Avatar on Pure Melee Elemental BPs - Disappointing

Core · 01-07-2003, 02:54 PM

The effect that is currently on the pure melee elemental bp's is now known to be avatar, 6 second cast time.

At first glance, that seems great, but as Lucy shows, the effect is actually the version of avatar that primal weapons proc. That means it's limited by the 250 cap on innate item +ATK effects.

At the level of the game where these BP's would be accessible, *many* melee class characters already have over 150 in +ATK, some few are even coming close to hitting the 250 cap. And as these people collect more and more high end PoP gear, more and more will actually be hitting the 250 +ATK cap.

For this reason, the effect on the melee BP's is quite disappointing. Given the other armor upgrades of my choice over the course of the next few months, the effect will be absolutely useless to me, even in xp groups.

The fix is quite simple. Rather than using the same version of avatar that is used for primal weapons, use the same version of avatar that is cast by shamans as the effect on these bps.

Elaen--Emarr · 01-07-2003, 02:57 PM

Another thing, with procs, you could maintain reasonable DPS while using primal weapons, with a 6 second cast and fight longer than 3 ( is that length of avatar?) minutes will mean you take some DPS hits, nothing big, but would be better to use the proc from a sword because your DPS would be (i assume) higher

Kolle · 01-07-2003, 02:57 PM

it was a mistake to put avatar on those weapons to begin with.

you'll take your clicky avatar bp and like it.

Borzak · 01-07-2003, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kolle
it was a mistake to put avatar on those weapons to begin with.

you'll take your clicky avatar bp and like it.

And what percentage of melee who can obtain these BP's do you thinkg DON'T have access to a primal/prismatic? Zero.

The effect sucks no 2 ways about it.

Furor Planedefiler · 01-07-2003, 03:43 PM

a bunch of whiney children who have figured out a way to see stats on loot that is yet undiscovered whining about effects on items that are as of yet undiscovered.

You know, in MY fucking day, we didn't whine about items until we actually possessed them...

Shut the fuck up, all of you... Don't clutter up my board with five different threads on shit that even Miss. Cleo would be ashamed to bemoan.

And just a little note, WHAT IF - and OMGZ - WHAT IF - they increased the innate ATK cap by 100.

Wow, suddenly Avatar on those BPs is looking mighty goddamn good.

God I hate people....

Dietrich · 01-07-2003, 04:05 PM

There was nothing speculative about the Avatar effects.

The BPS are in game and people have them afaik.

DS

Destinae · 01-07-2003, 04:09 PM

It would look good if they raised the atk cap and lowered the cast time on the spell. Primal swap > that!

Kolle · 01-07-2003, 04:16 PM

Quote:

And what percentage of melee who can obtain these BP's do you thinkg DON'T have access to a primal/prismatic? Zero.

The effect sucks no 2 ways about it.

1. some don't, so you're wrong. /shrug

2. if you don't like avatar, don't use it. if a shaman casts it on you, click it off. problem solved.

Furor Planedefiler · 01-07-2003, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dietrich
There was nothing speculative about the Avatar effects.

The BPS are in game and people have them afaik.

DS

Then I'm sorry to say it, you don't know shit.

They are in game, yes - I'm sure Elemental BP molds are in game - probably in PoTime atm. Does any single person in game own an Elemental BP/Robe mold? No they do not.

How do I know? I play Everquest. Apparently you do not.

Divinefactor · 01-07-2003, 04:37 PM

Hi, I am a long time reader, first time caller and i would like to say that this is a great show today, probably your best yet.

Maybe the caller was referring to ornate BP molds?

Love the show, keep it up
edit: sig is all messed up~

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Dietrich · 01-07-2003, 06:00 PM

You're right Furor.

My mistake, Found out a few minutes ago that all the BP / Robes were forcibly ripped out of the Item's database, which is where one servers uber guild got the info and missinformed the rest of us.

DS

Kreugen · 01-07-2003, 06:09 PM

L33t inf0z - the only reason why avatar is on those bp's is because the cap exists, and the people who can obtain them will likely be near it.

Of course, I don't know who the hell can hit 250 attack without primal avatar.

Dietrich · 01-07-2003, 06:55 PM

But it does also make things like the Regeneration arms make a bit more sense.

Asking Rogues for example to replace veng 10 arms for regen seemed odd if they were trying to minimize the need for primals (the rogues not vi). Item Atk based Avatar on the BP's makes it more likely that Veng Items can be swapped for other less atk based effects now.

DS

NightKid · 01-07-2003, 09:27 PM

Yeah all you whiny bitches. You have no right to complain and get things changed, clearly Furor and company must discover them first and be the first ones to bitch! Down with ripping items from the database!!!

ganthornx · 01-07-2003, 09:40 PM

would isntant click or say 1 or 2 sec cast really be that overpowered?

