simply horribly out of touch with their customers? Is it just plain laziness?

You know, 99% of players would love it if they made all high end mobs spawn on a 60 minute timer too. The game would die within 2 months if they did this, but the players would still love it while they were still in the game.

The point being: The players do not want what's best for the game. Most are selfish whiny bastards with a severe "ME ME ME" attitude. This thread is a good case in point.

larseny316 · 01-24-2003, 03:30 AM

The reason top American guilds like AL and FoH are ahead of their foreign counterparts is the huge lead they have. Whenever expansion comes out they are basically able to skip half of it (from a power PoV). Then once they reach the high level zone they get to farm it for 6 months and make sure that their members are equipped to deal with the next expansion. This also means the number 2 guild on the server will be having scraps. Its not like FoH is intentionally screwing over the other guild, but what else are they gonna kill?

I personally think that random spawn times just need to be on key advancement mobs (Emporer, Flag Mobs, etc) I don't mind losing loot to TJ or FR on MM (we've killed emp, but never seen cursed), theres always something else for us to kill for loot of some kind. But it sort of sucks when we need Flag or Key XXX and only Mob Y can give it to us, and other guilds are killing Y for its loot.

I'm sort of curious if any American guild has considered moving to the Euro servers, wouldn't you end up with the same sort of advantage there? (I havn't done the actualy timezone math)

Hinterdir <SolRo> · 01-24-2003, 07:23 AM

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Originally posted by larseny316
I'm sort of curious if any American guild has considered moving to the Euro servers, wouldn't you end up with the same sort of advantage there? (I havn't done the actualy timezone math)

I'll do that for you in a simple fashion:
the Time Zone advantage lies therin that European guilds have a up to 12 hour gap after the US guilds go to sleep, where mobs can spawn and stay up uncontested until European raiding times begin (if there is no Asian guild of course)

to sum it up:
US guilds would have that advantage over Asians on a Server with no European Population
Asian guilds would have that advantage over Europeans on a Server with no US Population
European guilds have that advantage over US on a Server with no Asian population.
US can not get that advantage over Europeans.
Europeans can not get that advantage over Asians.
Asians can not get that advantage over US.

Moving to a European Server would do jack for an US guild. They'd need an Asian Server.

Solving the problem actualy only would require the monitoring of the Server Population and tweaking spawntimes to vary between the !populated! timezones, not making them random
OR
seperating Timezones by moving all Asians / Europeans / US to their own Servers.

01-22-2003, 11:13 AM	#110 (permalink)
Shadowfrost Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 27 -1 Internets	I wish that the American anti-Euro whiners could all have an American Star Spangled server all for themselves. Then they could blame their lack of achievement in the game on someone else. The American Star Spangled server would not permit students or Americans who work nights to play on it either. If you want to play on the server you must have a full-time job and may not arrive home before 6pm E.S.T. in order to ensure that everyone has an equal chance. I hope you all have a good time over there in the A.S.S., we'll be getting on with the game...

01-24-2003, 03:30 AM	#119 (permalink)
larseny316 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 304 +0 Internets	Re: The reason top American guilds like AL and FoH are ahead of their foreign counterparts is the huge lead they have. Whenever expansion comes out they are basically able to skip half of it (from a power PoV). Then once they reach the high level zone they get to farm it for 6 months and make sure that their members are equipped to deal with the next expansion. This also means the number 2 guild on the server will be having scraps. Its not like FoH is intentionally screwing over the other guild, but what else are they gonna kill? I personally think that random spawn times just need to be on key advancement mobs (Emporer, Flag Mobs, etc) I don't mind losing loot to TJ or FR on MM (we've killed emp, but never seen cursed), theres always something else for us to kill for loot of some kind. But it sort of sucks when we need Flag or Key XXX and only Mob Y can give it to us, and other guilds are killing Y for its loot. I'm sort of curious if any American guild has considered moving to the Euro servers, wouldn't you end up with the same sort of advantage there? (I havn't done the actualy timezone math)

