Rant: Euroguilds and cockblocking

[Samus Aran]

And your peener is surely bigger than mine, I know.

It sure is...

Wait... WTF IS A PEENER?

[HarrieFU]

This is my first post on the FoH board. I've read it a while, but never felt a need to post. I am a longstanding member of Club FU. I by no means have the right to represent Club FU. As a matter of fact noone but Pouty has that right. She's the guild leader fot those that do not know our guild or our server. Anyway here's my post:


EQ is a competitive game.

Competition often causes interpersonal conflict.

To get to see all of the content in this game, talent isnt the only issue. Competition also plays a HUGE factor. If there is one top guild on a server that guild will progress faster than a guild that competes with 3 other guilds.

Bristlebane has many talented guilds. We bicker.

BB has one guild in the elemental planes - AO

BB has one guild who's beaten everything before RZ - FU

BB has one guild who has beaten everyting up to Bertox - RoV

BB has one guild who has entered VT and is doing very well - CoL

We also have many other guilds who are progressing incredibly

All these guilds compete over limited resources and time zone is a distinct factor in this competition...assuming everyone has a 9 to 5 job. (this is a trend in RL)

There are 24 hours in a day. If a guild is able to utilize the hours that noone else on a server can, they have a huge edge.

I am VERY proud of what my guild, Club FU, has accomplished in this game. We have endured a lot, had great fun, and laugh enough to keep me loggin on every week. In my eyes we are the best guild, because its my guild and I love it.

Again this is just my oppinion. I do not represent Club FU or anyone but me... thanks for listening.

Harrie Fuzzybottom
Sexiest 65 Bearded Female Paladin on Bristlebane
Club FU
(iiioiii)

[Faith]

First of all, SOE owns this game, making it a japanese product, as the US corporation that developed it sold out to Sony, so please stfu regarding it being an american game ok? Sony own s this time sink, be happy they have not decided to center it around the asian players.

Second, EQ high end game do not cater the casual player, if you want to be on top you have to adapt (i.e. if these pixels are so important to you, change sleeping patterns or whatever).

Third, If you think its fun to have your evenings ruined by patch, emergency patch, patch for the emergency patch....oh bed time!, I suggest you petition SOE to put patches on US western time 12:00-16:00 or something, then maybe you can get a chance to play around 21:00

To me the original post reads;

Blah blah blah I have a right to play the end game because Im special blah blah blah blah life is not fair blah blah blah I want to be in the top guild but because some space/time fluxation and subspace distortion field we cant plan our play hours despite being uber blah blah blah blah .

If its so damn important to you, adapt to the reality, unless you played since beta or your unemployed you will not be the badest kid on the block, kill the stuff thats up and try to remember that this is a game and is here to be enjoyed. Its not a licence to whine like children when you realize that mum and dad lied and the universe just dont give a fuck about you.

[Dolalin]

Why fix time-zone or mob scarcity issues? It keeps the peons fighting amongst themselves instead of against the game company.

[Birdgitte Borealis]

Harrie, thank you. The intent of my post is not to whine and complain about BB's problems. It's to point out an alarming trend on every server. There's way too much competition now and not enough content. Furthermore, by forcing a guild to follow a single path to actually get anywhere, they have created numerous bottlenecks that some people can and DO take advantage of. Maybe people aren't blocking us purposefully, but the fact of the matter is, it's happening. The opportunity to block anybody from any of the content should never have been allowed to exist in the first place. I blame shitty game design more than I do human nature. Whether we like it or not, time zone advantages DO exist... be it a US timezone, a European timezone, a Japanese timezone, or whatever.

So, what's the answer? What can be done to fix it? It's too late to go back and change existing content, but what about future expansions? I'm not trying to whine and complain. Perhaps my original post didn't convey my concerns well enough. What I'm looking for is actual constructive discussion about the existing problem and what can be done about it.

[Liz]

Originally posted by Birdgitte Borealis
by forcing a guild to follow a single path to actually get anywhere, they have created numerous bottlenecks that some people can and DO take advantage of.

You seem to be forgetting this is the game of eq, cfu just didn't seem to minds so much when it was the other way around...

Bottlenecks: Kunark = VP, Velious = ST, Luclin = VT

I'm sure the guy that wants rift dropping emps spawning daily is going to chime in any moment now...

[Bramyanea]

do you still wear a shaded silk robe cuz it looks like an st shroud

[EllessarBard]

Multiple Paths to Content. Imagine if the power source for the VT key dropped in Inner Acrilyia off the boss there, as well as off the Emperor. The area both isolated 'raid' areas. Both require keys that are a pain in the ass to get... and require a high level raiding guild to focus on them. PoP doesn't have a good analogy... but thats one idea.