01-07-2003, 02:54 PM	#1 (permalink)
Core Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 4 +0 Internets	Avatar on Pure Melee Elemental BPs - Disappointing The effect that is currently on the pure melee elemental bp's is now known to be avatar, 6 second cast time. At first glance, that seems great, but as Lucy shows, the effect is actually the version of avatar that primal weapons proc. That means it's limited by the 250 cap on innate item +ATK effects. At the level of the game where these BP's would be accessible, many melee class characters already have over 150 in +ATK, some few are even coming close to hitting the 250 cap. And as these people collect more and more high end PoP gear, more and more will actually be hitting the 250 +ATK cap. For this reason, the effect on the melee BP's is quite disappointing. Given the other armor upgrades of my choice over the course of the next few months, the effect will be absolutely useless to me, even in xp groups. The fix is quite simple. Rather than using the same version of avatar that is used for primal weapons, use the same version of avatar that is cast by shamans as the effect on these bps.

01-07-2003, 02:57 PM	#2 (permalink)
Elaen--Emarr Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 60 -1 Internets	Another thing, with procs, you could maintain reasonable DPS while using primal weapons, with a 6 second cast and fight longer than 3 ( is that length of avatar?) minutes will mean you take some DPS hits, nothing big, but would be better to use the proc from a sword because your DPS would be (i assume) higher __________________ Elaen -- Retired -- EMarr

01-07-2003, 03:43 PM	#5 (permalink)
Furor Planedefiler A Relic Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,227 +15 Internets	Let me tell you what pisses me off a bunch of whiney children who have figured out a way to see stats on loot that is yet undiscovered whining about effects on items that are as of yet undiscovered. You know, in MY fucking day, we didn't whine about items until we actually possessed them... Shut the fuck up, all of you... Don't clutter up my board with five different threads on shit that even Miss. Cleo would be ashamed to bemoan. And just a little note, WHAT IF - and OMGZ - WHAT IF - they increased the innate ATK cap by 100. Wow, suddenly Avatar on those BPs is looking mighty goddamn good. God I hate people....

01-07-2003, 04:05 PM	#6 (permalink)
Dietrich Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 10 +0 Internets	Hmmm There was nothing speculative about the Avatar effects. The BPS are in game and people have them afaik. DS

01-07-2003, 04:37 PM	#10 (permalink)
Divinefactor Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: California Posts: 127	hi Hi, I am a long time reader, first time caller and i would like to say that this is a great show today, probably your best yet. Maybe the caller was referring to ornate BP molds? Love the show, keep it up edit: sig is all messed up~ Divinefactor Lifebringer Semi Retired Venerable High Priest of Tunare Faelagund tells the guild. "You are worthless Goodbye" You are no longer a member of Silvan Rangers. Fennin Ro Last edited by Divinefactor : 01-07-2003 at 04:51 PM.

01-07-2003, 02:57 PM	#3 (permalink)
Kolle Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 4,879 -25 Internets	it was a mistake to put avatar on those weapons to begin with. you'll take your clicky avatar bp and like it.

01-07-2003, 04:09 PM	#7 (permalink)
Destinae Fires of Heaven Officer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 248 +0 Internets	It would look good if they raised the atk cap and lowered the cast time on the spell. Primal swap > that!

01-07-2003, 06:00 PM	#11 (permalink)
Dietrich Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 10 +0 Internets	yups You're right Furor. My mistake, Found out a few minutes ago that all the BP / Robes were forcibly ripped out of the Item's database, which is where one servers uber guild got the info and missinformed the rest of us. DS

01-07-2003, 06:09 PM	#12 (permalink)
Kreugen Fires of Heaven Ancient Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,777 +44 Internets	L33t inf0z - the only reason why avatar is on those bp's is because the cap exists, and the people who can obtain them will likely be near it. Of course, I don't know who the hell can hit 250 attack without primal avatar.

01-07-2003, 06:55 PM	#13 (permalink)
Dietrich Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 10 +0 Internets	True, But it does also make things like the Regeneration arms make a bit more sense. Asking Rogues for example to replace veng 10 arms for regen seemed odd if they were trying to minimize the need for primals (the rogues not vi). Item Atk based Avatar on the BP's makes it more likely that Veng Items can be swapped for other less atk based effects now. DS

01-07-2003, 09:27 PM	#14 (permalink)
NightKid Good Defensive Practice Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Sokudo Posts: 115 -2 Internets	Yeah all you whiny bitches. You have no right to complain and get things changed, clearly Furor and company must discover them first and be the first ones to bitch! Down with ripping items from the database!!! __________________ Click here to read about Seethur, Professional Dumbass of Drinal.

01-07-2003, 09:40 PM	#15 (permalink)
ganthornx Sexy Bish Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 270 -1 Internets	would isntant click or say 1 or 2 sec cast really be that overpowered? __________________

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