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01-21-2003, 01:30 PM	#106 (permalink)
Malakriss Your lack of intelligence is an insult to humanity. Get a fucking clue Join Date: May 2002 Location: Obviousville Posts: 3,203	Forgive me for not making a huge bash and flame in responses to all this but I'm busy watching the spanish/german guilds on Solusek Ro going around killing all the spawns from Kunark -> PoP (it's 3:25pm EST here) while 75% + of the "americans"are at work. Anyone notice how just about all of these european guilds have every single member on /role as well, prolly so people don't figure out how many things they killing.

01-22-2003, 07:39 AM	#108 (permalink)
Zorg Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 37 -1 Internets	The problem is obvious. The solution is simple. Many raid mobs already have a 4 hour spawn randomizer. Change it to twelve. Add a twelve hour randomizer to respawn times on raid-level mobs as well. It's absolutely ridiculous that the only possible way my guild is ever going to kill Cursed again is a server crash. On a slightly related rant, things like this really get to me and the way EQ is being run at the moment. Off the top of my head, I can think of a dozen obvious issues that 99% of players can agree that need to be fixed, and that could be fixed easily. I know people constantly /feedback and post on messageboards about them. But SoE does nothing. Why? Are they simply horribly out of touch with their customers? Is it just plain laziness?

01-22-2003, 08:21 AM	#109 (permalink)
Ninan Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 61 -1 Internets	Instead of bashing and whining here about Euro's and foreigners having the huge advantage in mob spawns, take a look at Veeshan home of FOH and a ton of japanese and Euro players. Seems to me FoH is US time guild leading the way followed by Cestus Dei ( not sure if Valhall has gotten to the elemental planes yet) but basically on a server with a huge foreign population, it's still US based time guilds leading the way. If you have a problem with cockblocking or more to the point your own inability to compete, then fucking move or server transfer. apply to other guilds on other servers. Or better yet quit EQ altogether and go enjoy real life for a change. Good luck, Ninan

01-23-2003, 05:15 PM	#114 (permalink)
Brahmabull Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Monterey Posts: 5 -1 Internets	Euro cock-blocking is really bad on Solusek Ro. Magna Charta, the best euro-guild on the server, finally killed Rallos Zek after trying for about a month. But instead of spending their time learning the new elemental planes, they spend most of their time back in Tactics killing or attempting to kill Rallos whenever he is up. They don't need the flags of course, they just keep killing him so no American guilds get the chance to learn him and beat him. It happened yet again today. Before Rallos, they did the same thing with Bertox.

01-24-2003, 12:34 AM	#115 (permalink)
Kan Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 1,909 +0 Internets	how bout ya all grow some balls stop bitching bout a time zone and stfu, cry cry cry cry someone killed my mob im gonna go and rant on a board that belongs to a dif guild on a dif server to get some more attention, who the fuk cares if X Guild is from Euro or ANtarctica or fukin Mars they got there first killed it and now rejoice cheer yay....if u dont like a Euro guild or NZ or Aussie guild killing "your" American mobs (cause u know only USA can do something) then kill it yourself u whining bunch of fukin bitches.

01-24-2003, 01:06 AM	#116 (permalink)
Bear Registered User Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 51 -1 Internets	of course they continue to kill RZ bramabull since he drops a nice sword and i am sure not all their tanks ahve it yet. thats not realy clockblocking isnt it?

01-24-2003, 02:05 AM	#117 (permalink)
Hinterdir <SolRo> Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 10 -1 Internets	RZ has been up for weeks while MC was not even attempting him and has been up several days in the past weeks even though MC figured him out. There was plenty of time for BoR and PD to go try him and there will be plenty of time to do so in the future. Whining about them blocking RZ is truly ridiculous, the only people that were blocked out, were other europeans that could not farm the Pit with Rallos up. Stop crying moron.