I like the idea of 'rare' spawn mobs. Rather than being on a timer, if you want RZ to spawn you spend time clearing the place holders. If you spend 4 hours clearing... you have as much chance for it to spawn as the next guild in line. It'd require a reworking of the exp group vs. raid thing dichotomy... but maybe that *should* be changed.

Maybe it could be something like an Arx key, where by zoning in with the (consumable) key, spawns Seru.

Less keys, and more loot of random mobs. ToV was a fantastic zone generally... the loot people were after was a drop off random stuff in the zone. It was cleanly split into different raiding areas. PoG was a fantastic raiding zone... same basic idea. Named are guaranteed drops... but not the only source. Imagine if the PoG named were just rare spawns... that'd be just a darn cool zone. You couldn't just walk around and pop named... you'd have to work for them.

[heugel]

... and then I'll shut up.

1) This thread became pretty boring once the BB dirt started flying around. Keeping shit anonymous is way more entertaining.

2) SoE has a very simple business plan. They find the people with money, and they take it. And while they do occasionally make major adjustments to the game (eg. Manaburn, modrod, etc.,) you can be damn sure that those adjustments are NOT being made to "help" any group or guild progress. I mean, what do you think happens when someone "beats the game"? They sure as fuck don't keep playing for the hell of it. So your bitching about bottlenecks will do no good at all.

Well, maybe 3 expansions from now, you might get "ragefire" like treatment when RZ is about as trivial as Venril Sathir.

3) I cannot believe the amount of whining that goes on about shit like this. On every board I visit, it's almost like I'm guaranteed to see someone complaining about "cockblocking" and "play-nice" and "random spawns", and how it's hurting their ability to enjoy the game.

FUCK THAT LOAD OF BULLSHIT

If your guild wants to participate in the high end game, then you've got a choice. You can compete, or you can get smoked - it's that simple. If you're content with picking up the scraps, leftover by the people who want to be the best, then more power to you. But if you want to compete, then buckle your fucking chinstrap and get in the game already.

Our server has one guild who EVERYONE hates. They've used every trick in the book to bully their way into the position they're in now. And do you know why? Because no one does SHIT ABOUT IT. Everyone thinks these guys should roll over and let them "share", because it's the right thing to do.

Once again, FUCK THAT LOAD OF BULLSHIT

Sometimes you have to fight fire with fire. If you're gonna compete, get off your ass and do whatever it takes to make shit dead. If you can do it peacefully with your rivals, then good. If not, fuck it, you do what you have to do. You don't beat the school bully by telling the teacher. You beat him by whipping his ass.

That's all

[zaph0dd]

Would this be a good thread to advertise my Pre-nerf Fungi tunic for sale on BB?

On a serious note, I for one wish key named/flag mobs/zones whatever etc were triggerable by some controlled Guild systerm so everyone could be happy. Its not fun getting steamrolled by some cockmonsters, its even less fun to get trained by TWO sets of guilds trying to pass each other to reach a named because it spawned 30 seconds previously.

Arf Arf.

[djgonzo]

Bird, you are a dumb fuck. Club Fu has blocked access in every expansion except PoP. You look like a whiny little bitch b/c you can't take your own medicine. Please kill yourself.

[djgonzo]

double posts sucks.

[Birdgitte Borealis]

Originally posted by EllessarBard
Multiple Paths to Content. Imagine if the power source for the VT key dropped in Inner Acrilyia off the boss there, as well as off the Emperor. The area both isolated 'raid' areas. Both require keys that are a pain in the ass to get... and require a high level raiding guild to focus on them. PoP doesn't have a good analogy... but thats one idea.

I like the idea of 'rare' spawn mobs. Rather than being on a timer, if you want RZ to spawn you spend time clearing the place holders. If you spend 4 hours clearing... you have as much chance for it to spawn as the next guild in line. It'd require a reworking of the exp group vs. raid thing dichotomy... but maybe that *should* be changed.

Maybe it could be something like an Arx key, where by zoning in with the (consumable) key, spawns Seru.

Less keys, and more loot of random mobs. ToV was a fantastic zone generally... the loot people were after was a drop off random stuff in the zone. It was cleanly split into different raiding areas. PoG was a fantastic raiding zone... same basic idea. Named are guaranteed drops... but not the only source. Imagine if the PoG named were just rare spawns... that'd be just a darn cool zone. You couldn't just walk around and pop named... you'd have to work for them.

Those are some pretty good ideas. Imagine what it would be like if the trigger mob for the Bertox event were a rare spawn that could spawn from the death of any trash mob in the zone. (Sorta like the AC in SRo) That kind of thing would neutralize the whole time zone factor. You could have several guilds in there at one time killing PHs hoping the next spawn would spawn the trigger mob for them. It wouldn't be about time zone advantage then, It would be about the luck of the draw.

[Talenvor]

nm

[djgonzo]

lol. yes you do have a bad memory.